Forum:Images of Jmods policy

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Apparently there's no policy regarding the images of Jmods. Personally I dislike having instagram-esque pictures on the wiki. I do understand people wanting to put a face to name, so I'm not against having pictures of Jmods in general, but this should be regulated.

  • A. Keep the status quo, no regulation
  • B. Make a standard that Jmod picture should adhere to (including existing pictures), e.g. no filters (this is an example)

Regardless of the outcome, images of living people should be added to RS:IMAGE as they currently are not mentioned at all.

The reason to start this forum are several images which imo are not wiki worthy, e.g. File:Mod Kari.png, File:Mod Scorpio.jpg, and File:Mod Badlands.jpg. I have a feeling people feel the need to just have *any* picture instead of having a proper one. I'd rather have no picture than have a random one from social media. In this case Mod Kari didn't mind personally, but also wanted a better one to replace it.

Discussion[edit source]

Support B - Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 13:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - no fun allowed Chen (talk) 13:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - UCS applys here I feel. Choose OptionTalk-to MitcheII Slayer of Imps (skill: 2,530). . . . . . . . . . real life easter egg, :wowee: don't tell anyone though! Talk-to MitcheII Slayer of Imps (skill: 2,530) 13:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

If common sense was used, this thread wouldn't exist. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 16:23, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Yet we're here... HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).pngChompy_bird_hat_ogre_marksman.pngCrystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 01:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - Any decent image is a good image My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 13:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, but it appears decent isn't defined very well. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 16:23, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - I'd rather have a photo than no photo. If there is a public photo of a person, we should use it. Even if they are using a filter to an extent. As long as the person is clearly visible, it's fine. jayden 14:21, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I disagree. We shouldn't just use *any* picture just to have one. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 16:23, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - As long as the Mod in question is the main focus in the picture, I'm fine with it. Talk-to Kelsey 15:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

In equip images we just want the equipped item or group of equipped items with no distractions. Why should Jmod pics be any different? Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 16:23, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Are you really comparing real people's pictures to pictures we can retake an infinite amount of times with the exact environment and conditions we want them in? Talk-to Kelsey 18:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes. :Wowee: Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - as per Jayden. Fire cape detail.png TzTok-Gas TM 16:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - Meeeeerds msg 16:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Comment - Does anyone know how other wikis handle this? Couldn't find something atm. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 16:23, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Betsan found a wikipedia one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#Pertinence_and_encyclopedic_nature#Image_quality Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 16:38, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
The first that come to mind are Minecraft and Call of Duty wikis, which don't have any particular guidelines regarding them. As examples, Dinnerbone has a slightly filtered pic from a group picture, Mark Lamia has a rather "official" picture and Kevin Sherwood has a picture that's, let's say, descriptive of his role. I don't recall seeing many employee images on other wikis that were all too formal, either. --laagone talk 16:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Question/Comment — Where would you propose to draw the line — is it adequate that the images are: unfiltered (unlike File:Mod Kari.png); not otherwise typical of social media pictures (e.g. mirror selfies; unlike File:Mod Moon.jpg); they show the person head-on rather than from the side (unlike File:Mod Orion.jpg); in an official capacity (like File:Mod Poerkie.png)? Depending on the level of standardization this policy would enforce, I feel it would be problematic to get proper pictures of some Jmods that currently use a "questionable" one. I personally believe that for this matter, something is better than nothing, and unlike images of in-game subjects, better ones are hard to come by — that is, unless we ask them for ones, but it might not be viable especially if former mods are included. --laagone talk 16:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: while I generally like consistency, considering that these are people rather than inanimate or digital objects, I don't mind having varying pictures of different natures to show they are regular people rather than — to exaggerate — a photo gallery of pure headshots as it would be rather monotonous. --laagone talk 17:04, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't suggest we should make them monotonous, for instance I don't mind the one of Orion, Poerkie, and Shauny. Variety is good. It doesn't need to be completely serious (see File:Mod Shauny.jpg). However the image needs to have some quality, e.g. not have a filter or be a mirror selfie. I still stand by my point that not just any image should be used just because there is none. The focus should be more on their contributions rather than making sure they have an image just for the sake of having one. The point of this thread was to get some opinions on where the line should be drawn. Unfortunately people seem to prefer the status quo and don't really offer feedback, but just dismiss it entirely. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 17:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - I am not opposed to a guideline rather than a strict rule for B, as yes it would clearly be more professional/preferred to have a non-filter picture over a filter picture where available. However a filter picture is better than none if that's all that's available Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

A guideline would be good. It doesn't need to be a strict rule, although I'd still prefer no picture over something for the sake of having something. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - Although the real question is whether we should have the same picture on both OSW and RSW for the same Jagex Mod. See for an example the picture for Mod Archie on OSW and on RSW. --Sinister clown face chathead (male).png Tzar Talk 18:30, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

And the OSW Jagex Moderator page also makes me question whether we also should have Twitter handles of Jagex Mods on the RSW. --Sinister clown face chathead (male).png Tzar Talk 18:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
I guess it would make sense to have the same picture on both RSW and OSW. As for the twitter handle we could add that to RSW. What happens though if a jmod leaves and changes their handle to something else and makes it a personal account? Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
I would say keep the handle the same but note that it's dead, then. it's mean to be for "jmod" them and not their other work/personal life/etc, after all. Chen (talk) 19:21, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense. :) Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - Yeah a professional image is preferred but I don't think there's anything wrong with a social media style image if we can't get one. It's the same principle as game images on the wiki - we have standards that we strive to meet but if we are unable to we accept lower quality images in the meantime. --LiquidTalk 18:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

The issue though is that it's easier to obtain in-game images than is it Jmod pictures. As well as that the former is usually more pressing as in people want to see it and the latter apparently doesn't affect people to take action to remedy it. And for that reason I don't see why we should have inferior images until the end of times just to have an image. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - For the reasons others mentioned, and also because it seems very hard to create some standard to adhere to without being super strict. As long as the mod in question is the primary subject, and a filter doesn't completely obscure them it's fine. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 21:22, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Support A - At the end of the day as long as there's a face put to the name and it's clearly obvious then what's the harm? Talk to me ShaunyMy contributions 21:33, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

A - HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).pngChompy_bird_hat_ogre_marksman.pngCrystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 01:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with Liquid on this, it's similar to us not outright deleting images of anything in-game if they're not up to standard. Instead we leave them be so we have something in place until a better image can be obtained. So I'd say keep the "social media-y" ones, but if a better quality, professional style image is then obtained, that should be preferred. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 20:50, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Question - If we don't have an image, whether that's because it's not yet available or because B passes, does it really affect anything? It's not like we're going to miss seeing them in the street because the picture wasn't on the wiki. cqm talk 21:12, 6 February 2020 (UTC)