Forum:Logo Submissions/Archive

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This page is for logo submissions to replace our current logo. Feel free to conceptualize and use your imagination, it doesn't have to be similar to our current logo. At the end of the submission phase, the logos will be voted upon.

Rules[edit source]

  • Images must be saved in PNG, which can be done by changing the file type to PNG in the Save window.
  • The maximum width is 250 pixels and the maximum height is by 65 pixels.
  • Bear in mind that the default skin that most editors will see is the new oasis theme, a sample of which can be seen here.
  • The deadline for submission was 00:00 UTC, January 10th, 2011. Please note that this includes resubmissions. You may not make changes to your submitted logo after this time.
  • Creating an account before submitting is recommended, but not required.

How to submit[edit source]

  • Upload your logo to ImageShack or Photobucket. Please do not upload them to the Wiki, since only the winning logo may be hosted here.
  • Paste the "Direct link" from ImageShack or Photobucket where it says "Direct link" in the next empty row.
  • Where it says "Description", add a brief summary of your logo and why you think it should be chosen. If you did not make the logo from scratch, explain the origin and changes you have made
  • Change "Sign here" to "~~~~", which will be converted into a signature and timestamp when you save the page.
  • Save the page.
  • If you wish to suggest a logo without actually creating it, please add it to the bottom of the page. Be sure to add ~~~~ to the end of your post.

Suggestions[edit source]

Feedback I like the new submission (#2) but I'd prefer it with different looking text. Something a bit less futuristic/sci-fi looking Henneyj 01:21, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thats what a few people have said. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 02:38, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. The text will not go with our new theme. --Aburnett(Talk) 02:40, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
I think #2 is a very bad route to go. The runes look so very very fake. Not to mention that its cripplingly unimaginative. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:01, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
I like #2 even though th runes dont look real, it is still a very creative idea. flameaglez (rs: immaskillar) 04:04, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
Well it doesnt fit with the new theme being designed. (copy my wikia.css to test it out) 04:05, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
The S isn't capitalized. That would be a pretty big fault for us to show on our logo. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 21:17, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
I agree. I get so irritated when people do not capitalize the S in Scape. Honour.pngL1ke 20 N1njas Talk! HS!
I don't see any logos that S isn't capitalised? >_< bad_fetustalk 17:10, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Then you might want to test your eyesWink... this doesn't look like it's capitalised... Capitals are much bigger like the R and the W... JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:24, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
Medici Text, Minster, Beckett, Cantebriggia, FlutedGermanica.. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:18, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I already found one but I'll try these. 04:23, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
-I like the #2 one however the #1 the current one looks nice to
For searching font's ::http://www.1001fonts.com/search.html?query=god  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.212.175.172 (talk) on 19:55, December 29, 2010 (UTC).
http://blambot.com/fonts_design.shtml --Iiii I I I 19:09, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • The link to the new Oasis theme sample is broken. I cannot make a logo without a sample. D: Honour.pngL1ke 20 N1njas Talk! HS!
Fixed, there is now a link to a picture. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:29, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • I have returned for my monthly visit :P I've read your guy's feedback on the logo I made and I'll see what I can do. I'll probably have some more submissions is a few days. — Enigma 02:01, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
  • About the logo Mercifull/Jeffwang suggested: i think the w should be less Zamorak-symbol-ish, and indeed the full name should be shown instead of an abbreviation, but then it should not be so disformed. It should all be made smaller, and the sword should be placed at the bottom to fill that space, which would then appear. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 16:04, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
There is nothing wrong with a logo being original, it's actually a really good thing. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 02:00, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Comment -

Bear in mind that the default skin that most editors will see is the new oasis theme, a sample of which can be seen here.

Why the Oasis theme? I thought we were making a new logo because this logo doesn't look good with the NEW theme, not the default Oasis... Hofmic Talk 00:03, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Here we call the skin Wikia Oasis, so we don't confuse ourselves. Bear that in mind Wink. --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 01:55, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
It say "the new oasis theme" which means the theme we are getting, if you have a look at the link it will show you that it is the new one. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 02:00, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Personally, I like that 4 took off in a direction unique to the submissions, albeit inspired by TES4. Anyway, as they're copyrighted to Jagex, I'd argue that the images of runes, the logo, and the sword can't be legitimately used without written permission, which we've failed to acquire. Since most people don't care about that sort of thing, I'd appreciate it if we at least avoid something with the entire RuneScape logo in it, as in 5-ish, 6, 7, and 8, so that we can at least feign innocence... More submissions with original ideas would be awesome; maybe one won't be copyright infringement. Leftiness 11:00, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well since the current logo uses runes and we've had that for years it should be fine, but I agree using the RuneScape logo isn't a great idea. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 14:12, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
Cook already asked Jagex and they said it was fine to have Runescape images in the background and logo provided credit was given in a footer. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 21:45, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
While we do have permission to do that, I really think we should be original. ʞooɔ 21:46, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
Apologies for forgetting to remember things. Assuming attribution, it's fine, though I'd still prefer originality. Leftiness 04:23, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Footer change[edit source]

Comment - (Per Leftiness) Let us not forget to change MediaWiki:Oasis-spotlights-footer-title to, and this can be done now as we do use their imagery in the current logo:

<div id="mp-copyrightfooter" class="mainpage-copyrightfooter" style="width:100%; font-size:10px; text-align:left;  color:black; margin-top:10px; margin-bottom:10px;">The RuneScape Wiki is hosted by <a href="http://www.wikia.com">Wikia Inc</a> and is in <a href="http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/RuneScape:RuneScape_Wiki_is_not...#..._Jagex">no way affiliated with Jagex Ltd</a>. <a href="http://www.runescape.com">RuneScape</a>® is a trademark of Jagex Ltd ©1999–{{CURRENTYEAR}} Andrew Gower.<br/>
The wiki's theme, background image and logo contain portions copyright <a href="http://www.jagex.com">Jagex Ltd</a>.</div>

The font size must be 10px to not interfere with Wikia's spotlights, lest we want confrontation with them. The above is a modified version of what I initially had seen Merciful attempt. The only other item that comes to mind is that if the submissions aren't up to par with the current logo, or rather the community dislikes the uploads, we should extend the deadline. On a final note, a new logo may still be in-order for those still using Monobook as per my previous comment on a past logo thread. Ryan PM 05:36, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I've undone that change, as we aren't in a position to do that just yet. Because we have to remove the "Around Wikia's network" line in order to add that, I contacted Wikia about it a few weeks ago. This was their response:
Hi Andrew,

It's possible that the custom footer extension will be returning with a later version of Oasis. Until then, please could you limit the disclaimer to the home page rather than using the spotlights-footer area for this? Another option is to link to a disclaimers page from the navigation bar rather than including the text of the disclaimer on every page. If you find that Jagex voice any objection to this, please let us know.

Kind regards,

Angela

So, other options? --Aburnett(Talk) 20:48, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on logos - 1. Not RuneScape themed; 2. Text not RuneScape themed; 3. Text hard to see, background non-transparent; 4. Background non-transparent, text slightly hard to read; 5. RuneScape, not RS, "RS" "WIKI & the sword seem awkwardly disjointed; 6. non-transparent background, text squished; 7. non-transparent background, text squished; 8. non-transparent background, wiki text doesn't match well; 9. text hard to read, runes awkwardly positioned; 10. text too futuristic; 11. Seems a bit too simple and text too thin :P ; 12. Non-transparent background, Don't really like the font. --- I'd like one similar to 5., but says RuneScape instead. My 2c .Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:09, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Background colour of table - The background colour of the table showing off the logo ideas should be changed from white/transparent to #F9ECC3 so that people can see what the logo would look like on the theme background. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 16:36, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Done by 17:08, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Fiove - I really like your designs dude, perhaps you could use a different font though? And maybe you could base the logo around the sword, just my preference.   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:20, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Fiove's logos are, by scores, the best submitted so far. I especially like the second logo. However, I think the font could be better. Perhaps a font meant to emulate handwriting? I'd also love to see it with a slightly irregular outer glow to make it look like its bled into the paper. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:12, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

I <3 14,15 and 18 - I think they would look amazing with the new layout that we have created. If the swords on number 15 seems to follow the usual copyright issue that always gets brought up and ends these threads in flames, I would then prefer number 14 :). RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 08:44, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

13 & 16 could somone please comment on these as i would like to make inprovements befor the deadline, also will there be a copyright isue with the wikipedi style globe? iRader 12:51, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

According to this, the Wikipedia globe has a copyright on it by the Wikimedia Foundation. In short, we can't use the globe. ʞooɔ 13:14, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
13 & 16 but this website is full of stuff copyrighted to jagex, and theres probably many difrent versions of the globe. And its not exavtly the same, and im not trying to say i created it, or trying to make munny from it. iRader 15:19, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
I'd rather we stayed away from the Wikipedia globes. It's a bit cliched, right? Real Crazy 15:37, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Wat do you mean buy cliched? oh and is my new stone of jas one beter ? iRader 15:52, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
I meant that a lot of other wikis edit the Wikipedia globe into a logo - an example is the WikiSimpsons logo. As for the new one, it's much better with the addition of the Stone, although I think it needs a background, just to avoid having a huge white space around it. Real Crazy 16:09, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Background i personly like the transperncy, and i cant think of a good background :(

Fizzyliquid your image is way over sized, and cleary breaches the size restrictions  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by iRader (talk).

We are allowed to use Jagex's copyrighted work because we have obtained permission from them to use it. There may be other versions of the wikipedia globe, but that doesn't mean that they are legal. It doesn't matter if you are not claiming ownership - it's still a derivative work, and someone (Wikia, which is unaffiliated with Wikimedia) will make money off of it, not that that matters. ʞooɔ 18:40, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support #15 - The 'parchment' look would go well with the mappy look of the new theme. #14 looks a bit plain, but the swords on #15 just push it a bit further. Real Crazy 16:09, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Advice: should i think of new images to go with my logo, stick with the ones i have or ommit the image entirely? and any other advice would be helpfull. iRader 17:26, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion - How about creating a limit of 2 submissions per person? We are near the point of simply having too many logos.

Noobs are very tasty · Vector Skin!Edit this page

02:37, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Monobook? - How would these work for people using the monobook site layout? Would it push items beside it to the right? --Owfin 05:12, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

No, Wiki-wordmark.png is different than Wiki.png. But we probably will want to change that logo as well. ʞooɔ 05:26, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

I really like 4 and 12, but 16 and 15 are close second. But I'm sure 16 won't be able to be used due to copyrights as stated, but maybe a combination of 16 and 22 together? Hmm. Mimichu 06:08, January 7, 2011 (UTC) Oh! Put the background of #4 into either the #12 or #14 box, theeen... take the rune symbol idea from 13/16 along with the stone from 22 and put it all together? Maybe even use the dragon from #20 too, looks cool. Mimichu 06:13, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Does logo 25 fit your request? iRader 15:18, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

I like 4 but maybe it should be on a scroll like a proper map? :-) 77.98.82.13 11:57, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

21 <3 bad_fetustalk 17:54, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Support 16. (and i support mine, 28)Defence-icon.png99 i fail Attack-icon.png 18:02, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I don't see why we're making such a fuss about the legal issues of the logo when the very background of this page was created by Jagex as well... I'm personally thinking that an alpha (transparency) background should be a requirement, as the ones forgoing that tend to look amateurish and out of place. Number 14/15 looks pretty good while not using RuneScape's actual logo. Number 26 also looks good, but number 27 shows why the RuneScape logo looks so much better... Hofmic Talk 19:34, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Per Jagex's rules for fansites, we have permission to use Jagex's images assuming they're attributed, among other stipulations. If you're unsure why we shouldn't use Wikipedia's globe, Wikimedia has not given such permissions. If you're unsure why we're following the law, I'm not exactly certain what to tell you... Leftiness 04:34, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support 15, 34, and 36 --Iiii I I I 20:48, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Seriously? Swizz, #29 is too big, and "RuneScape" is spelled wrong. Oh, and why does it say "liquidhelm"in the bottom left corner?

Noobs are very tasty · Vector Skin!Edit this page

23:30, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Submissions closed. --Aburnett(Talk) 00:04, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - 29 will have to be removed because it is the incorrect size and obviously a joke. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 00:40, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support #4.

Noobs are very tasty · Vector Skin!Edit this page

01:36, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I like 14. But I'm afraid if we do a vote this time around, the votes will be spread out too much and may not have a clear winner. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 01:50, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Survey[edit source]

The survey is live. It can be accessed here. --Aburnett(Talk) 02:25, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Please make the results/comments visible kthanks -- 02:28, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
Not until the survey is over. --Aburnett(Talk) 02:30, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - The descriptions should be changed to be of a neutral point of view, describing what the images contain/reflect. Some aren't clear or contain a comical approach to the submission. Ryan PM 03:44, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Once again my professional market researcher advice has been ignored resulting in a very flawed survey. I can vote for the same logo three times in each question. Very poor. This survey needs ot be taken town immediately. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 13:46, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
Once again your professional advice was never given until now. It's really not a big deal. --Aburnett(Talk) 01:40, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
My reccomendations were given on December 29th and it really IS a big deal. I dont expect you to have a full understanding of market research but you can't justify using the results from the survey as it stands. It is deeply flawed. As I said in my reccomendations it should be ONE questions where people can tick up to a maximum of 3 (or possibly 5 as there are so many choices) from the list. Good luck pulling anything meaningful out of the results without proper software. I will be downloading a copy of the raw data myself when it closes and be prepared to have to argue your case if my view of the results differs to your own. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 10:52, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
You do realize this is not the end all be all, right? We have so many choices we need to slim things down. After this survey has run for a while, we will run another, significantly smaller survey based on the logos that did the best. After that, we will discuss the most popular few here and make a choice. I'm not going to be arguing anything. Also, you do realize that the survey site we are using has no option to do what you are looking for? We're doing the best we have with what's available to us. --Aburnett(Talk) 18:44, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
Why are we having another survey, we can just get the results from this one and then decide with consensus the final logo. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:21, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
Because this survey will not narrow things down enough. --Aburnett(Talk) 01:23, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Did Jagex make this survey?   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:23, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. --Aburnett(Talk) 18:35, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Review[edit source]

Here, I'd like to offer my opinion on the logo-choosing process. While this will certainly work to get a new logo, there are some things that I'd like to comment on. First and foremost, the unscientific nature of the survey bothers me. A good statistical observational study like this one should ensure that the respondents are randomly selected, the responses are randomly presented, and the response pool is a reasonable size. Second, I think the submissions can be changed somewhat to make it more manageable.

For these purposes, a census is appropriate, so we don't have to worry about randomly selecting respondents. However, we should try to ensure that the responses are presented in random order every time so that the ones at the top are not biased towards because of favorable location in the list of logos. Granted, this may not be technically feasible, which means that we should try to ensure that the bias is as minimal as possible. This brings me to my next point.

The submissions total thirty-six. How many people actually bother to click on every one, examine it, and select the best possible one out of thirty-six? Is it really that likely? I think a good way to remedy this is to limit each person to a finite number of similar submissions. This would cut down on the large number and make it more likely that people actually look at all the submissions. For example, Enigma will have to pick one between 2, 31, and 32, and another one from 33, 34, 35, and 36. So, his two can be 31 and 35, for example. I think it's useless fodder to have the same theme used more than once, as it needlessly complicates the process.

So, that's my take on the way things are going right now. --LiquidTalk 02:02, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to click on every one, all the pictures are at the top of the page. Plus taking Engima's for example they are all different because of the colour. Someone may really like 33-36 but hate the text of 35-36 and hate the colour of 34, 36 meaning that they are not the same and liking one does not mean liking them all. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 02:10, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
I created variations on the same theme for this reason. I wouldn't mind some of them being removed if it is deemed necessary, so long as I choose the ones to be removed. But what you're saying doesn't appear to be a problem. All the logos are displayed as images, not links. You can easily look at all of them, heaven forbid people are too lazy to scroll. If you see them as links there may be a setting in your browser or a laggy connection or something, but I believe for everyone else this isn't a problem. — Enigma 02:13, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with Liquid; volunteer bias is bad, and someone who hasn't participated actively in this discussion is certainly more likely to consider carefully the first few logos than he is the last because he lacks any previously formed opinions, and, without previous opinions, it's likely that he just picks one of the top few that he likes well enough instead of bothering to choose his favorite.

Personally, I think we could get consensus to remove 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 16 without even running a survey, which is a start, and we could eliminate more by having a discussion for each logo similar to the recent reassignment of checkuser rights, which would be much more in the interest of the wiki's ideals. 15 is a violation of copyright law as we don't have permission to use Wikimedia's content, and 24 still uses Wikimedia's idea of putting symbols on the sphere, which is obviously done with the Wikipedia globe in mind. I even wonder about 21, 25, and 26 because they're also obviously and by admission of the author based on Wikipedia's logo, which may be considered a derivative work, which we don't have the permission to do.

Also, why am I forced to pick a second and third choice, and why is it acceptable for me to vote for the same logo three times? What good does it do for us to know that something was a first choice, something was a second choice, and something was a third choice in comparison to knowing that three somethings were picked without ranking, or are the choices already without ranking, to which I would ask why can I vote for the same logo three times with each vote carrying full weight? Leftiness 04:23, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Alternate logo layout - I have created an alternate way to display the logos to address these issues. There are three logos in each row and the only information it displays is the number of a logo, as when voting for the logo you need no other information. It can be found at User:9the Enigma9/SandboxEnigma 17:18, January 16, 2011 (UTC)