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In Forum:Logo and theme we decided that we would change the wiki theme and logo. Now, this discussion is to propose new themes with a matching logo that will be used as the default settings (in place of the current logo with Sapphire skin). To start things off, I have made a skin matching the French Wiki's logo, with a screenshot found here [1]. I understand the main page's colours would have to be changed to be a bit darker, but nothing too big. So, I propose we use the skin found at User:9the Enigma9/monaco.css to give the wiki a more RuneScapeish theme. When you wish to propose a new skin and logo, please make a new section so things don't get all messy in the main section.

Proposed themes

{| class="wikitable" !Author !Skin thumbnail !Skin full image !Skin code files !Logo |- |{{Signatures/9the_Enigma9}} |http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1813/thumbi.png |[http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5453/mainpagey.png full preview] |[[User:9the Enigma9/skins#Simple_RuneScape|monaco.css]] |http://images.wikia.com/runescape/fr/images/b/bc/Wiki.png |- |(various) |[[File:RuneScape Theme.png|200px]] |[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/a/ac/RuneScape_Theme.png full preview] |[[RuneScape:Theme/runescape.css|runescape.css]] |http://images.wikia.com/runescape/fr/images/b/bc/Wiki.png |- |[[User:Clv309|Christine]] |[[File:Endasil monaco screencap.jpg|200px]] |[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/6/62/Endasil_monaco_screencap.jpg full preview] |[[RuneScape:Theme/earth.css|earth.css]] |''N/A'' |- |{{Signatures/Supertech1}} |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3148/rswiki.png |- | {{Signatures/Simsarmy}} |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |[[File:Simplewikialogo.png|150px]] |- | {{Signatures/Rswfan}} |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae305/Googlethedog/Rswlogo-1.png |- | {{Signatures/Simsarmy}} |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |[[File:Detailedlogo.png|150px]] |- | {{Signatures/Simsarmy}} |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |''N/A'' |[[File:Detailedlogo2.png|150px]] |- | {{Signatures/2plus2equals4 Probably}} |http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/521/thumbskin.png |[http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7364/myskin.png full preview] |[[User:2+2=4. Probably/monaco.css|monaco.css]] |[[File:Wikilogorune.png|150px]] |}


To submit an additional theme, add another row to the table and add the following: your signature (using ~~~ only), a thumbnail (200 x 200 pixel max), a link to a full size image, a link to any applicable code pages (CSS or JS—no X/HTML), and a logo preview.

Discussion

Support - As nom. — Enigma 19:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - It would be more useful to make a screenshot of your version, instead of a link? Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 19:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Yesh! Screenshot for us lazy folk. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Its a direct link to the screenshot because its a ratther large image, if I put it here it would lag the heck out of you, just click the link. I'll put it right here for your convinience. [2]Enigma 20:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I misread your post. I thought your monaco.css was different than the French wiki's. In that case...

Support the logo, oppose the skin - The skin isn't more runescapeish, its just darker. Sure its got gray but also a lot of purple and sky blue, none of which are common colors in RuneScape. I like gray in the site notice and search bar. I personally would like to see varying shades of that to denote the different levels of heading, i.e. "RuenScape News" would be dark gray and "Featured news" would be a lighter gray, and so on in that fashion. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 20:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I added a table to this discussion so that we can easily keep track of all the theme submissions. I'm guessing that we will have several different themes that will be proposed and making sure they are easy to find in this potentially long discussion will be helpful. I also think that it will be helpful to display thumbnails of each theme in the table for ease of viewing. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 22:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Oppose logo, neutral on all skins - Am I the only one who finds it unbelievably cheesy to use another wiki's logo, whether we need or have permission or not? Am I also the only one to find it cheesy that it resembles the official RuneScape logo (actually, not just resembles, but is completely derived from)? To me, it makes it look like we're unoriginal, and we tried to copy Jagex. I'd want to showcase a logo that was made specificly for this site, that was a complete original that wasn't base off of anything else. Currently, that's what our logo is like.

I've loved earth.css ever since I saw it. Now, that is RuneScape-y. Sorry, Enigma, but I have to say that your skin differs too slightly from our current default skin to be RuneScape-looking. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

When I made the skin, i tryed my best to make it RuneScape looking yet keep it's simplicity, we arn't some silly fansite like Rune HQ that cares more about fashion than function. — Enigma 18:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Christine's logo It is alright but honestly it looks like something that i might find on a website a few years back and if we are going to change it we should be moving forward not the other way around. + It is kind of out of place with a lot of the other wikis that i have been to.

By the way: how are you guys making mach versions of the website, i would like to take a crack at it.

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Comment - Added screenshots for the runescape.css theme from RS:THEME. You might want to take a look at [[w:Help:Customizing_Monaco]] if you're looking for info on how to customize the skin using CSS. --Quarenon  Talk 03:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Support Enigma's design and logo, Oppose Christine and various design - The skins proposed thus far are far too brown....very hard on the eyes and a bit colorless. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 04:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Support Enigma's design, neutral on logo. - There are major aesthetic flaws in the other designs proposed so far. A small change in what I 'feel' is the better direction, is better than a large step in the opposing. Although the logo is from another wikia and is also using partial copies of the Runescape logo, I think that we can use it as a transitional phase until someone actually designs one that looks just as good, if not better. Zig 01:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


Full Support I do like the current theme, for various reasons. It's well thought-out, easy on the eyes, and there are no "bugs" (randomly overlapping elements, etc.) with the exception of the menu. However, I'm also a big fan of changing things up a bit, and it is true that users often care more about looks than content. I do not find it cheesy to use another wiki's logo; we are all one giant community, and we are all meant to share. What I do think is cheesy is our current logo. I mean, it's not horrible, but we have some nice graphic designers here—we can do better. ;)

There are a few I would like to point out before we switch to some fancy theme. Simplicity has one major advantage: no images. Seeing as this wiki is slow enough as it is, I would highly discourage the use of images in themes. If you need smooth visual effects, research jQuery, the HTML <canvas> element, and ExCanvas. jQuery and similar JavaScript frameworks can be used to create Flash-like effects. The canvas element provides a method of creating images during runtime using JavaScript, meaning faster loading times and easy-to-maintain images. ExCanvas provides a VML wrapper for Internet Explorer, which does not yet support the canvas element or SVG natively. Try to avoid padding for layout, especially in combination with borders; Internet Explorer can act funky in such situations. Using padding for text or relatively-aligned elements is fine.

Secondly, keep an eye on the layout. What works in one browser is likely to cause problems in another. Take, for example, our current menu. In Namoroka (Firefox 3.6a2pre, nightly build), sub-menus aren't aligned properly due to margin/padding CSS errors.

Finally, the text is key. In accordance with graphic design ethics, keep the text dark-on-light and sans-serif. Serif fonts look nice in print, but hinting/ClearType technology isn't as effective, resulting in a blurred appearance. Keep the line-height at around 1.1em. That will add some spacing between lines, so longer blocks of text won't look overwhelming. And of course, add large margins around text.

I'm working on an example theme that uses various modular jQuery/canvas elements. It'll mostly be for demonstration purposes, but anyone is welcome to steal any part of it once it's done. I already have a basic, animated menu working with a glass effect, though I have yet to make the sub menus fade in and out smoothly. You're welcome to give it a try; just copy the contents of my monaco.js to yours. All of the CSS is integrated into the JavaScript, as it has to override the CSS set by monaco's default JavaScript. No images, flash, etc. are used by the menu: all of the glossy buttons are created by JavaScript. Note that I have not yet added ExCanvas, so it will not work for Internet Explorer users. But I know none of you are crazy enough to use Internet Explorer... ;)

Supertech1 TCE 03:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Update - I forgot to mention that I plan on adding ajax support to the sample menu and all internal links, which will dramatically decrease the time it takes to load each page. On top of that, the already-strained Wikia servers will have fewer requests to deal with. Supertech1 TCE 03:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Update - I just added ajax support. All internal pages will now load without the entire page needing to reload. I am still working on IE support; my IE is being stupid right now (surprise, surprise), so I'll get to that later. It's doable, though. Supertech1 TCE 20:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment I thought I had already posted on this thread, perhaps wikia messed up or something because it definitely showed on this page at some point. Anyway. I am much more leaning towards the two other brownish themes than the first one. It hardly seems worth it to go though the whole effort and fanfare of a new theme and only change a couple of colours here and there. I was hoping for something much more drastic such as the second two options. I kinda agree that the brown is a little too much though, there is a huge colour pallet of browns ranging from deep and rich almost black colours all the way to butter milk and magnolia (I should know because i'm painting my dining room those colours at the moment and have spent ages at the Dulux paint matching desk). I'd like to see some brown themes with a much more varied use of colour. I'm not sure if its possible but it would be nice to change these images too http://images.wikia.com/common/releases_200908.2/skins/common/images/button_hr.png possibly with a few css tricks or something to better match the new theme. I'd like to have a play myself but my PC is still out of order at the moment and i've got no photoshop to play with :( --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 08:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I am neutral on the whole skin/logo issue but I would like to say that I tried out Supertech1's sidebar and it is awesome. One problem I have is sometimes when I click Yew Grove a pop up appears saying "RuneScape Wiki says: Yew Grove". I then have to refresh the page and click it again--Quest point hood.png Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape.png 14:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply - Eh, I probably forgot to take out one of my debug alerts. Just ignore that. ;) Supertech1 TCE 16:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
OK  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rs4life07 (talk) on 17:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC).
I found the alert and deleted it. It should only have appeared if you clicked a blank area on a link instead of the actual text link.
In addition, Internet Explorer support is now added, though I haven't tested it yet (using Fedora at the moment, since I'm traveling around in the city; I'll boot into Windows once I am back home and don't need Kismet). Supertech1 TCE 23:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Support for Enigma's logo and skin - I like the logo, which gives a nod to the RuneScape homepage, but I think that making the skin too similar to the RuneScape website will look unoriginal to new users of the website (I personally like the crisp, eyecatching look of Enigma's skin and how it contrasts from the RuneScape page, which keeps me from being confused about which tab I'm on) Wrathanet 13:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I'm tired of all this "hey,lets use my design and logo! Cool, but mine is better, let's use it! Ok, but only with my logo!" crap. There is nothing wrong with the current logo. There is nothing wrong with the current theme. All you are doing is pushing your design for the sake of self advertisement, and that sickens me. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 15:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It's nothing like that. It's like a book, the author is unimportant unless you like the book and want to purchase more books from that author. I don't care about self advertisement or efame or whatever, heck, give credit to an IP that changed the exchange price for gold ore to 9999999. I don't care. — Enigma 22:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Doucher4000, did you even bother to read anything on this page before you posted? Nobody here is promoting their theme. In fact, the discussion was quite constructive and progressive until you came along. People are just happy to contribute; it's fun. Developing websites is part of my job. I should be off programming other sites, but instead I'm here, participating in what I consider to be one of the most exciting forum discussions in a while. Supertech1 TCE 02:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Support for Christine - I really love the theme and logo Christine has suggested adding. The choice of colours follows the scheme of runescape compared the the white and blue which never really matched the colours of the game. Anyone who is opposing, let me ask you this: "Why have a theme and logo that just dont match the colour scheme of any of the runescape pages?". This is after all the runescape wikia and I could easily name 10-20 other wikias that follow the main colour scheme of the initial topic. Although i do wish for the pictures used in the wiki to have a frame around them which will make the wikia look better, along with the Green and pink headers to have a colour change too. All good though IMO RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 16:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

"Why have a theme and logo that just don't match the colour scheme of any of the runescape pages?", you ask? Well, for one, people can get tired of the same boring thing and a skin can look nice without the use of the topic main colours. My skin uses a few of them, but keeps the simplicitya wiki should have. — Enigma 22:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I suggested Christine's modified Monaco. She hasn't even edited this page. :P Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 23:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - As much as I love dark-themed sites like RuneScape, I don't really think it would fit a wiki. The contrast just makes it too hard to read text for any length of time. Just a thought. Perhaps we could aim for something similar in colors to the current theme, but a bit more... unique?

Also, for the logo, I have one main objection to the current one: it's too complex. We need something simple yet unique, kind of like Enigma's signature. I made a rough logo as an example; it's pretty basic, so I doubt it'd be used as-is on the final theme, but I like it's simplicity.

Supertech1 TCE 02:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

You don't think dark themes fit on wikis?... Perhaps you should look at the Battlestar Wiki, Star Trek wiki (Memory Alpha) or Warcraft wiki. These are some of the best designed, active and popular wikis on the internet. All use themes which match the content they provide and all are pretty dark. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 07:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Also i'd like to make a quick note about why I prefer dark themse on websites and why that reason is the complete opposite to why you prefer light. You say that "contrast just makes it too hard to read text for any length of time". I am of the oposite opinion here and I think it is shared with many others. I tend to go on the internet at home in the evenings when the light is low or dark with tyhe room light on. Reading a magazine or newspaper is quite different from reading a web page, in the evenings looking at this wiki is like staring at a lightbulb and it is very difficult to concentrate on reading it especially when flicking between Runescape (which is dark) and the wiki (which is very bright). I often find myself not going to the wiki BECAUSE of its bright colours which does not contrast well with the game. -Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 07:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

cOMMENT: 'which does not constrast well with the game?' whoa, the whole game's pretty bright, i mean, its all set during day, so...i dont get it. Halogirl15 20:50, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'm trying out Christine's [[RuneScape:Theme/earth.css|earth.css]] but I don't see the logo that is depicted in the screenshot, it is just the default logo with the runes around it. There's also some other differences from the screenshot given above. This is what it looks like for me:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3596/earthuxm.th.png

--Quarenon  Talk 03:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

We're really still in the conceptual stage. Pick whatever you like; feel free to mix and match. For example, I made a menu that is going to be part of one skin, but it might also go nice, say, with Christine's theme (it'd need some color changes, though). If you like what you see in the preview better than the actual CSS file, we can always make the appropriate changes. We're not really at the "look for bugs and perfect it" stage yet. Supertech1 TCE 07:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - It seems painfully clear that there will be a clear divide when it comes to using the French Logo. So unless everyone uses Supertech1's, or creates another original Logo. I want to suggest my very simple one. This isn't a flashy clan site, it's a Wiki, professional and organized, if you take a look at most Gaming Wikia sites, it is effectively the Game Logo and "Wiki". --- Simsarmy Moonclan hat.png 21:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Oppose Simsarmy logo. Rather redundant to have the wikia logo there when its already right above it. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 10:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I suggest we don't miss my point though. A simple clear Logo is what we need, and we need SOME alternative. - Simsarmy Moonclan hat.png 21:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment The sword next to teh search bar is a nice touch, Enigma. :o http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 14:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

You can thank catcrewser for that one. — Enigma 15:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, just saying I will have a logo and theme soon, but I am on holiday at the moment so won't have it ready for a while...--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 13:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Slight Oppose - I prefer the current theme and logo. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you'll find it's slightly redundant opposing a new logo at this impasse, the community had already come to a consensus. - Simsarmy Moonclan hat.png 21:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Meh. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 06:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Neutral I Loved Christine's Version, but I See It more Like Quarenon, So I'm Not Gunna Support yet - But If i did it'd be Christines! --Ringmaster hat.png Celtic-Creations Talk to me Dragon hatchet.png

Comment - I like Simsarmy's logo. It shows that this is about Runescape but still incorporates the fact that it's a wiki. Honestly, I don't like the themes. Brown? Dark brown? They look like they're ripping off the website's color scheme. And with confidence I'm saying that I'm probably not the only one who thinks it's poop-colored. Another theme design please.  Panjy16  14:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I have one thing to say. Roflcopter. You have officially destroyed any positive feelings I have toward brownish websites. Supertech1 TCE 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Skin/logo Stance Reason
Enigma's Support logo
Oppose skin
The skin is no more "RuneScapey" than the current skin. Its got lots of purple light blue and other pastel colors, which is not RuneScapey at all to me. The logo looks nice to me though
runescape.css Support logo
Oppose skin
The white-on-brown color scheme is a terrible strain to read for any extended amount of time, that's a problem I'm very familiar with from browsing the forums. The scheme has to be dark-on-light.
Christine's Oppose skin Per above, white-on-brown is too hard to read
SuperTech1's Oppose logo It looks nice but its not at all "RuneScapey"
Sisarmy's 1st Support logo Its simple but effective. The only problem may be copyright violations by using Jagex's logo as our logo, which I think extends beyond "fair use" rationale.
Rswfan's Oppose logo Firstly its too similar to our current logo. Second the font is not "RuneScapey" in the least, its too modern. Finally, its pretty sloppy. The icons are not evenly spaced out.
Sisarmy's 2nd Oppose logo The edges are too feathered.
Sisarmy's 3rd Oppose logo Same as their second, the edges are too feathered.
Joe Oppose logo
Oppose skin
Apart from the rune shown in the background, there's nothing really Runescapey about the logo, and I like the trapezoid things on the skin, but they're not consistent in size and are therefore a bit distracting

Hope no one minds my super-awesome table. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 14:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. We should make that a template so people can give feedback on each one, rather than this jumbled mess. Glad you thought my logo looks nice—you're right, it's not at all RuneScape-y; it was just sort of an example of what I thought would make a good logo. Simple, yet effective. Hopefully someone with a bit more graphic design talent will make something better. If you have a chance to test out my JS menu, I'd love to get some feedback on that. :P Supertech1 TCE 18:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
How would I go about testing it? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'm using Christine's right now. I like it =)

Bonziiznob Talk

19:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'm voting for the second one made by various... teamwork ftw :P @bonziiznob-how do you apply them?

Support - Christine your skin and logo idea look awesome Australia serv.svgJapol1Australia serv.svg Talk | Sign Here, 12:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - If I had to pick one, I'd pick Christine's. Easy on the eyes, well put together, and I love the logo as well. Abyssal whip.png Browncoat101 泰丽 Clue scroll.png 02:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - As you can probably see, I have put a logo + skin forward. Yes, I know they're not that runescapey, but the logo restores some originality, and the skin is nice and bright, not all dark.nearly everything is one colour, which I think makes it look better and flow more.--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 13:53, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

In the logo, you spelled "RuneScape" as "Runescape". You might want to fix that. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 04:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This probably shouldn't be here, but would there be a way for me to use the current monaco theme, instead of the new one when we get one? Again, sorry for posting this here. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:26, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, go to Special: Preferences, click the Skin tab on the top, and uncheck "Let the admins override my skin choice." Then you can use one of the default Monaco themes. --Quarenon  Talk 21:51, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
Of course! Thanks a lot =D Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:45, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support for Enigma Twotest73

Comment I fear we are growing ever closer to a complete stalemate. While concensus was to change the default skin to something new it wasnt a decision made lightly and there was some resistance from a vocal few at the time. It seems to me that some people have decided that while they lost the argument to keep the old skin/logo, they are just going to keep submitting ideas for new themes that look almost identical to the one we have right now. I worry that this topic will just reach a point where people no longer want to participate as it's not going anywhere and we will just be left with the status quo. I think we have reached a point where we need to pick a design to work on, to make a vote and get the concensus of the community for which one we want to pick and develop furthar. It is then that we can move on to deciding exact colours and finalise the logo. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 08:12, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


Support Enigma's Logo - However, I purpose a minor change. The "S" on the "RS" with the sword, is too far away from the sword, it should be touching the sword overlapping it a little as it's not touching it at all right now while the "R" is. Outofblood 13:03, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Support Enigma's Logo and skin - The logo is easily identifiable as being runescape related, and the newer colorscheme again reinforces the idea that this is a ruenscape associated site. Defo the best choice out of all the current ones, I presonally don't like the entirely brown skins. Gr33nday345 20:54, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Changed to Oppose all skins, including my own - I'm kind of sick of the dull colours and the un-wikish feel. I like the current skin as is, because you can't get tired of it. Used to it, but not tired of it. — Enigma 16:17, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

missing the mark

Why are people posting logo and theme suggestions that do not have a Runescapey feel as decided by consensus in the previous thread? Some of the logo designs look nice but they are not what are wanted. Oppose Supertech, Simsarmy, RSWfan and Joe. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 21:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Because they feel like it. Why do you make unnecesarry sections for you posts? — Enigma 04:23, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
I don't belive it to be unnessesary to create a new subsection. I feel that it is an important thing to note and make sure people are aware of and this would have been lost has i just appended it to the discussion above. Consensus was made to create a new more Runescapey theme and logo. A lot of the suggestions posted here do not follow this decision. It seems a bit futile posting new blue/white themes when this is the opposite to what was decided. What is the point in going all the way to create a new theme if it's just going to look like the default wikia gaming skin? Waste. See: Forum:Logo and theme. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 08:08, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
Ok, one, your comment would not at all be lost in the discusssion above. Anyone who isn't so lazy as to not bother to skim through the discussion when they see it may not see it, but it would not be lost, new sections just make it more confusing and disorganised. Second, consensus was made to change the skin, not make it more RuneScapey. Even if it was as such, RuneScapey is a subjective term and anyone can just come up with colours totally opposite the main RuneScape colours and call it "RuneScapey". — Enigma 02:15, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
Well said, Enigma.--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 11:40, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to remind everyone (abeit in this mostly useless sub-category) that my Logo is in fact directly linked to Runescape, have a look here: http://www.runescape.com/img/main/home/play_mob.jpg?5 - Simsarmy Moonclan hat.png 21:24, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
Can you give us a working link please? ShinyUnown T | C | E 22:59, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
I've edited the link, it should work fine now. - Simsarmy Moonclan hat.png 11:28, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
My Logo is based on the Header font used on the Main Runescape webpage, browse there yourself to see. I'm not entirely sure why the link isn't working properly. - Simsarmy Moonclan hat.png 21:20, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
Comment-Simsammy, I like it! Rswfan, too similair but not of the same quality as our current logo. Simsammy I like your 3rd attempt by the way. Enigma. I'm sorry, but I would much rathere not-even temporarily nick another wiki's logo. I think it's cheap and needless. I much prefer simsammy's idea. It could be a stand in, but I've yet to see anything better that has not already been done. As for skins, take a look at Zybez. YOu can choose. Personally I prefer the white text version, but hey, everyone's different, and it's always nice to be able to choose the kind of colour you want, k?

User:Helm360 22:51, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Hi folks, sorry to make my first post so half-backsided but I'm assuming time is a factor in this new logo concept. I've posted one here http://img32.imageshack.us/i/wikilogo04copy.png/ but haven't been able to successfully add it wiki style. sorry! still learning. It uses RS colors, and any variations on it can be done. Please bear with the wikia noob, me.User:Rolivus

Mercifull is right in saying that some users here are missing the mark. True, "runescapey" is a subjective term. However, it is expected that you have the common sense to know that by "runescapey", we mean that it should have some sort of bearing to the RuneScape mainpage's design, not something completely off. This isn't a matter of opinion, we do have a sort of basis to get an idea of what "runescapey" is like. Why are we changing the theme to something that has a few minor differences from the current one (Enigma's/Joe's). It has to have a significant enough difference. We're looking for changes.

I am slightly irked by a few of the proposed logos. I think that a certain degree of professionalism should be present in a logo. To give my opinion on a few of the logos, I'd say that Rswfan's proposed logo is an eyesore (only difference from current logo is a drop in quality and different images), Joe's proposed logo is too simple, and Rolivus's proposed logo looks like its hand-drawn. If I had the choice, I'd probably use Christine's skin and the first logo. If you take a look at Forum:Logo and theme, you might notice that a large amount of the supporters there like the logo. Using the logo from another wiki is not cheap. If it looks good on the wiki, I don't see why not. That's all I have to say for now. C.ChiamTalk 12:07, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I might just be nostalgic but I don't feel that any current proposals stack up against the current logo and theme. I much prefer the lighter colour-scheme to the dark RuneScapey ones since it feels much more original. If I had to pick my favourite it would be Joe's one due to its simplicity, though I prefer the current one.

I get the feeling that it will be impossible for the theme of the Wiki to change since it would be near impossible for the whole wiki to achieve consensus on one logo. These kind of debates are not made for consensus since there is no middle area for people to bargain over. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:09, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Do you honestly belive that the current theme looks original? It's a default wikia skin of which there are thousands! --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 08:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
I mean how most fansites try to replicate RuneScape's colour-scheme of shades of brown. I was not talking about nobody ever thinking of using blue and white together before. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 11:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
Support Simsammy's 3rd, I propose a new kind of "Runescapey" I much prefer the way this Wiki is set out in terms of colour. While I still believe there should be a change, I don't think "Runescapey" IE directly copying runescapes main page is the way to go. Take a look at some of the most popular sites-Zybez and Tip.it. They have a CHOICE! In othere words you can CHOOSE yourself which theme you would like better. I don't like the idea of looking exactly like Runescape itself. I prefer this style. It looks more professional and sensible. It reminds me of Wikipedia while still maintaining it's own sense of identity. If we change to a "Runescapey" theme we are merely lowering ourselves to the ideals of fansites, whereas in fact we are the definitive "Wikipedia of Runescape", that anyone can edit! I would also like to raise another point, and one that I think needs mentioning. Our Favicon is based on our current logo. Therefore, shouldn't we be recievingnew ideas for Favicons as well?. By the way, In my opinion Simsammy's last logo is the best. It does not take from other websites, but instead takes a new, fresh look at what a "Runescapey" logo is-because it definitely fits in to any Runescapey theme without using the Runescape logo. Oh, and by the way, are we sure the Runescape Logo is ours to take? Surely it has been copyrighted by Jagex? We need a fresh look at a Runescapey theme. But before I leave, I'm going to ask you one possibility? Could we, potentially, have bits at the side which could chaange every so often? Like the runescape site itself? Because that would be a kind of "Runescapey" that I would support. One that endorses change perpetually, to do with major changes-perhaps ours could be changed every month or so, and could represent the new featured article? I'd be all for that, but I lack the technical skill to create one myself. Seriously-can we give it a thought? Even just a Head banner would be better than our current proposals. Oh, and if we do decide to go for a logo with runes, please may it not be just 1 type? Or even (gasps) perhaps we could have a Logo representing the 3 different styles of combat! That might be an interesting change!-- ile:Runecrafter hat.png Helm360Talkhiscore Mithril bar.png 16:32, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I just can't stand when soemone tries to change the logo. Unfortunately, many people have supported this idea, and sooner or later, the wiki will change into a load of RuneScapey colors. Sheesh. Amethyst II Talk 00:39, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

What are you opposaing? It's already decided by the community to change. If you don't like the new default skin we are suggesting of creating then you can always change your preferences to use one of the other skins... http://runescape.wiki/w/Special:Preferences --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 07:51, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Consensus is not permanent. " It's already decided by the community to change." is an incorrect interpretation of consensus. Given that no logo and theme have yet been chosen, the status quo is always a possibility. Personally I think it's pretty stupid to say 'Shall we change it'. Because the grass is always greener, support for a change is often going to be accepted. But in reality, a viable choice is always that of the status quo. King Runite1 19:35, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

PS: The 'original Simsamms logos simply use the RuneScape.com subtitle text and so have as many problems as using the original logo. I like the earth.css designs by Christine, but think that this discussion is erring towards flame and frankly attempting to ignore consensus, AEAE as well as being badly laid out. What we need to do is a table which gather opinions on all the designs. This should include the current theme. All suitable variations should be put put forward, combining themes with logos and favicons, then we should look to combine the outcome of the discussion to develop community, rather than individual editor designed themes, which take into account as many views as possible, establishing as large a consensus as possible. Over time, we can then debate the subtleties. King Runite1 21:05, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Comment @joe re: "Our classiness suddenly vanishes--joele talk ". What do you mean when you say that? An odd comment when the wiki currently uses the default skin for ALL WIKIA HOSTED WIKIS. Certainly not unique or "classy" in my view. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 16:26, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

I mean that our face changes to that of a common RS fansite, not a wiki. We are a wiki. If you want an RS fansite learn HTML and go make your own.--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 16:29, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Straw man argument Joe. So instead we look like every other freely hosted wiki? And I could link you to a dozen RS fansites than don't use brown themes. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 19:15, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Can we decide now?

I mean, we might as well at least attempt at getting a consensus now. Pledge your support for whatever, and please, please, if you want to argue discuss things
Do Not Do It In This Section.--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 17:42, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Support Enigma's Logo http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/237/eldereviltreesmall.png Sskraeling http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8239/coordinator3.png 18:47, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Support RuneScape French Wiki's Logo with RuneScape Monaco - It is the cleanest and most RuneScapey of the logos, and RuneScape Monaco has a good look and feel. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 21:02, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Support Frenchwiki's and Sisarmy's first logo, oppose all skins - kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:18, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Support Frenchwiki logo + various design skin - Too avoid confusion can we please refer to the logo as the French Wiki logo rather than Enigmas? Otherwise there is going to be complications with people perhaps not understanding which skin you prefer. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 07:59, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose all - None are as good as the current combo. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 08:13, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Support Frenchwiki logo + earth.css - I prefer the Frenchwiki logo because of its quality and design. Also, I quite like the look of earth.css C.ChiamTalk 08:18, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely neutral - I use my personal theme, this thread has no reason to concern me. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 12:55, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose all - Our classiness suddenly vanishes--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 15:52, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Oppose all - They all great, but the current skin and logo are better. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:09, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Support enigma's - If we're going to change things, I support enigma's. Too many other wikias have strange colour schemes that distract you when you're reading, and I really think white is the least distracting. I have no real input on the logo, I'm indifferent to the change. Soy the Stig 20:23, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Oppose: Surely, at least to some, the current theme is more visually appealing and less inconvenient one to read than the proposed backgrounds? Would such a change enact greater popularity of the wiki itself, or is the current version sufficient? Truly, perhaps forums about the background may be kept to a minuimum in the future, as it, ultimately, does not really impact any of us significantly. I have found editing here excellent as it is. I understand that sometimes one is impatient for change, yet perhaps the opinions of others should at least be taken into account as well. As for the logo, I am fine with the current one, but I am not sure either way about the proposed ones. However, if I absolutely must choose, I would select Enigma's. My thanks for taking the time to hear my opinion. Ralnon (talk) 21:26, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Oppose to all - My 2¢ on this issue. Our current logo has no reason to be changed, let alone torn from the RuneScape logo itself. The various designs do not appeal to me (while I can change the skin of the Wiki for myself, the logo does not) and the originality is lost is my (and others) thoughts upon the Wiki. Why not just leave it the way it is and just keep on trucking as we have before? Our logo is great, while others disagree I cannot see how, even why, we need to change the logo. Although I doubt it would be a drastic change (in usage of the Wiki), I see it as one more thing many people would see as plagiarism, even being cut up as it is. Sadly, it is impossible to please all, a consensus is unlikely, and if one does pass, a follow-up to change it once more is around the corner. Ryan PM 02:07, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Support Enigma's Logo - Simple and simply good looking. - nhlguy11 02:17, September 24, 2009

Comment: hey, guys, im a bit of a noobie, but i saw the cool blue sign on top, and here i am! well, i dunno WHY we need to change at all. i mean, the logos are cool, yea, but...i dunno...but the brown skins a bit...too different from this 1. plz, i dont know what to do. just get this over with, plz. Halogirl15 20:48, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Checkuser please. This person only registered today. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 21:08, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
RS:AGF, gosh. Plenty of people make accounts every day. I blame the sitenotice. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 01:29, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose all logos, oppose Joe's skin, neutral on all other skins - Per myself and other opposers. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 01:29, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose all - I think we've lost sight of what this original discussion was even about. It's turned into an "I'm going to make an awesome/logo and hope the wiki uses it! =D" contest and the dozen logos/skins listed at the top proves my point. Andrew talk 19:30, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose this discussion - Do I have to read the jumbled mess? I propose a new discussion, except with strict rules. Maybe each logo and skin gets it's own section. And users may list the disadvantages and advantages of it. Instead of this mess where each comment is about something different. Or else we could use the table method that Psycho Robot used. Something more organised. We've (you've) had the discussion, let's get the result. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 11:19, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Support of Enigma I think it is dead important to have an essentially white page. It is SO much easier for the eye to read - and after all - that's what we do here, yey? Delapaco 23:01, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose All Skins I like the current set up. The dark backgrounds are to hard to read. Do we really need a new logo? Strength-icon.png Hammer2092 Time |KOTA Bandos godsword.png 20:13, September 30, 2009 (UTC) Support Enigma skin, Simsammy Logo As per stated before. I hate the idea of a runescapey skin, love this white design, it's not so distracting, even if what I suggested would be cool, I mean it's not going to happen is it?-- ile:Runecrafter hat.png Helm360Talkhiscore Mithril bar.png 20:35, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose All Skins One of the features I like best about RS wiki is the clean and easy to read nature of it. [[File:OldAgility.gif]] Blazel 10:26, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

New discussion

An organised discussion with templates and guidelines

Support - Chicken7 >talk 11:19, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Support - I don't think we're really getting anywhere at the moment. This would help. C.ChiamTalk 11:27, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Make a poll deciding the winning design out of the ones from the table from the top of the page? --Minimingle 14:52, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - maybe. But wiki discussions should have consensus, not counting the numbers. But this is so chaotic, maybe a poll would be best? Chicken7 >talk 15:22, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Polls and making decisions for community discussions never mix. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:33, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
RS:IARCap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 02:39, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
If we had a poll, I could go from computer to computer at my school and give one side fifty votes without anyone getting wise. Hey, I could even do that at my local library and any other computer I happen to use. Polls take the discussion out of community discussions. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 01:56, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
Or one could use a free proxy. Its super easy. Therefore, ignoring this particular rule would be stupid and counter-productive. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:07, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
You guys are way too sensitive when it comes to democracy like decision making. What makes the poll solid is obviously if we are having trouble finding a way to tally who is really supporting what a poll with the exact or near exact total numbers of active people in this thread would make sense. You cant always assume that in every poll someone is going to sockpuppet the numbers so far off it wont even be accurate. Whats the point of the front page poll or any other poll we have ever used if the assumption is that someone will always do it. I could make thirty different accounts assign them all personalities with uniquely designed userpages and have thirty completely unique votes to lean my way. No one will ever suspect me. But that doesn't make it practical. Also keep in mind that any decision made via a poll or even faintly suggested still follows our other policies and will not be permanent and hence can be changed or ignored completely. The point is, don't just dismiss it because it is a poll. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 00:47, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
If you use a proxy, all you'd need to do is refresh the page to submit another vote. It'd be way too easy to sockpuppet with a poll, which is why they're never used in important decisions. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:02, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
One could be used to at least show what option is most popular. Maybe we should just RS:AGF here. What can a poll do wrong? If someone it obviously sockpuppeting it, just 'forget' about it (the poll, that is). We don't have to make the decision by poll (we shouldn't!), but it can help a tiny little bit. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:39, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose: A poll? In truth, if it has indeed come to such chaos, perhaps such discussions should be limited. Very well, switch to Enigma or someone else's background and logo if it so pleases you, but as for me, I am genuinely confused at to the exact purpose of this forum itself. Also, still, how would the poll influence the wiki? I mean, seriously, by counting the number of votes you make a decision? No, I think that is not a wise or appropriate choice. For instance, even if everyone here supported a particular logo or background, or opposed it, I do not think we should be too hasty coming to a final decision. I shall add only this, in conclusion: Do what is truly best for this wikia and its devoted community members, over your own preferences, my friends. Ralnon (talk) 23:44, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Let's wrap this up?

Shall we wrap this up? Seeing this has been around for ages without anything simple coming of it?

Simply, just vote for the logo you wish to have?

Just sign your name, underneath the name of the author you wish to support for their idea?

Enigma

TzTok-Gas talk 18:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC) [[File:OldAgility.gif]] Blazel 10:26, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

(Various)

Asfastasdark Talk

22:54, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Magic cape (t).png Simoon Magic-icon.png 21:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Christine

Asfastasdark Talk

22:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Zazzyo 11:37, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Supertech1

Rswfan

Simsarmy [first]

Simsarmy [second]

Joe

Just click edit, and sign your name? Delete if this is useless (:

TzTok-Gas talk 18:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Can we sign for two? I did, but if not... I'll be going for Christine's.
Asfastasdark Talk

22:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Badboy, I've had to move your discussion above, out of the way. The thing is, we can't/shouldn't use polls to make decisions, per RS:NOT#DEMOCRACY. It was discussed somewhere in this mess of a discussion (good luck finding it). I also won't delete this little section, per RS:DDD. Smile Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 23:00, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

New Proposal

As this is going no where, and a poll is too easy to sockpuppet, I propose that we keep the skin the same and just add the proposed themes to RuneScape:Theme so users that like the skins can just use them in their monaco.css's.

Discussion

Support - As nominator, we're never going to get anywhere otherwise. — Enigma 16:24, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - And the logos? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:33, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the logos will also be added with an example tutorial on how to repalce the logo on the skin they want. — Enigma 18:11, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
I will do this myself. — Enigma 18:12, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

VERY STRONG OPPOSE - The whole point of this discussion is to make a new DEFAULT skin that people see as new visitors to the wiki. This is what the community wanted. Setting it up so that you must edit your own css files etc would constitute a failure to the community wish. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 07:36, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per mercifull Liam - Beta Tester (talk) 17:33, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support - Mercifull, just because you dislike Enigma's suggestion does not mean you should not at least respect his opinion. A failure to the community? How so, exactly? Because not all are content with his proposal? No, my friend, that is simply an invalid arguement, at least when Enigma himself is prime nominator. Kindly note that not all users prefer the darker skin, and thus implying he and his suggestions have failed this wikia's community is simply rather odd. Seriously, this is degenerating into an almost childish discussion, over whose background skin and logo is better, and maybe even who is the most liked in this community. I understand that you may be tired of this, and understandably so, and that this discussion is taking somewhat too long to conclude. But, nonetheless, your own change appears to be too... drastic, in my opinion, and perhaps unnecessarily so, while his current proposal is to me more reasonable. If you are displeased at my input, I implore you not to be so: I rarely thrust myself into this wiki's social side as it is. I mean, these tiring arguements are the main reason I don't really participate in forums...Change it, don't change it, what will ultimately come of either option? Nothing, really, except for some users becoming satisfied and others far less so. I will say this to summarize my opinion: I do not especially care for whatever outcome this forum shall lead to, though polls for such a momentous (to at least some) decision are possibly not the most effective resolution methods, but, certainly, Enigma's new proposition does not appear unacceptable. Thank you for taking the time to hear my opinion, and again, as I have said before, do whatever is the best for the wiki and its community, not just for personal preferences, nor for merely emulation of other RuneScape fan-sites. Ralnon (talk) 23:08, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Are you giving strong support because you disagree with my opinion and reasons for opposing or because you genuinely belive it to be the best thing to do? Regardless of if you think all the current suggestions are crap or not does not take away with what the original point was. It was pretty unanimous that people wanted a fresh new look for the wiki which would be the default skin for new users and current users who liked it and wanted to use it too. Anything other than that, beit one of the theme suggestions proposed above or a new as yet unseen idea, from someone else, to me would constitute a fail of the proposal. All those 'supports' from the previous thread of people asking for a new design would just be disregarded and I think that is sad. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 08:01, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, my friend? 'Sad'? How so, exactly? It was not I who proposed this forum, nor the ones before it, nor was it I who made the proposal. I merely state that I find it a passable one. Please, take my comments as not as direct criticisms of your own evaluations, rather of my personal assessment of the situation. Please, can this arguement not quickly conclude? Again, please, take no offense at my personal viewpoint of this petty matter or my arguments, but ask yourself, are you truly doing this for the good of everywhere on this wiki, not just for your own interests? Ralnon (talk) 21:25, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Extremely light Oppose - OK, I agree that this discussion is chaos and getting no where. But this needs to be done. The current logo is fine, IMHO. But the skin is, well, dysfunctional. The colours, do not mix, and work with each other. Some writing is unreadable. If this is what new users and IP addresses see, I think we need an emergency change back to normal Monaco. If you need an example, try reading categories on the "Category Bar" if they have been clicked on/visited. It turns out I had the colours in my Monaco.css and didn't realise. Lol But it is still an oppose, as I think a skin makes the wiki appealing. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 08:27, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Support-Yeah, I want to be able to change it to what I would like, k? "Not every user likes a dark skin"-Well said that man! I will go investigate the theme thing right now.-- ile:Runecrafter hat.png Helm360Talkhiscore Mithril bar.png 10:11, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Even if we change the theme, you can still change it to what you want. Say we get this horrid dark one you don't like, you are welcome to change how you see it to Enigma's. Chicken7 >talk 04:47, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Slight Support - Per Enigma and that consensus is not permanent. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:07, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Support Enigma's theme --Summoning-icon.png Monkey525467 - TS 02:59, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

All - I Oppose changing the current skin due to the fact that black writing on a white background is how an encyclopaedia should look. I Slightly Support having optional Runescape themes, however the default should remain the same.

I'm Indifferent to a change in the logo as I really don't care about how the logo looks as long as it's not offensive. To me, it's only purpose is to take me back to the RS Wiki homepage. AdamchromeTalk Contribs #Agility-icon.png 03:31, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Well said, my friend. Your points are quite valid: The purpose of the logo is to essentially link us to the main RuneScape wikia page, not to be particularly aesthetically or visually pleasing. Perhaps I was too hasty when strongly supporting Enigma's new proposal, but I shall not take back what I have said, for it seems far more legitimate and logical a proposal than any before discussed here. All I wish is for this discussion to quickly conclude, on something that the majority of us can find passable. Ralnon (talk) 20:41, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral, leaning towards Oppose - I'm still against changing the logo. Skin doesn't really matter - long live Special:Preferences. I'm still against the logo being replaced - not because I think this is the best logo ever, but because I have not seen any others that are, in my opinion, as good. It's light, it clearly shows that we are the RuneScape wiki, it's recognisable... If it is changed, I will certainly use that tutorial Enigma siad he's going to make. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 09:42, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

When'd I say that? OMG!Enigma 07:04, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
In a reply to my comment:

Comment - And the logos? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:33, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the logos will also be added with an example tutorial on how to repalce the logo on the skin they want. — Enigma 18:11, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
I will do this myself. — Enigma 18:12, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:45, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I remember now. Well, Quarenon's working on a theme changing script, so I wouldn't worry about it too much, but if all else fails I'll just make a link that will import all the text of the desired logo and/or skin to the user's .css and also have a link to [[Help:Customizing Monaco]]. In fact, I'll do that now. — Enigma 02:09, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Very well, I, too, support this proposal. And, Enigma, I shall of course hurry with all due haste, but the previous week I have been far busier than I had expected. My apologies. I am glad that this argument is nearing conclusion. Ralnon (talk) 22:58, October 19, 2009 (UTC)



Proposal amendment, read this before posting in this section

I have created a new version of the RuneScape:Theme page that has all the above proposed themes and logos, and, with a click of a link you can change your theme to the desired selection, as long as your monaco.css page is free of text, and the same goes with the logos. There is also a simple, five step tutorial on how to manually change your logo, and as there is so much to explain about customizing a theme it also links to [[Help:Customizing Monaco]]. The page is found at [[RuneScape:Sandbox/Themes]]. — Enigma 03:57, October 20, 2009 (UTC)



Support amendment - Per myself. — Enigma 03:57, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Support - It looks good to me. If the logo is changed, would the old one be placed there? And do you have to upload it to ImageShack, or can PhotoBucket also be used? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 09:07, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Photobucket fails now, you have to pay them if you want to use their services. If you look around, you'll see all the photobucket-hosted images on the wiki are the same thing telling people to upgrade to pro and tha their bandwidth is exceeded. So, imageshack is best at the moment, and doesn't have a maximum upload size. — Enigma 22:48, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Support - It seems like a good addition. A better link should be shown to RuneScape:Theme, as it is somewhat hidden. ~MuzTalk 00:42, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

This page I'm proposing is supposed to REPLACE RuneScape:Theme, and of course it would be moved out of the Sandbox. — Enigma 01:40, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Just a note on the script that Enigma mentioned previously. I've just made it available for beta testing, you can check it out by adding importScript('User:Quarenon/themes.js'); to your [[Special:MyPage/monaco.js]] file. It basically allows you to quickly add or change your custom theme and even override the logo that is used. Future enhancements will include live previews, the ability to use a "static" version of the selected theme, and possibly ways to customize specific aspects of the skin besides the logo, such as font colors. Here's a screenshot:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/821/customtheme.th.png

Visit User:Quarenon/Scripts/Themes to select a theme after installing. VERY IMPORTANT - be sure to force refresh your browser (Ctrl-F5 or equivalent) after pressing Save Preferences, otherwise you will not see the changes. Also, if you have a custom theme and want it listed on here, just let me know. --Quarenon  Talk 04:56, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment/Support - I like it Quarenon. Too bad we couldn't get a default skin/logo sorted. But I really like those options/software. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 08:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
I get an error when visiting the page in Firefox 3.5.5: Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Security error" code: "1000" nsresult: "0x805303e8 (NS_ERROR_DOM_SECURITY_ERR)" location: "http://runescape.wiki/index.php?title=-&action=raw&smaxage=0&gen=js&useskin=monaco Line: 633"] Hello71 (talkcontribs) forgot to sign this comment on 02:01, November 20, 2009 (UTC).
Thanks for the bug report, although that line occurs in an unrelated section of code and I can't reproduce that error in the same version of FireFox...I'll try to investigate this more though. --Quarenon  Talk 18:21, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Awaiting Closure - The discussion has been in idle lately, and consensus for a skin is highly unlikely. Quarenon has supplied a tool to choose your own skin or logo. If you would like the discussion to continue, please do so before this is closed. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 13:08, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - Per Chicken7, As this has gone nowhere, I have decided to take this opputunity to create another thread. Please can you all go over to the new thread. (Sorry about backseat moderating but a sysop has already put awaiting closure) Liam - Beta Tester (talk) 10:06, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Rswfan, please do not backseat moderate. If you've read what Chicken has said, he's asking any users who have any input to come forth and contribute before the thread gets closed. Why you have created a new thread for this is beyond me. Any further discussion can be continued here. C.ChiamTalk 10:14, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - I was just seeing if there was anymore comments, and it seems some people were having difficulties with Quarenon's code. Anyway, that is a story for another thread. If anyone has anymore problems with his code, please report it to Quarenon. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:40, November 23, 2009 (UTC)