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This thread was archived on 10 June 2013 by Suppa chuppa.


Hi, I am Xsdvd, currently one of the main editors on the [[w:c:nl.runescape|Dutch RuneScape Wiki]]. As a relatively minor wiki with a limited number of editors (two active ones at the moment, me being one of them), it is generally rather hard to write articles completely by ourselves.

Therefore, the English RuneScape Wiki has served as an example and inspiration for as long as I can remember, with a number of our articles being nothing but translations from this wiki. It was (and still is, to be honest) common practice to use the English version and translate it into a new, Dutch article.

The images used on the Dutch RuneScape Wiki are exactly the same as those used here, as the file database of this wiki is accessible to us. I don't know when this was implemented, but it has been for a long time.

As I cannot remember any discussion about the use of your content on our Dutch Wiki, I want to hear the opinion of this community. Do you approve the use of your content on the Dutch wiki? A proper way of attribution (something like this, the template used on Wikipedia) is in the making, so readers will know if the Dutch page is based on your content. I'm sorry this kind of discussion didn't take place earlier, and I know it is about time to hear your stance on this. If you do not agree with this any longer, then we will rebuild the Dutch RuneScape Wiki, using our own images and we will write original articles, without using your content or your pages. Divination.png Xsdvd Talk Duellist's cap (tier 1).png 13:19, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment  Support -  It seems perfectly reasonable to create dutch language articles by simply translating the english ones. Given the the dutch servers do not differ in the content from the english servers, it seems stupid to expect or insist the dutch wiki editors to recreate articles from scratch when a  perfectly good one already exists. My only concern would be to ensure you're translating them correctly, not just copy-pasting google translate or the results from a similar service. However, as far as I'm aware all content on the english wiki is free for people to copy, share and adapt as they see fit as long as you attribute it to us in a way that doesn't imply we endorse you or your use of the work. I'm not a lawyer, but having us say we approve of you doing this seems to me as if it might count as an endorsement of some kind, rendering your efforts to translate the wiki illegal.  04ismailjj6 (talk) 13:32, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Addition - Never mind that last part, we don't hold ownership over our edits so our endorsement wouldn't invalidate the attribution.04ismailjj6 (talk) 13:38, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
RS:OWN is a white lie, essentially used to make our case for preventing signing articles. You do own your edits, but, because a page usually has multiple contributors, you do not own the page. Even if you were the sole author at the time, it is unlikely to remain so for the life of the page. cqm 10:32, 6 Jun 2013 (UTC) (UTC)

Support use of images and translation of articles - We are an encyclopedia, which means our main goal is to provide information. Since the Dutch RSW is based on the same principle, heck even hosted by the same company on a subdomain of ours (nl.runescape.wikia.com), we should shre our information and files with them. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 13:34, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Attribute us. Other than that, I don't care. MolMan 14:11, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Support above - Be sure to attribute us, I like the idea of that infobox; perhaps something like this though? (more runescape-y of course). Hair 14:40, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - I will make sure that you are attributed when necessary. Feel free to leave suggestions in what way you should be attributed (like Hairr did): an infobox on the talk page (like it's used on Wikipedia), the way of attributing as suggested by Hairr, or something else. Divination.png Xsdvd Talk Duellist's cap (tier 1).png 14:59, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'd be against the usage of the talk pages, maybe just have a footer or something in the documentation about it? Blaze_fire.png12.png 15:16, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
Forget about the talk page, I won't put it there as nobody will ever look there. Most likely I'll just use some sort of footer, which can be seen easily. Divination.png Xsdvd Talk Duellist's cap (tier 1).png 15:22, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for asking us - I appreciate the fact that you made the effort to seek our approval; most wikis wouldn't. However, under CC-BY-SA, there's no real need for you to request 'permission' to translate our content, as it's freely usable. The only requirement is that you attribute us as the original source. As you seem happy to do this, we should have no problems. Ronan Talk 22:00, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - We have {{Wikipedia}} (I think because some of the original content of the wiki came from there). You could alter it to suit your needs. I don't think we can claim ownership of our images as their used under fair use, but it'd be good if you attributed the source of the image. Our images end up everywhere these days... cqm 10:32, 6 Jun 2013 (UTC) (UTC)

ἡ ἰδέα ἐστίν ἀγαθή. - Per Mol.Haidro: I've forgotten how to Ἀθηναῖος, am I doing it right? Temujin 12:13, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Follow the CC-BY-SA and everything is good. Real Mad 14:18, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Closed - There are no objections to using content from this wiki on the Dutch wiki. In general, content may be used on interlanguage wikis with proper attribution. Suppa chuppa Talk 16:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)