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This thread was archived on 1 December 2014 by Liquidhelium.

Earlier this morning the account User:ModJD was created. It's a name that purports to be a JMod, so, naturally, it was blocked indefinitely for impersonation because there is no way to verify that this user was who he said he was.

I was curious, of course, and I contacted the real Mod JD on reddit via private message to ask if it was him. The conversation wasn't that special, so I don't think he'll mind if I post it:

to JagexJD sent 1 hour ago

A user created an account on the RuneScape Wiki with the username "ModJD". We take Jagex impersonation very seriously, and immediately block all accounts that attempt to impersonate JMods.
There is however a chance that this is you, and if it is, I can see about getting the community to recognize vetted JMod accounts.

from JagexJD sent 9 minutes ago

Hey - believe it or not, this was actually me. Sorry for the confusion - wanted to chat to one of you guys about something related to the Wikia!
Cheers, JD

I'm glad we were able to verify it was him, but that was done on my own (and by gaz on twitter, independently). We should probably have a decided process on how JMods can have their Wikia accounts verified to us, even if it is a rare occurrence. MolMan 14:26, October 16, 2014 (UTC)


Comment - Does Wikia (or the some special users here), like the other fansites, have access to a fansite forum on the RSOF? If so, a JMod post in a topic there should provide enough proof that it is them; much like them posting their own official twitter accounts. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 15:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Gaz, Cook, Ryan, Fergie all have access to this forum; however, I'd like as many ways possible to get discussed, and would especially like input from the mods themselves (I pointed Mod JD to this forum). MolMan 15:07, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Some suggested avenues -

  • Twitter DM
  • Facebook Message
  • Reddit PM
    • since there is no central wiki reddit account (and I don't think we really need one), will have to be to one of the wiki admins on reddit, e.g. /u/gaz_lloyd, /u/cookmeplox, etc
    • from one of the verified JMod reddit accounts, that the reddit mods check first and give the special flair
  • Email
    • I know some admins have contacts inside Jagex, so that is a way; albeit not great. There's also the email tied to our social media accounts
    • from a verified email
  • Fansite forums in RSOF: maybe a little too public, unless they want to set up a verified account on all fansites thread?
  • Jagex Message Center or in-game (I mean, its a way, right?)
    • to a wiki admin
    • from a JMod

We have some things on RS:CONTACT, but its more about wiki issues and doesn't really aim toward more official contact, and has no off-site methods.

I believe we should continue to instablock Mod* usernames, and unblock if they're verified later, rather than attempt to verify before blocking (that is, unless they verify before creating the account). If a JMod is verified, there should probably be a post on the JMod's talk page, made by the confirming admin, that they are who they claim to be.

After that, there shouldn't be much, if any, different treatment of JMods as editors of the wiki, though it would be weird if a JMod ran an RfA. Maybe its best if we treat verified JMod accounts on the wiki as a semi-official representation of Jagex on the wiki (like how JMod twitter accounts sometimes provide information about the game or upcoming update, and sometimes talk about breakfast), and if the JMods want, they can use a different, unrelated account for general editing (much as they do with JMod/personal accounts in-game). I don't know. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 15:18, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Hey guys - Just my two cents' worth. My personal preference, for privacy and swiftness purposes, would be by Twitter DM; us contacting you. I also agree that you should block first (that's what Reddit do as well), until they're verified as a member of Jagex Staff. Obviously we don't want to intrude or affect you guys, because you're already doing a great job, but hopefully it's useful for both of us if we're here :).

The recently verified Mod JD

Comment - To clarify some misunderstandings, any account with Mod in the name will be prevented from creation, giving us one less thing to worry about when patrolling the list of new accounts. We don't manually block them. There is a way to circumvent the creation prevention which is to create the account on another wiki and wait for it to become autoconfirmed (4 days after creation and/or 10 edits). Ideally, any JMod accounts would be added to the authenticated usergroup too, something Wikia staff control but it should be relatively hassle free, which remove any potential for confusion and gives a means of making sure any JMod accounts are verifiably who they say they are. The authenticated route is something I'd very much like to happen, as currently there's half a dozen or so JMods editing under a single IP which makes it a bit hard to track who's who. If that's something individual JMods, or Jagex, are interested in I can get some more specific details about what's involved and send them into whatever jagex email is preferred. cqm 17:40, 16 Oct 2014 (UTC) (UTC)

Explain this pls MolMan 17:43, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Ah... I'd forgotten someone (suppa?) altered it to allow for usernames containing "mode" which were triggering false positives. All one word won't trigger the filter, just "Mod XYZ"
As for the authenticated accounts, the person who deals with them is away this week. Not sure if it's still Sena, as Ryan mentioned below, but it's looks like it's definitely something Wikia are willing to sort out if Jagex are willing. cqm 10:38, 17 Oct 2014 (UTC) (UTC)

Comment - We have had some pretty good results with communicating with individual J-mods on the RSWiki Twitter account. The only thing is that DM requires that we follow each other. For J-mods interested in having authenticated accounts here, I don't think it'll be a problem, a lot of J-mods follow us already. Anyone can message a J-mod on Reddit so I would assume their inboxes are often flooded and annoying. Twitter would be, as Mod JD said, swifter. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:10, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Comment - We could always try what was attempted last year, getting Jagex to contact Wikia. "Edits will be more anonymous (as seeing which IP's edits are coming from is also not a good security practice, even if we are used to it) and talk page messages (or pm's) will be notified to the correct individual rather than getting dismissed by a random party at Jagex.

If you'd like to pursue this, the manager of the authentication program is Sena and she can be contacted at [email protected]" — December 2013. Although I'm not sure if Sena is still the person to contact as this was a year ago, but it's a road that can be taken if Jagex wants to. I'd just hope Michelle makes an account as well so that editing resides on that rather than the IP. Ryan PM 20:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Idea - for verified jmod accounts, we could do a badge beside the username that says "JMod", like the ones admins and bureaucrats have beside theirs. Easily done with some CSS. eCopM0F.png Brownfire  eCopM0F.png Talk Edit this because I am a noob.Oil4 I made this 03:11, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

It might be worth adding a hilite and/or user masthead tag. cqm 10:38, 17 Oct 2014 (UTC) (UTC)
Comment - I've got no objection to that idea. Nothing is stopping Jagex employees from creating accounts. He could create a username like DJ JD or JDrox1337 ... but I do see the issue in trying to verify that the Jmod might really be a jmod. One other reason for no Mod in the name ... an employee of Jagex only works there at the discretion of the management, or until the employee decides to leave. At which point, they stop being a Jmod, and thus lose their special status, and thus ... no longer get to use a "Mod JD" account type name. Wikia users however are permanent, or at least until they get bored editing ... then they can go off and watch Mol Man's brony stuff. --Deltaslug (talk) 01:43, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
You probably don't want to look at the pony stuff I look at... MolMan 13:52, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
Moltare does Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:49, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
Moltare Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:50, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
hence why i like blues idea of a badge, we just remove the badge if the jmod ceases to be one Zaros symbol.png KDanger Talk 20:45, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
There's nothing stopping anyone from putting a Jmod graphic in their own signature or on their own userpage. I'm not opposed to the idea, but it doesn't really provide much assurance. --Saftzie (talk) 21:06, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
Does it matter if they're a mod or not? Off of the official media they're regular users with no additional rights so why the need for the badge? Real Mad 03:22, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
I think the idea is, that if they have "mod" in their names, the badge or whatever graphic would provide some assurance that no impersonation was occurring. JMods are already editing the wiki as IPs. (Disclaimer: This is not an endorsement, only an explanation.) --Saftzie (talk) 03:46, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Then it shouldn't be terribly difficult for them to get another account without mod in the name, yes? I don't even know if what Real said about their mod status not mattering is true, but if it is, I don't see why they would need to have an account name with mod in it. It even seems counter-constructive as it would be misleading in that it would make it seem like they officially had powers on the wiki. bad_fetustalk 07:27, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
The question originally posed by this forum thread is "How should we verify that JMods are JMods?" Perhaps the more fundamental question would be "Why should we verify that JMods are JMods?" They're already making edits as anonymous users. The only source of authority for the information they edit is that they are JMods, which leads to the question "Should JMods represent themselves as a source of authority?" Well, they're perceived that way, whether they actively promote it or not. So maybe a better idea is to have a discussion about what their role here should be. Are they "just" editors? Is it only about customer relations? Some concrete proposals might suggest an approach to JMod accounts, like if they should be specifically identified as such. --Saftzie (talk) 09:20, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
There's been at least one case where a JMod added information that can't possibly be verified or sourced. As far as I know that is the only place the translation exists too. cqm 10:17, 12 Nov 2014 (UTC) (UTC)
That IP has several other edits,etc. that were only accepted because we know they are JMods:
It's morning and I'm lazy, enjoy the lack of formatting. MolMan 13:38, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Closed - The consensus is that Jagex accounts are allowed with "Mod" in the username if verified in some form by the Jagex staff member controlling it. The verification medium is up to the discretion of the sysop in question, since as seen above, different individuals may have different preferred contact methods. There isn't much we can do about someone having a Mod account here and then leaving the Jagex job. For discussion on the "authority" of Jagex moderators here (or the lack thereof), please see Forum:Jagex-paid editors. --LiquidTalk 08:12, December 1, 2014 (UTC)