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This thread was archived on 11 June 2011 by Suppa chuppa.


Back in March, MarkvA proposed that we add a JavaScript slider to the main page to showcase things like articles and events. A few points were raised, such as it would divert attention from the other elements of the page, such as the wiki news.

However, I'm proposing that instead of adding a new part to the main page, we convert the wiki news into a slider. I have made a [[Portal:Main Page Example|rough example]] of what it could look like, completely subject to be improved of course, I am only proposing the idea.

It would bring a lot more attention to the things that go on in the wiki. A small little line of text is a lot easier to miss than a 673 x 410 image. It would attract new users to the community, and it would be a lot more effective in advertising for things like Wikifests and new Wiki Posts.

Discussion

Support - As proposer. — Enigma 18:45, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Many times the image in the slider has absolutely nothing to do with the text. I think that this will end up distracting users from the text. Additionally, it's not exactly easy to read the text against certain colors. Suppa chuppa Talk 18:53, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Those pictures have nothing to do with the news that is being shown, and having a 673 by 410 image there only shifts down the news and makes everything harder to see. Coupled with the fact that it looks terrible and you only see one news item at a time, I don't like this at all. ʞooɔ 18:55, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I love sliders and images and all that good stuff, but I don't think combining sliders and news would be a good idea. Some of our news won't even be able to have a useful/meaningful image. And what about news that doesn't have an article linked to it? Example: Note to all clan chat guests: the RuneScape Wiki's official clan chat has been renamed from RuneScape Wiki to RSW. Please make sure to join the new name when logging in! . There is no way to make a useful "Read more" link, or even add an image to the slider for it. It's just news. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 18:57, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - As far as "community building" goes, I think the target market is fundamentally different than long-time users of the community such as those posting in the Yew Grove. We're looking for information where we already expect it to be, and we don't want to put information on the front page in a fancy box that takes up more space than necessary because we already know that those events are going on. However, I expect that someone who isn't exactly certain what he's looking for, which I assert is just about anyone on the main page and the people whom we're targeting in community building, will cling to a fancy slider. In my opinion, it would certainly benefit community building in the ways described.

In regards to the pictures not matching the news, that's a small problem to fix. Look at Jagex's slider on the RuneScape homepage. It says "Behind The Scenes" in big, fancy letters, it shows the news in the expected place, and the image links to the new item's page. Remove the button to read more, and don't link to a page if the news item doesn't have a page to which we can link, as is the bit about a clan chat channel. Look at Jagex's slider about the game bar. It's a screen shot, a custom button, the logo, and an unrelated image mashed together in an organized fashion with layers using something like GIMP. Using the current images in the rough draft and a few minutes using GIMP to basically duplicate the news content and place it over the picture neatly and in an attractive manner, we would have a slider as good as Jagex's, Their slider fulfills the purpose of attracting otherwise uninterested readers or they wouldn't be using it.

Also, I don't think any useful information is moved down an unacceptable amount. In my opinion, we shouldn't bother duplicating the RuneScape news, and we could remove the bit at the top about us being a wiki that anybody can edit with 17,000+ articles because our logo, our theme, and our obvious status as a wiki make that information redundant as well. Leftiness 03:25, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

You have a point about the images matching the news, but what about news that is simply one or two sentences that wouldn't have a "Read more here" link? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 03:28, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
See "Remove the button to read more [...]" in my second paragraph. Not providing a link from a slider item wouldn't be a problem if a "read more" button weren't making people expect more information. The image of a slider item without more information would simply not have a link, other slider items would have links, and that would be that. However, even in the case of changing the channel ID, I believe we could put a page together. For example, at least one person would like to know why we changed the name, and writing a paragraph about it would provide us a page for linking. Would they complain because there isn't enough information on that linked page? I doubt it. That's all the information there is, we think it's important to tell the community, and that is that. Leftiness 04:00, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
Oops, missed that part, sorry. (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:03, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Sliders are great, when they are used in an appropriate location. But using them to advertise the news isn't an appropriate way of using them. Where are we going to find a good 673x410 image moments after a new update? And worse, for updates on updates which haven't been release; what image do we put there? Speculative images where we arbitrarily guess what the content could be? Or perhaps a placeholder image. There is simply nothing we can do with graphics to represent unreleased content. 222 talk 06:28, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

We wouldn't have to find a 673x410 image. As I said, look at Jagex's. They created their images by putting together several images in an image manipulation tool like GIMP. Get a background image, put a fancy font on it, and put an unrelated but attractive image on it. It's straightforward enough. Leftiness 19:31, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - While I support the idea of having a slider on the main page, using it to show news just isn't the right spot for it, especially since the images are not relevant to what they are meant to be showing. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 07:10, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

The purpose isn't relevance. The purpose is making people notice a pretty picture, and that brings attention to news. Relevance may be appreciated if it's possible, but it certainly isn't necessary. Leftiness 19:31, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - After the fiasco with previous discussions on this topic at the beginning of this year, I do not support any kind of slider on the landing page. Let alone that most of our visits come from search engines that miss the main page, most of those that do visit the landing page are long time users. As per above, having images that don't have anything to do with the most current news isn't something that makes me want it to begin with. I'd be more inclined to add a Forums module rather than a slider at the moment to the main page. I know we need to change the main page once every so often, but this isn't the thing to do in my opinion. Ryan PM 18:01, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - per opposers. The slider makes it harder for people to view and read the news text. Smithing (talk | contribs) 15:07, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per all. Matt (t) 20:52, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Will not be implemented. Suppa chuppa Talk 08:50, June 11, 2011 (UTC)