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This is a continuation of the discussion started by Dayofswords [http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5082 here]. I won't copy and paste everything as it's quite long, but I will sum it up and add my own thoughts.

Basically, Dayofswords went into the clan chat to mention that an image was fake and all the responses he got were about how Mods can't be trusted, they're suck-ups, ban/mute-happy, etc. All he was trying to do was raise an issue about an image and everyone was focused on his crown, as if that somehow made him any different than the rest of us.

Later he rejoined the clan chat and noticed I was an admin, and explained what had happened earlier. I was shocked to see people telling me that I could not be trusted because I am a P-Mod and more people echoing that they don't trust P-Mods.

Now, I am not creating this discussion to even attempt to sway anyone's opinions about mods, although I find all these stereotypes and reasons for disliking mods to be ridiculous and without any legitimate reasoning, but I am trying to get the point across that treating us any differently in the clan chat or on the wiki is a violation of RS:UTP and RS:AEAE. That's all I really have to say. Frankly I am a bit disgusted at the moment. Andrew talk 05:09, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

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Should be treated equally. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:11, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I was present for the second conversation you mentioned, and I was unhappy to see people so rudely categorizing moderators, who are the "...champions of our community" to quote the RS site, as arrogant. To be honest, I have yet to find a player moderator who has been rude/cheating/lying/mass muting/sucking up, so I can fully see your point. I don't know if it makes any difference, but I think you're a great moderator and a great person, Andrew.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 05:15, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, was this the image you are referring to that started all of this? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:21, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I assume so, and I had to laugh at the attempt, since Ms Toxicity is an F-Mod and that post is clearly brown. Andrew talk 05:24, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
yep, i tried to tell them it was fake as the poster is fmod and will always have a green background, the pixels around the name have a green tone to them. I'm not entirely sure how the wiki all works but I went to the CC to tell a admin that it was fake, the admin shot down my comments on it as "like cops, you lie and just suck up to jagex"Dayofswords 05:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. Its laughably bad. And I say who cares if immature (and probably jealous) players think that player mods are bad? The fact that they're treating as a privilege something that really is more of a burden illustrates that they are not thinking clearly at all. Player mods are just normal players who have the type of personality to answer "yes" to the question "Would you like to play RuneScape and never be left alone?" I've had friends as player mods before and I've always treated them exactly as anyone else. I even broke rules (mostly language related, but I also ran some cabbage-picking bots) around them with no worries about it. I do consider most player mods to be untrustworthy, Andrew included (you sneaky sneak), but that's not because they're mods; its because I think most people in general are untrustworthy. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:31, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
That's fine, and you are of course entitled to your opinions, but I am just trying to get the point across that you don't have to be a dick to P-Mods on the wiki or in the clan chat. Andrew talk 05:34, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
How can I trust you that all player mods aren't just sock puppets of yours, used to generate confusion and mayhem? You are a player mod after all. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:36, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Oneos! OMG! Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:37, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
You caught me. I would have to say that Bonziiznob has been my most successful sockpuppet. Wink Andrew talk 05:43, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I'd like to point out that I said "I don't trust people just because they are p mods." I trust MANY player moderators and am friends with them. But I've always met some who are complete dicks. Therefore I can NOT just trust them purely because they are in Jagex's select group. HaloTalk 05:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

You are the victim of grammar, because your phrase can be taken like this: "I don't trust people just because they are p mods, just being a pmod can make me not trust them" or "I don't trust people just because they are p mods, they have to do more to earn my trust". Lol kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:41, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
You can think whatever you want about P-Mods, but that isn't what this discussion is about. Just treat Mods like you would treat anyone else. Andrew talk 05:43, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
I treat everyone equally and fairly until they give me a reason not to do so. HaloTalk 05:49, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not saying we always need to be trusted, but at a level of trust as any other, it's the complete rejection based on modship that i don't likeDayofswords 05:45, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
I don't reject mods. I think that most of them are probably fine, respectable people. I'm guess I'm saying there are people who ruin it for them, just like in any other group. HaloTalk 05:49, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
  • This discussion is a waste of time. Unless you are seeking sanctions against a particular person, all this thread amounts to is CC whining. You seem to be seeking no such sanctions, and have provided no evidence to support any. So other than being "disgusted", what substantive resolution do you seek here? To be honest, this thread comes off as whining from a PMod, and it's not going to change any behavior in the CC, much less opinions about PMods. Suggest immediate closure as a spectacular waste of time and genesis of negativity. (wszx) 06:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Whining, is that what you call it? Okay then. Andrew talk 06:07, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
May I ask what you are trying to accomplish with this thread then? HaloTalk 06:09, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Similar to the "no full protection for user pages" discussion, I am just trying to reconfirm these policies for situations like the one I mentioned. Andrew talk 06:12, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Well that policy was actually NOT being followed. I have seen nothing that shows that mods are being treated wrongly/unfairly/differently than anyone else. HaloTalk 06:13, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
The incidents in the clan chat earlier. Andrew talk 06:15, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Oh my good lord Jesus, Andrew, you were the one who kept crying about the same comment 20 minutes after it happened. Nobody was harassing you, you just refused to let it go. Grow up. Composite 4
Please be civil on the Yew Grove. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 06:18, July 20, 2010 (UTC) 
I'm going to give you this one and only warning. You will knock off the personal attacks or I will block you. Understood? Good. Don't edit this discussion if you have nothing constructive to contribute. Andrew talk 06:19, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
LMFAO, please get over your power trip. Andrew, do not threaten me over a stupid thing such as me informing you of what a child you are being. You post this thread with the intention of doing what? You are accomplishing nothing but venting about 2 comments which you refused to forget 20 minutes after it happened. You would not stop saying "Oh, I guess pmods are just evil suck ups" because you were obviously hurt so then you go and complain here? Talk about constructive eh? Please warn someone who cares. Composite 4
Andrew, if by incidents you mean Degen and I stating that we didn't trust P-mods, I'm just convinced you think you are being persecuted and you feel that you must bitch. Please give me reason to believe that it's NOT that, because that's what I want to believe. If that is this case however, please close this discussion (which in it's current state will solve nothing and create more problems). HaloTalk 06:26, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
RS:DDD. Andrew, I think that you are becoming irrational about this. I would suggest that you take a couple of minutes to cool off. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 06:42, July 20, 2010 (UTC) 
You will also notice that on the RS:DDD page it says that blatant flaming can be removed. That sure as hell is blatant flaming. I won't remove it again, but I will leave the blocks in place. This is ridiculous. Andrew talk 06:44, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
to this whole thing above, it's about the treatment of users, ignoring their status as a player mod or not . I'm not whining that it was directed at me, I'm disgusted that it would even come up from a community gathered around a wiki that is meant to be used, edited and improved by everyone without regard to status in the game, that my comments and opinions are belittled based on it. Dayofswords 07:30, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Question...? - Why was this picture brought up to the wiki in the first place? I'm quite curious how this all started from an image and from what I can see, has no relation to the wiki. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 06:02, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Pantheist87 uploaded that image and tried to put it in the article Leak but it was removed as a fake. He argued it and eventually it was proven difinitively that it was faked. User:Dayofswords is User:Evil1888's brother, so Evil got him to search the player mod forums for any evidence of the post and he found none. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:10, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
well, i just looked up the name at first and found it was a fmod from at least 2009, and that told me it was faked, there was no need to go futher, i later checked to see and nothing like that was posted by her. we dont even log surgeries, never have in the 3+ years i've been around. Dayofswords 06:16, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I also agree that we should not treat P-Mods disrespectfully just because they are a P-Mod. I think that general opinion might have only been strengthened in our community by past instances of P-Mod editors causing trouble. But if there is a P-Mod is being an absolute idiot, I will treat him like one, such as that one who banned me for humorously mimicking a merch clan spammer bot (Join GP Family ~~ Get Scammed today!). Final thing, this thread doesn't belong here, imho. The newly established CCF will do better. Chicken7 >talk 06:13, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't even realize that that was official now, but this isn't just about the clan chat. It is about P-Mod treatment on the wiki too. Andrew talk 06:14, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - (edit conflict x 7)I am shocked that the community feels that player moderators are liars and suck-ups. I have no doubt that some of them are (such as the ones in Gp Family insisting that you will make money), but I am also certain that there are pmods and fmods who are completely trustworthy. Frankly, I agree that this violates AEAE and UTP, but I don't know that there's much we can do to convince people that not all mods are liars; a warning would only encourage their distrust. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 06:16, July 20, 2010 (UTC) 

Edit after conflict #5: Also, should this be in RS:CCF? I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 06:16, July 20, 2010 (UTC) 
Edit after conflict #7: Andrew's right, this doesn't just apply to the CC. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 06:16, July 20, 2010 (UTC) 

Comment - Whatever your opinion, my view is that you have your say, but treat them as you would a fellow wikian. Rune battleaxe.png RangedwhipRune battleaxe.png 06:26, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - "Just treat Mods like you would treat anyone else." Exactly. And that means that the words of a player cannot solely be used to prove or disprove the legitimacy of an image, even if that player happens to have moderator status. Dtm142 06:24, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that makes perfect sense. As long as no one is saying, "You are wrong because you're a P-Mod," or anything like that, there shouldn't be any problems. Andrew talk 06:26, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Well, a way to disprove the image was to enter the mod forums, so in this case a pmod's word could disprove it. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:30, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
thing was i gave proof that it was fake that any player had access to or could see in the image, it was completely ignored as proof it was fake. i didnt mention anything that was pmod-only access needed. didnt claim i was right based on my modship but proof that was evident in the pictureDayofswords 06:35, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - a problem here is that someone is not going to take the time and edit this and blatantly say "i dont(or wouldnt, will not) trust PMods" and show a negative attribute of them as every thing is forever logged, but it was mentioned a few times by people in the CC even in front of me and Andrew, where nothing is loggedDayofswords 07:30, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Both Degen and I basically said that. And neither of us would lie and say we didn't. There is nothing wrong/against policy with stating that. I can't speak for Degen, but in my own view, I will consider all people equal unless they give me a reason not to do so. If this caused you to take issue with that I'm sorry, as it was not my intent. (Also, you might be surprised at what screenshots show up when discussions take place. I think some people practically have it on a rolling camera.) HaloTalk 07:37, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I myself do not trust a P-Mod anymore than I would trust another player. I will not go out of my way to be rude and hateful, unless they've done something in which that behavior will then be appropriate. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 07:33, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Mods that Lying, cheating, mass muters can be reported and their modship taken off of them. And if all the mods are like that wouldn't Jagex change the way they accept mods? Mods don't have too report everything or help someone or get immunity from reports, just like every normal player except they are given aids to help the community. Agent 22135 07:48, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I've been here much longer then I've had my crown, but it's true, people treat you differently with the crown. Hopefully the wiki will not join this group. We are strong community builders, not suck up's. We help Jagex build a safer game for you to enjoy..how is that a bad thing? Jealous people are really the only ones who voice a concern anyways. People who really don't give a crap or don't want it because they really don't want it generally don't fight the issue mods are bad, they arn't concerned enough with them in the first place to care to voice an opinion. I think if a rank is present and a user is saying these things, they should be warned then kicked if it continues on the bases of AEAE.

Bonziiznob Talk

15:41, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Saying what "things"? That's what I've been trying to understand the whole time. HaloTalk 16:03, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just adding my two cents in here - I'm of the mind that Halo is. I treat all users fairly until I'm given reason to not do so. I've ran into many helpful pMods, and I've ran into pMods that were annoying (in the Living Rock Caverns a week ago, a pMod was jokingly saying 'mute time lololol' - something I think shouldn't be joked about, regardless of status). I do think that we should have some civility in the CC - this includes people who have their differences/opinions about pMods, and pMods who feel they're being treated unfairly, as well. Forgot to sign my name, derp. Clean cog.png The Wretched Automaton TalkClean cog.png 16:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Closing This matter is not wiki related and as such does not belong here.--Degenret01 00:08, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Request to reopen - Does apply to both wiki and clan chat. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 00:56, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

How? It's just prejudice; there's nothing we can do or say that'll make them think otherwise... The Pandorica will open. 00:57, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
How does it not apply to both?..... Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 01:03, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Now that it's been reopened I will properly close it again. My point has been proven. Andrew talk 02:35, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I would like to have the last word. And it shall be: granular. (wszx) 02:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)