Forum:Make UCS an essay

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This thread was archived on 13 February 2011 by Liquidhelium.

When I proposed that we rename IAR to UCS almost a year ago, I also watered down the "command" aspects of the policy so that it's more of a guideline than an actual policy. The whole gist of the policy is that common sense is generally a good guideline, and that it's unnecessary to blindly follow a policy in every case.

Well, having UCS as a policy is ironic in that sense, since adhering to it means that one is "blindly following" a policy that encourages people not to "blindly follow" policies. Furthermore, UCS and BB are sort of in the same boat: they both encourage editors to throw out unnecessary bureaucracy or regulations when doing so would benefit the wiki. Yet, BB is an essay, while UCS is a policy. Forum:UCS also applies here, in which it was decided that we should not force people to follow UCS in every case.

The main difference between a policy is and an essay is that a policy is a set of rules that usually brings some sort of punitive action should a breach occur, while an essay is a set of guidelines and only guidelines. UCS seems to fit much better as a guideline, and hence an essay, than a policy. --LiquidTalk 03:01, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nominator. --LiquidTalk 03:01, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I feel like UCS is a bit more important than BB. If UCS is no longer an official policy, it'll be interesting to see what happens when people try invoking it. Andrew talk 04:18, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Given the "weight of arguments" argument, I'd say that UCS would be no more or less powerful if it were an essay. Certainly, some users would assume it inapplicable, but those are the same users that comment per, inititate votes, and count supports as a measure of validity. Since a good majority of yew-groving wikians understand our system, I'm sure a rational appeal to UCS would not go unheard, and I expect irrational appeals to UCS would die down, though I wonder what sort of further irrational methods of argument would emerge. Repercussions... Leftiness 16:31, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - If people would ucs in the case of the example on the RS:UCS page, and UCS was not a policy, there might be problems with others about someone violating RS:3RR. This also applies for a lot of other cases, and to prevent this, we just need to make it clearer what UCS should be used at and where it shouldn't, not change it to an essay. I think the cases where UCS is abused will continue to happen if we make it an essay, but the cases where it is constructively used might give problems. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 17:47, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - If you think about it, it's silly having a policy about the policies we have. I think UCS has been increasingly overused in the wrong ways and an essay is more of the direction that UCS is trying to accomplish. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 09:07, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

So you think people will say "UCS, I am right" less if it is an essay? I don't think so, as people refer to BB quite often too. But as this is about not doing something that is a policy, which has to be followed, it should stay a policy because I don't think an essay overrides any policy there is. There might come confusions between people who UCS and others, and then it's good to have it a policy for referring to. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 12:31, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - UCS is the policy that says that one can override other policies if common sense requires it. Essays do not have the power to override policies. Therefore, If UCS becomes an essay, all policies will have to be followed to the letter. UCS can only exist as a policy, and it would be a paradox if it was in the form of an essay. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:31, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Steler, if we made it an essay, nobody would be able to ignore rules when they need to. Real Crazy 11:21, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Withdrawn - I'll admit I didn't think of Stelercus's point. --LiquidTalk 15:24, February 13, 2011 (UTC)