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Mod Hohbein has "re-launched" the fansite support sticky on the Forums, going into much much more detail on how the process works. I am not going to go into detail as you can read it yourself, but if we do clean up the ads on the wiki I think that Jagex will be forced to start associating with us as we tick all the other boxes.

I am not proposing anything, I am just bringing this to people's attention. What do people think??

Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 07:00, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment - We truly deserve to be platinum. I think creating more threads there and pestering them more won't help. If I ever see a Jagex mod, I'm going to at least try to ask them and reason with them. Chicken7 >talk 07:27, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Show your support. C.ChiamTalk 07:30, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

That wont work as Jagex have a habit of making up their own opinion rather then the popular opinon, and we would need to clean up the advertising thing first. "Importantly, you understand the damaging affect Real World Trading adverts have on the game and you actively block/remove these from your website." Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 07:44, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I am quite aware of that. The very least we can do however, is to show Jagex than many RuneScape players find the RuneScape Wiki informative and helpful, which may/may not sway their opinion of us. Might not bring about any changes, but it doesn't hurt to try. As for the problem of ads, we have already discussed that extensively, we report bad ads when we see them, but we cannot remove all gaming ads from the site for obvious reasons. C.ChiamTalk 07:48, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't know that we had ever actually come to a conclusion on the advertising thing. Which discussion was that?? Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 09:36, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Forum:Why Jagex doesn't like us. C.ChiamTalk 09:55, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I doubt wikia will oblige removing any competitor advertising for a MMORPG, feel free to ask though. Jagex is being incredibly ridiculous in this situation given how popular the wikia is and what little overall effect non RWT ads have on a community. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 10:45, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I myself actually rarely get competitor ads. I just refreshed the main page 5 times and did not get a game ad once, only things like the Commonwealth Bank and What my IQ is. Chicken7 >talk 11:43, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I do recall getting competitor ads here, but I believe that at one point in time, RuneHQ had them also. And yet, RuneHQ is platinum. --LiquidTalk 11:45, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

RuneHQ gets them sometimes, but they're usually drowned out by the RWT ads O_o Chicken7 >talk 11:48, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'ma gonna quote you. "The only reasons other fansites don't do this is because they are not wikis, and they are not encyclopaedias." Source: Yew Grove, Comment by Chicken7. Since fansites are not encyclopedias, are encyclopedias fansites? Let's make it user-friendly ;). Stats Overall icon highscores.pngPlayerFroobTalk 13:04, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Can we not be all 3? (encyclopedia, wiki, fansite) Wink Chicken7 >talk 13:48, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Good point :D. Stats Overall icon highscores.pngPlayerFroobTalk 14:05, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with Chicken, we DESERVE being platinum-but I think we need to do a few things-one of which is mentioned above:

  • Make sure there are no RWT ads.
  • Draft a policy rather than just the single page that says "Jagex rules are also enforced on this wiki, and any user who posts information or advice on how to break rules may be blocked from editing." (Rules of RuneScape)
  • Double check (I believe this is done) to use Jagex as a source whenever we use one of their images.

Other than that, I believe we would be in the clear on this. HaloTalk 13:30, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - As far as I've heard from both discussions, it is purely up to Wikia to get rid of the RWT and competitor ads, because we don't actually have the power to control what pops up. However, I have noticed alot more "make billions with secrets Jagex is trying to hide!" and the such. If we could somehow convince Wikia to remove all MMO and RWT ads, then I think we would become a hugely popular (and recognized) fansite.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 13:50, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I believe we are already popular. Jagex knows we exist, official recognition is a whole other story though. HaloTalk 13:51, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Question - Is it possible to ask teh wiki staff to remove ads? Perhaps only the RWT ones? bad_fetustalk 13:58, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - are we still affiliated with FunOrb wiki? I seem to remember a discussion about this long ago. Being closely affiliated to a fansite that has the same provider (wikia) may help alot... (hope that makes sense, couldn't word it the way I wanted to.) (davelopo) 14:03, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment We can ask, but someone has to pay the bills. Car insurers don't do so hot off a MMORPG wiki site I imagine so it really makes sense that these are the ads we get.--Degenret01 14:04, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I explained in the IRC about our situation, and they said that money must be earned somehow, and game ads are what make it. uberfuzzy also thinks that it's close-mindedness of Jagex's part. We cannot do much about the game ads. However, I believe we can report RWT ads. It used to be on Angela's talk page, but the new link escapes me. I think the best thing we can do is try to bargain with Jagex. >.> Chicken7 >talk 14:12, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - It's quite clear that Jagex doesn't care, just like they never have. All they've ever done and all they'll ever do is a) ignore us and b) say, "Sorry, I can't comment on individual fansites, but you can recommend a fansite here <insert link>! :):):)".

Whatever..Andrew talk 18:42, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Making it my goal to at least get him to talk is what I want. Made three posts and hope he responds with more than his usual "We cannot comment on specific sites to why they are not listed." I really would like to see more support put into making him contact Robert or another administrator like last time. I also "be stalking [his] thread and the Yew Grove for further developments" for the inclusion of the Wiki into that list. Cheers. Ryan PM 19:05, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - It would be nice to get listed. Hopefully they can recognize us on some level at least. --Aburnett(Talk) 19:11, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Could we use [[MediaWiki:Anonnotice]] to inform IP's of our (if the community wants it) desire to be recognized by Jagex? Or we could go with the usual MediaWiki:Sitenotice and just inform logged users to participate in the fansite support thread. Ryan PM 19:15, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - On the bright side, if you browse through the pages of the new fansite support sticky, there are a surprising number of posts that praise the RuneScape Wiki and question the fact that we have not been recognized. =D  Tien  19:16, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - To be honest, I don't think we're platinum just yet. I'm an active wikian, yet I use Sal's all the time for quests. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:18, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Slight agree - Our quest guides are in no way as good as other fansites'. (Rewriting the walkthroughs is actually the second part of Forum:Changes to quest articles. ^_^) Chicken7 >talk 00:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I've placed my support for the wiki on the thread.

Bonziiznob Talk

23:41, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I just refreshed the front page 10 times and I had only 1 of the 20 ads for an MMO. I then turned on anonymous mode thing and pressed random page 15 time, getting 0/15 RWT or MMO ads... Nearly every ad was for WestBank/NAB, Foxtel, visit Auckland or Commsec. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:39, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - If logged out and the browser is using Monobook, advertisements do not appear (besides the three Wiki links at the bottom). When I went to using "?useskin=monaco" or "?useskin=quartz", I would see many, many advertisements for Everquest II, a Dungeons and Dragons MMO, and that stupid text advert where the "Create a Wiki" link generally is located for another Everquest ad. However I saw the most freaky ad using Monaco in IE.

If possible, I would rather see more Ad Council advertisements than anything else, but that is for Wikia to decide. Oh, and someone mentioned earlier in this thread or the CC about a dealership ad doing poorly, well I'm seeing rental car adverts, nice. But please, no more of that disgusting officialiqquiz ads. I would love not to see them again. Ryan PM 03:32, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - God.... thats just wrong. I'd love to not see that again.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 03:43, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - As wikia have said in the past the RS wikia is pretty much self sufficiant so can't we get some way that advertising has to be approved by a beurocraut to make sure it is suitable. This might be hard and we might need one or 2 more beurocrauts who will be able to make sure all the adds are suitable. I know this might be hard because there are probably a lot of different advertisments and wikia may not want to but this would probably get more visits from people as an official fan-site. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 05:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Money is what keeps this wiki alive, literally. You could say it's the community, the content, the history, bla bla bla. But no, it's the money. And money comes from advertisements that attract viewers. Car dealerships and international banks do not make much profit from advertising on a game wiki for teenagers. MMOs are who benefit in this, which then benefits Wikia by having a sufficient cash flow and benefits us by not being shut down. I've heard rumours that Wikia are having financial troubles, so we can't put more pressure on them. There isn't much we can do. Money doesn't grow on Magic trees. Chicken7 >talk 05:46, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - As the owner of a small RS fansite myself, I just want to add my voice of support and encouragement to the admins of this site. Jagex has absolutely no business telling you what ads to serve, and I think you would be doing a disservice to your many readers if you bent over backwards to give in to their demands. Stand firm and stay independent. Qeltar 12:24, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Given that most of the advertisements for RWT are fake or may have keyloggers, are you still sure we should 'stay independent'? He has knocked four times. 12:29, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
It is in this site's own best interest not to have RWT ads or those for sites that have keyloggers, and so should aim to have those blocked for their own sake. That is different than blocking ads for other legitimate games simply because Jagex demands it. I personally have no problem blocking RWT ads on my site, but there is no valid reason for blocking ads for other games.Qeltar 14:42, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I added my two cents to the thread. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 20:55, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

That was actually a really well thought out post diriz, nice job. Maybe it will make someone at Jagex open their eyes. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 21:13, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you TEbuddy, I think so too. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 23:03, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Getting us higher than Bronze will probably add to Wikia's schedule because they will have to block a lot of ads that keep us there. They might not even let us have them blocked. ShinyUnown T | C | E 21:36, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think Lil diriz's post address that pretty well. HaloTalk 21:44, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Leave it to me to not read anything >.> ShinyUnown T | C | E 22:21, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

comment- ill add my opinion on the matter

We do deserve a platinum membership level. our pages are the best on the web and the amount of time and effort our players spend upon runescape research is unreal; for example look at the hundreds of charm logs wiki users have spent time to create. how can somebody kill a high level monster over 300 times for the charm log? simple because they care for the community. The competitor ads point is unrealistically stupid since wikipedia is a charity and needs its ads to keep going. i think that because of the huge number of site views and regular visitors to the wiki that we have we have some sort of bagaining chip with jagex about our adverts. perhaps jagex would like to replace them at the same cost with funorb adverts? lets ask them when ever we approach them with our request for platinum membership. if they aren't going to pay for the wiki to keep going evony and world of warcraft ads can its fairly simple.

Saradomin sword.png Shadow-fox

21:55, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

t Comment - I have added my comment on it Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 21:59, April 11, 2010 (UTC)


just something we should highlight to jagex- i don't just go on the rs wiki when i go on the internet. i go on hundreds of websites. Facebook, yahoo, google, youtube. i look at help guides alot and some sites i visit often in order to complete my homework. guess what i also watch TV. i find that the world of warcraft advert with mr T one of the most awesome adverts on TV. and the evony adverts all over the left hand side of the page when im on a facebook app is obviosly working to draw me in because ive remembered the name of their game. The runescape wiki is one of the many sites that i visit and the adverts on this website are no different to the adverts on other website i visit simply because i am interested in similar subjects runescape. The wowwiki for example i remembered the evony advert on their page because it has that pictures of the man in the helmet shouting. I didn't see that advert on the runescape wiki.

Jagex need told that the rs wiki is not a main souce of the adverts that we in the world experience. i already play world of warcraft not because of the adverts on this wiki but because people i know play it and MR T plays it. Our adverts are insignificant.

Also why would the rs wiki be posting adverts about RWT the rs wiki has a reputation to uphold and cannot be seen to be showing people how to cheat on runescape. For example: we all remember the bolt dupe glitch it was fairly recent. I was scanning the forums like i sometimes do and saw a thread on bolt dupes so i took a look. nobdoy could tell me anything about what its about only that bolts could be duped. i looked at the wiki to see if they could shed any light on what had happened and on the glitches list i was met with a message telling me that no information would be divulged to me until the glitch had been patched. i wasn't trying to dupe any bolts my self i just wanted to know what was going on at the time and whether it was something that would be requiring a roll back. This is a perfect example on how the wiki works to stay within the rules of runescape

The community: we have our own fest twice a year and the spring wikifest had a huge turnout. we had a mix of members and f2pers and frankly it was good fun to meet other people and talk about the articles on the wiki, the weapons we like on the game, telling people to go have a look at my userpage and vote in my poll it was all good fun. the community spirit is great and we are not a close knit community and we can prove this: anybody can edit and create their own account.

Lets remember that all of us here volunteer to add to the wiki. i saw somebodies page yesterday and their edit count was 24000. this player has obviosly put alot of tmie and effort into the wiki and this player probably has a job or has to go to school and plays runescape as their hobby. Jagex really need to give us some sort of compromise when considering our affiliation. we are not independant and we are linked to the wiki and we do not have total control over the adverts on our website

Saradomin sword.png Shadow-fox

22:57, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

"Mr T plays it..." Off-topic, but... wh... wh... what?!?!? (davelopo) 00:02, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment If Jagex does not soften their hardline stance on this matter of gaming ads, sites like Wikia and Zybez will be permanently excluded from their lists. I also find it likely that many smaller sites that might have merit will never be considered large enough to meet their "gold" criteria. I'm in the preliminary stages of possibly setting up an independent association or directory of fansites, intended to be a more inclusionary list for fans to be able to refer to. If anything comes of this, I'll certainly be asking this Wiki if you want to be included, and I hope that you will. Qeltar 23:34, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I've registered my ah... thoughts... here. My thoughts about how hard we should be trying to get on their fansite list remains static. We should welcome the opportunity, but I don't feel we should budge an inch in order to get on the list. We have a huge fanbase, a fantastic community, and a wealth of editors. We don't need that fan list. Also I express a personal distaste about the way Jagex ranks the fansites. Its demeaning! If a fansite is good it should be listed and if its not, it shouldn't. The dogmatic "level" system is downright insulting to anyone who's not on the platinum list. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:48, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - In regards to the ads, maybe we should work to try and make it easier for everyone visiting our wiki to do something about them . I was checking out the WoWWiki recently, and I noticed that they use [[MediaWiki:anonnotice]] to combat bad ads. They have this little tidbit:

Hate ads? [[Special:Signup|Log in]]! • See bad ads? [[WoWWiki:Bad ads|Report them]]!

They even have a little line on their main page urging users to report any bad ads they see. Why don't we include something like this? --Aburnett(Talk) 00:55, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I could get on board with that. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:09, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
I also like that idea! Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 04:24, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
I reported a bad ad to Jagex (one purporting to be a "you have won X" targeted message I think). They said it was OK. Which, considering the audience they serve, I find disappointing. We all remember the first time we got a mailshot telling us "we were one step from winning" some fantastic prize, and believing it, whether for a split second or somewhat longer. Moreover I have seen very savvy people in their declining years start to believe these types of near-cons. It is a shame that people pray on the vulnerable, but to paraphrase Willie Sutton "that's where the easy money is". And that applies to in-world scams, out-of world scams, account stealing and key-loggers too. Rich Farmbrough, 15:12 12 April 2010 (GMT).

Comment - I've already raised the issue of RWT ads with Wikia, and as long as we report them they have no problem removing them from the advertising queue. Wikia understands that RWT is encouraging players to violate the terms of service agreement, and as such they consider those ads to be illegal and something Wikia doesn't want to be involved with. That is indeed something we could do as a community so far as setting up an equivalent to the CVU that would monitor the advertisements on this website and report the "offending" ones as appropriate to Wikia.

I should point out that Wikia uses a similar advertising aggregator that Jagex also seems to be using, including RWT ads that occasionally slip into the Jagex webpages and the lovely Evony ads that we all love to hate. Other than this one minor step within our community to police the RWT ads, I don't know what else we can do. Advertising for other MMORPGs seems to be asking a bit too much on the part of Jagex and I think that is something which should be permitted. Why should Jagex get bent out of shape over an ad for World of Warcraft, especially when Runescape ads can (perhaps should) be seen on the WOW wiki. --Robert Horning 23:26, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Points:

  • Why does it matter that this website is listed there? This site is already likely the number one site. Though I do use the others sometimes, they are inferior on almost every topic or article -- atrocious load times, info errors that don't get corrected even if you report them, often difficult-to-find data. I can't even register on some competitor forums anymore because of lazy mods not accepting new members in their manual registration acceptance systems.
  • Jagex asking fansites to remove competitor advertising is ridonuclous, both morally and technically. Asking to remove RWT sites is more reasonable but still a pain for wikia to do anyway. The most likely reason why you're not seeing them is because they just can't afford to advertise here.
  • This wiki should not be chained to (often nonsensical and self-serving) Jagex Forum rules.

--Agamemnus 06:41, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys and gals, 

First of all, thanks for all your comments. 

There have been a few mentions of adverts for 'RuneScape Guides' appearing on certain fansites. I think there's some confusion between RWT ads and RuneScape Guide adverts. Guides are fine - telling people how they can earn lots of gold (legitimately) isn't against the rules. Selling gold for real world money is very much against the rules. Hope that clears up any confusion. 

There's a lot of discussion about certain fansites not currently being listed, or not being under the 'correct' level. If fansites want to progress and want to move up a level, that's great and we're happy to offer advice and support to help them achieve that. We're also in touch with other fansites which aren't listed (for whatever reason) at the moment, as we'd really like to get them listed. 

I really can't go into detail about specific fansites though - as any correspondence between Jagex and a fansite's owners/admins should be kept confidential. 

As a final note I'd just like to assure people that the lists will change as time goes on. Hopefully we won't be losing sites from certain levels, but we'll definitely be adding to each level as time goes on. If your favourite site isn't listed right now, don't panic - nothing is set in stone. 

Cheers, 
Hohbein

Hopefully Hohbein will contact the Wiki and stop hiding real reasons he hasn't contacted us yet. If I see the site Runezone.com go up there before we do, it would be an insult, seeing as they use our content (or any other plagiarising site) to make it on the list, I would go bonkers. Ryan PM 16:40, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Tell them to take a hike - Jagex's idea of negotiation is "do exactly what we say and we'll be nice enough to put you on this list of sites that do exactly what we say". Tell them to get stuffed. Qeltar 17:31, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Comment -Screw it, then. I don't usually say stuff like that, but this is ridiculous. They're hypocritical and have apparently something to hide. RHQ is platinum, and has several questionable ads, yet tip.it is only gold- I don't even use them, and I've visited a handful of times- is much cleaner, prettier, and from what I remember has far less ads. This whole thing is just to make the people happy, they're not giving these to the fansites for their earning of them - they're giving them to them in order of popularity. It's ridiculous. MIght add to this comment later, BRB (davelopo) 20:38, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I try to stay out of these kinds of things, because of a lack of caring, but it is specifically that that (not a typo) makes me type this. Who cares? Why does it matter? It is an arbitrary list of fansites, based on criteria that we don't know and probably will never know. So why does it matter whether or not jagex 'officially' recognizes us? The only reason I have seen is the ability to say runescape.wikia.com in game. Nothing else. The list of benefits hasn't been brought up majorly at any time, so it can't be important to us. What I'm trying to say is most of you seem to be getting so worked up over being put on a list somewhere, and it sounds like elitism to me. Like degen said, we know we are good, and the posts from people who use but don't edit prove it. What more than that do we need? NOEEEBucket detail.pngrwojy 23:48, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - And back I am. I've got an update on the Fansite support. I've asked around a bit. Currently Jagex is looking into the case, and so is Wikia. Both Jagex and Wikia are both actively looking for a solution to this problem. It isn't as easy as just turning a switch with those ads, and there's being worked on. Jagex and Wikia are in contact, and this problem will be fixed as soon as possible, but I can't give any dates. It might take a week, maybe a few months, but Jagex is aware of the case, and Wikia's working hard on it. So patience is the key to success. Jagex isn't keeping anything a secret, and certainly doesn't dislike the wiki. -- Mark (talk) 18:34, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info.   az talk   19:07, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. 19:08, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 20:36, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the update! In regards to perhaps reporting "bad" ads to wikia, would this be helpful in dealing with our problem, or would we just be slowing things down for you guys? --Aburnett(Talk) 21:13, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
I think it's very unfortunate that the RS Wiki admins are actually wasting Wikia's time trying to convince them to give in to Jagex's completely unreasonable demands. It's disappointing to see that you aren't willing to stand on principle, and that you can't feel confident enough in the quality of this resource not to need Jagex's official blessing. If the big RS fansites had all worked together and refused to cave to Jagex's control freak demands, the company likely would have backed down by now. Instead, Jagex continues to get rewarded for its greed and selfishness. Qeltar 03:33, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
But then we get the misleading ad's away so its a Win/Win thing Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 03:54, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
I think it's best for all involved if we don't approach this from a competitive, "us vs them" mentality. If we are in contact with Jagex about becoming affiliated, it should be from a spirit of collaboration. Do we take issue with some of their demands? Sure, some of us do. We shouldn't let that drive us to maliciousness or targeted rebelliousness. We just have different viewpoints, so let's work through it. Endasil (Talk) @  06:30, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
While I'm glad that Jagex is talking to Wikia, I'm curious about what sort of editorial policies and content control Wikia is promising to Jagex in terms of what is displayed on this wiki? So far I have seen no other promises made here other than perhaps taking charge of some of the really annoying advertisements that we have previously contacted Wikia about as well because they offend the contributor community to this wiki. If that is all the further the agreement between Jagex and Wikia goes, I'm fine with that, but please be open about the process even if Jagex isn't being so open. It is this "mushroom management" of the whole affair that really sticks in my craw and makes me want to say "screw 'em" to Jagex. That there are some more reasonable steps to take in the meantime is something I'm willing to work with, as it helps the wiki regardless of whatever recognition may or may not come on an official basis from Jagex. Besides, this wiki community and those who follow this wiki is large enough that Jagex is shooting themselves in the foot by ignoring us rather than the other way around. --Robert Horning 04:41, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - It's nice to know that they have talked/are talking. However, on the Tip.it forums, Hohbein said:
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CONSPIRACY!


While I guess none of the conspiracy theorists will believe me when I say this - no, there's no big conspiracy going on and Jagex aren't out to gain control of our fansites. 

In fact, we've always been very clear that we aren't interested in any form of editorial control. What's posted on a fansite is completely up to the fansite owners, admins, and community members. We actually like reading the sometimes brutally honest feedback that fansites can generate - this stuff really is incredibly helpful to us as a company. The absolute last thing we want is for fansites to lose their sense of identity and become blind followers of Jagex and everything we do. 

Obviously we have a set of criteria that a fansite needs to meet before we'll be able to offer a great deal of support, but that's where it ends - once we start supporting a site we won't be contacting them and asking for edits to be made to the website. If a fansite starts doing something that goes against the criteria of being supported then the worst that'll happen is we'll move them to another tier of support and they'll lose out on some of the support they were previously receiving.
Wonder if they (Jagex, more specifically Hohbein) can keep their word. Ryan PM 04:51, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
http://forum.tip.it/user/187651-hohbein/ is the link for his contributions to their forum. Ryan PM 04:55, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
Some of us may find it interesting, difficult, or downright sketchy that it is Wikia that is communicating with Jagex and not the community directly. Let's try not to read into that too much and instead acknowledge the uniqueness of our community. There are no official representatives, no owners, and no small set of administrators. We discuss things openly; there really are no secrets when it affects the Wiki. But Jagex has previously stated that their communication with fansite admins should be confidential. I can see how Jagex would be unfamiliar (if not uncomfortable) with dealing with a community such as ours. So lets give them the benefit of the doubt and be happy that there is somebody Jagex are willing to talk to that represents our interests, even if that person is not strictly part of the community. Endasil (Talk) @ 
Some of us have a memory of how the top management of Wikia treated some of the Wikimedia projects back when those individuals were more involved with Wikimedia, and some of the editorial decision made there before the community started to push back, so I think there is some room for concern here. Jagex in particular has not always been forthcoming, and they are expecting to make some editorial policy changes already. Answers to direct and pointed questions almost always result in an evasive response, and it is a rare thing to get any kind of response at all. When I've been contacted in the past, I feel that it is my obligation and duty to let the community know what is going on. I'll admit that this wiki is much more democratized than other fan websites, and apparently that seems to be the largest problem. As for some folks at Wikia "representing the community", it is Wikia that has the authority to make a change to the advertising policy, and it is a win/win for Wikia to be recognized (potentially directing even more traffic to Wikia sites) so there certainly is some self-interest on the part of Wikia to try and resolve some of the concerns Jagex may have over the advertising content. If it is merely a matter of time for this issue to be resolve, I can be patient. I have been too! --Robert Horning 08:18, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I talked to Sanse about it and she said this: What we would love is for Jagex to buy the ad spaces instead. That would be our ideal solution. I've no idea if that will ever happen, but it would certainly be a way to keep everyone happy. Thinking outside the box on Wikia's part, though I do wonder how effective this will be. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 10:08, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

What would Jagex have to gain by marketing to people who by majority would already be playing one of their most popular products? I imagine they could simply place ads they got through their own aggregation, but after the fee to wikia I doubt there would be much room for profit. Besides, it sounds a little too open minded and reasonable for Jagex to consider. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 10:22, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
Membership. I'm sure there are thousands of people that use the site that aren't members. Endasil (Talk) @  17:02, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
If you all take a look at MechScape World, it appears Jagex are not opposed to purchasing ad space. I think this would be a good compromise. 00:03, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
It could probably also be used to promote new payment methods. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:18, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Honestly, I don't see Jagex endorsing us even after this new "level" system. The thing they nailed us with last time was the fact we had ads for RWT and other MMO's, and that's how Wikia probably gets it's revenue from us: people clicking on ads to check out other MMO's. Unless Jagex let's the ads slip by, I highly doubt that we'll ever get endorsed since Wikia still needs to make a profit from us. They may look into it, but honestly I think we're fine as we are and can attract more users/traffic in other ways. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 23:30, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Ah well, at least people have stopped mindlessly bitching about Jagex anymore and it now looks as if something constructive is occurring, even if we are not playing any part in it. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:18, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Jagex is the only company that I know is so strict on adverts on fansites. Blizzard and other sites don't worry about what sort of advertisments are generally found on fansites that they do associate with, like I could see why Jagex dosen't want fansites to have RWT ads on them, but ads for other games? That's just silly. Seems to me if Jagex was seriously convinced that their game was the best they would have no problem just shrugging off all the other gaming adverts on their fansites (most of which aren't for good games anyways). But alas, in Jagex's infinite wisdom (paranoia) no that can not be allowed whatsoever! It's very time consuming for any website to moderate all the advertisements that come in and especially since this site is run by Wikia staff who have many sites to manage and can not spare the resources to just manage what occurs on this site it's not fair we put this task on them just so we can get a little title on the official forums which really doesn't mean anything. Frankly, I think we should stick to our current guns and say no, to Jagex. It seems their community program is more becoming meddling to squash out compitition they fear, no matter how unjustified rather than supporting well made fansites. --Whiplash 21:56, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I want to suggest that this affiliation, whether it happens or not, is fairly trivial to us as a community. We would gain from our site being mentioned in an official and uncensored capacity, and by having a link up somewhere, but that's about it. The other benefits that Hohbein mentioned: exclusive interviews, for example, are probably things that I would categorically oppose our community participating in anyway. That's for other fansites. We're a wiki; we stay neutral, and we act like an encyclopeadia wherever possible. Since according to Hohbein other gaming adverts are only a barrier to gold affiliation, why aren't we (or Wikia) simply negotiating for a bronze or silver support status? I personally would want nothing higher for our community. Endasil (Talk) @  05:39, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I think that the interviews would be invaluable since Jagex are theonly real source that we can quote here. Gold seems to also allow us to contact Jagex directly with the Fansite Admin forum which we really need as many YG threads (like this and this) have needed them. It was insane when Rwojy had to send that letter off to Jagex as there was no way that we could properly contact them. Plus merchandise giveaways can never be a bad thing, I have seen quite a few wikis at the bottom of the page advertise this. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 07:48, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, ho, Silver.

Comment - As of four hours ago, the RuneScape Wiki was added to the Silver list of Jagex's Fansite thread. Just thought you should know (the community). Ryan PM 14:35, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Acknowledgement! =D C.ChiamTalk 14:38, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Finally! (I still think we deserve Platinium though. We are way better than rhq and sals) bad_fetustalk 14:39, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Awesome [1]. Its a shame we will never get gold status, although I doubt this affiliation will actually do anything for us. Look at the gold criteria they have listed: "The website owner(s) focus solely on the game they are supporting. They understand that gaming adverts will push players away from the game and their fansite and block/remove these from their site". Ridiculous. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 14:45, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

If RHQ can get platinum, so can we...their site is one giant RWT add. HaloTalk 21:46, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Progress, w00t!!! =D Andrew talk 21:40, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - We have to start somewhere. Go Wiki! ~MuzTalk 23:32, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - First, the silver rank, next, the platinum rank, then, we'll take over Jagex! *evil laugh*!! Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 01:06, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Congratulations everyone!!!!

Bonziiznob Talk

03:31, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Huzzah! - Enough said! Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:53, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I think that Hohebian is making it so that every fansite that they acknowledge starts on silver, with it being required to climb up the ranks with each "review". While there is no evidence to back this up, we seem overqualified as a silver site whereas some smaller, less imformative sites were catapulted right to platinum when Jagex added the tier system. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 06:08, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Question: Exactly what do we get out of this? --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:59, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, just checked the thread. Seriously, only silver? I'd like to know why. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 06:07, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Well whoop-de-doo... </unenthusiasm> Chicken7 >talk 06:53, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Coment - Only good adition from the worst update ever.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:56, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Since the thread has run its course, I will close it. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 12:51, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - TEbuddy, incidentially, I've also read that post, I actually copied that paragraph and search in on the RuneScape Wiki to find this place. However, I don't think Jagex's requirement is ridiculous. I find those ads distracting too despite my unwavering loyalty to RuneScape and RuneScape Wiki. It would be perfect if you could explain your reasoning behind your comment. Atheist723 12:45, January 31, 2011 (UTC)