Forum:Making better use of the Sitenotice
Yay! Another thread.
So MediaWiki:Sitenotice (well, actually [[MediaWiki:Community-corner/message]]) is rarely edited and also rarely interesting and/or important.
Take a look at these (as I type) current forums:
- Forum:Wikipedia-style reference popups
- Forum:Changing the wiki's favicon
- Forum:Sortable Table Bestiary for Members
- Forum:Money making guides, part 3
- Forum:Makeover for Infobox Monster (And this one thread from earlier this year)
So what we have:
- A global change that improves user-friendliness when reading
- A change to what we are, per se
- A reword of junky pages that could be much improved and maybe popular
- A revamp and redefining of some of the most popular pages
- A rather large change to the format of one of the most popular templates
Each of these (possibly) successful ideas is relatively large. I'm not here to argue their importance, though. I want to address how we're kinda undisclosed about these changes almost. We all agree that we're not trying to keep these changes secret, but we're not really trying to announce them either.
I'm not the average reader nor can I say I know how to define the average reader, but I doubt the average reader frequents the Yew Grove. Judging from the unsung anti-vandals whom I've seen and thanked, they don't even know about page histories. Still beside the point.
My proposal here is not a policy or anything; it's kind of a reminder perhaps.
- Should (I actually want to say "Could") we start using the sitenotice more to announce some of our larger changes in operation, etc.?
I found nothing regarding a similar proposal to mine when I did a quick search of the Yew Grove. Everything was more about announcing events or not announcing them or something. Thus, I've opted to leave it out.
I'm not saying announce everything; Forum:Automatic file fixing (Client side) and Forum:Reassigning Checkuser/DeleteRevision are completely irrelevant to our readers, but the five forums I linked I feel do pertain.
So this discussion is mostly geared toward expressing how we feel about explicating the more important changes that are relevant to our readers on the Sitenotice. I guess a reminder here as well that I'm not trying to propose any changes to what we do already with the sitenotice; just want a simple addition.
Frankly, I feel like adding to the sitenotice can be left to the discretion of the closing admin. It could be available upon request and any forum may have it noted in its proposal that the proposer would like it added to the sitenotice. The only real rule is it should be a change that's significant enough to be of interest to many users.
If you believe the sitenotice is already appropriate for these announcements per RS:BB or some other, simply support; I'd also like a discussion about when a sysop is warranted to make such a change. If you still wanna say BB, just mention it here ;).
Hi MolMan 16:34, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Comment - I think we should utilize this for new projects such as the sortable bestiary table, money-making guides, and perhaps changing the wiki's favicon (from the current examples). I don't think we should use it for every discussion we have to change something, simply because it would be annoying to keep up with and the majority of people who see the sitenotice would have no idea what's going on. I think we should use it to recruit editors to help with new projects, though. 18:16, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Comment - Perhaps make two headings in the site notice? "Events" and "Discussions"? We could also briefly summarise results of discussions after their passing. I.e. "The infobox for monsters has been updated. Take a look on any monster article!" Maybe a link to give feedback on the template's talk page? Or not. Whatever,19:13, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Comment - I agree it needs to be put to good use, but in it's current form the sitenotice isn't going to be seen by the vast majority of our users. If the sitenotice and main page shared a common template, then perhaps it would reach more viewers. Currently the true sitenotice is only found in monobook and there is something designed to resemble it on Special:Recentchanges. Whilst there are ways to implement something similar on all pages in Oasis, it either violates ToU by altering parts of the skin, or pushes down content space which isn't really something I want to see.
Disappointments aside, to build on Fswe's idea of headers, perhaps a Discussions header, for what we're currently discussing that might be of interest to the average user (technical/backend stuff isn't worth putting there), News/Information, for the results of said discussions and any other news we might have (e.g. RSW Family Photo, Clan info, etc), and Events, in the case we actually have an event sometime (it's been suggest an event for ages now). cqm 15:09, 12 Jun 2013 (UTC) (UTC)
- I agree that the sitenotice is not as prominent as it could be, but seeing how it's on the main page and the fact that just adding these to it is infinitely many times more disclosure than currently is enough for me to like to have them added. MolMan 15:14, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
- After a bit of digging I discovered [[MediaWiki:Community-corner/message]] is transcluded by MediaWiki:Recentchangestext and MediaWiki:Sitenotice. Despite it being annoyingly named, it would probably be easiest to replace Template:Wiki News with the community corner message to have a consistent message displayed across all three. There is a minor issue in that MediaWiki:Sitenotice relies on MediaWiki:Sitenotice id being altered for the sitenotice to display again for those who have dismissed it, but perhaps we can come up with a quick button to change it if that's the case (I'm not sure how many use monobook and wouldn't notice the message in recent changes)? I'd also be inclined to add a redirect, like MWI:SN, so it's easier to get to, but that's more personal preference. cqm 16:47, 13 Jun 2013 (UTC) (UTC)
Agree - I agree we need to use this, a lot of more people would vote on this kinda stuff, and some people might sign up to the wiki just to join the discussions and then become editors. I like Fswe1's idea about multiple headings, although we need to make sure we only include stuff that's interesting/relevant to the majority of the wiki's users. Out of the 5 you listed I'd definitely add 3,4,5 and this one. I wouldn't add number 1 or 2 as they aren't relevant for most people, assuming they'd even notice a change. 04ismailjj6 (talk) 15:36, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
- Afterthought - Maybe the News should go above the Contents, to make it more noticable to people, and so more people read it.04ismailjj6 (talk) 15:40, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
- The first forum is for our readers. It would definitely be up there. MolMan 19:15, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Closed - Dead discussion. If someone has a concrete proposal, they can create a separate forum. Suppa chuppa 17:23, June 24, 2013 (UTC)