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This thread was archived on 13 August 2010 by Calebchiam.

Alright, so I've noticed the new rating system and it's pretty cool, but it serves almost no purpose except to tell what people think of an article in an unusable for editors way.

Now, I don't know if this is possible, but I think it would be useful to categorize every article according to the rating they get. Categories would be in the form of Category:1 star article, Category:1 ½ star article, etc. and unrated articles. Not only would this allow users to find poor articles it also would make such articles better.

My second proposal might be harder to do, but it is useful (in my opinion) notheless. I think we should make every section rate-able. The hearts would be hidden and only appear if we click the small "rate this section" next to the section title. Then, depending on the wiki capabilities and user-frindliness, either a popup window would appear (similar to when creating/moving articles) or the hearts would appear right next to the section header (similar to Template:Hidden). An individual rating for each section will allow better targeting of areas of an article that need to be improved. Only until a certain level will headers have rating enabled by default and there will be also headers with rating disabled (ex: template:===norate or something similar).

If a rating for each section is installed, we would have to make the article rating either completely or atleast partially dependable of each individual section's rating.

Proposal 1 - Categorize each article according to it's rating, allowing for easy search of poor articles and improvement to be brought upon them.

Proposal 2 - Add an indvidual rating for each section, allowing to target areas of an article that needs improvement.

Quest point cape.pngTalk Newbie856 edit count Nomad guideMusic icon.png 00:15, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


Support - As a nominator. Quest point cape.pngTalk Newbie856 edit count Nomad guideMusic icon.png 00:15, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Because my face explodes thinking about how much work that would be, either of them. ajr 01:19, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Isn't there a way to, say, create a template which would be added on every article, and said template would search the source code of the article page to see the current rating?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Newbie856 (talk).

Oppose - Rating articles is unneeded and useless. Having a system for categorization more so. I'd rather keep #star-rating-row {display:none} in my global to prevent knowing that there is such a thing. I could bet few even use it. Ryan PM 02:01, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I oppose this for the same reason that I oppose basing our efforts on the results of polls-they are too easily manipulated and generally do not offer a representative sample of our viewership. In this case, the rating system is even more obscure and even less used than polls, so the results are even less reliable. Furthermore, as was mentioned above, creating such categories are unnecessary work. --LiquidTalk 02:21, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Adding and removing categories based on source code sounds like something a bot could do, so I don't think that the "unnecessary work" argument counts for much. However, I do agree that the rating system is far from an accurate representation of the article's quality. Leftiness 03:49, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Per above. We should just get rid of it for whole wiki in my opinion. HaloTalk 04:13, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - The shear work involved is staggering... Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 04:28, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Strong oppose - Per all. 222 talk 06:13, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Too much work for what it would achieve. The rating system needs some work, on Wikia's part. For starters, the hearts look horrid >.> Chicken7 >talk 07:31, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Way too much work. bad_fetustalk 08:21, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per all BUKKITZ WEEL SMITE YOU!!!Murd3rlogistTalk Contribs Sign here 10:43, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

This request for closure was denied A user has requested closure for Improving the Rating System. Request denied. The reason given was: no

Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 10:45, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

*head implodes* Chicken7 >talk 11:56, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
It was only created today, wait a little. bad_fetustalk 12:03, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
Fine but I'm getting my snow shovel. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 12:09, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I thought since we wanted more non-user opinion (IPs) from this wiki (such as surveys) this might have been a good idea. Also, I tried the rating system, you can't rate more than once per account/IP (even after clearing cookies) so I don't think that it'll be too easily manipulable (is that a word?) unless of course, rating good articles badly, but even the survey isn't proof of that and it's there. Also, it would just be used to see if there are articles in dire need of improvement that aren't tagged anyhow for it, I don't see how this would dis-benefit (again, is that a word?) the Wiki. I would even be willing to make the bot if someone showed me how they work. Although, I agree that proposal two is way too hard to achieve (atleast now) and I removed it from the list. Quest point cape.pngTalk Newbie856 edit count Nomad guideMusic icon.png 13:26, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

The words you're searching for are "manipulated" and "detriment." Also, the survey is a good example for supporting this. The survey was passed for the sole purpose of providing a general idea of what the non-registered audience thinks. The results are not end-all, meaning we don't make decisions based solely on the survey. I think that the rating system could work just as effectively as the survey. Leftiness 19:51, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Personally I thought it was a great idea, though it may be quite a handful to actually find and categorize ALL of the articles (though I am getting 99 Cooking, so I need something to do!) IF it helps any at this point, I Support--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 15:27, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Personally, I'm not a big fan of the rating system. As far as I know, it's not very extensively used, and it would be very difficult to get all, or even the majority, of articles rated accurately. However, if the rating system were more extensive and already well-established, this could work. Suppa chuppa Talk 21:03, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

That was supposed to be an oppose, not sure what I was thinking. It's pretty much out of question. Suppa chuppa Talk 02:58, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - It will be nearly impossible to keep the categories up to date with the rating of the article considering how often they may change. The work involved is so jaw-dropping it's not worth it for a feature that may be out-of-date the next week. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 21:45, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for Improving the Rating System. Request complete. The reason given was: complete

222 talk 07:08, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

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Closed - The proposal will not be implemented. C.ChiamTalk 12:30, August 13, 2010 (UTC)