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I have laid the idea on the table - As the threadmaker. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 16:30, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I really like the idea of our own cloak. Not too fond of having to change our name, but so be it. I'd prefer #rswiki as the new name, as it's shorter, already redirects to #wikia-runescape, and is simpler to type. As for the cloak itself, my vote goes with @runescapewiki. Regarding group contacts, I'd recommend Gaz, Kevin and Ty, as they are active and I trust them to represent us well. Ronan Talk 16:40, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather not be a contact. I'm not even sure if I'm on board with this proposal yet. --LiquidTalk 18:22, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Good idea, and I nominate Cook and Gaz for GCs. ajr 17:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support - *Insert mass rantyness here on how much Wikia suck" RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 17:39, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - Just FYI in case anyone brings it up, the Wikia cloak project was keeled. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 17:42, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Sounds good. I suggest Cook, Gaz and Zammy as contacts. I agree the CG account would be better. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 17:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

We still need a list of people able to access the contact account. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 13:39, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
Oh yeah, make that "I suggest Cook, Gaz and Zammy as contacts using the CG account." JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 14:56, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I'd come use the irc more, just for the coolness of having such a cloak. MarshP 18:01, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support given that the Wikia project cloaks are going away. Having more control over who gets cloaks is definitely going to be a good thing as well. Per Liquidhelium Ronan, #rswiki would be a good channel name, and I nominate Cook to be the liaison with Wikia since he is already the liaison with fansites. Liquid, Suppa and Ty would be good too.

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18:44, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Suppa wouldn't be good as he's going inactive soon. ajr 19:01, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Somewhat support - I was initially a bit concerned about the changeover process, but it seems that it should go smoothly. As for the name, I think #rswiki would probably be better as a channel name, and @runescapewiki is fine for a cloak.

I'm willing to be a group contact if it's needed, though I hear that Sacre Fi might do it instead. Sacre would probably be better than me in terms of time zones, as Sacre in PST is farther from Gareth GMT than myself in EST is, which allows them to have less overlap in their active hours, and hence allows more hours to be covered. (If possible, however, I think it would be nice to have more than 3 group contacts to cover a few more time zones.) --LiquidTalk 20:58, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

There are generally only two GCs allowed. ajr 21:00, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
??? Since when? Ronan Talk 21:39, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
Oh. Why are we talking of 3 then? --LiquidTalk 21:03, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
People are uneducated? :p ajr 21:05, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, then. Here's my take: I think Gareth is the best option for someone in the European time zones. Between myself and Ty, I personally think I'd be better, as I'm generally still on the IRC after Ty sleeps (earlier hours can be covered by Gareth). Between myself and Sacre, he'd be better if he stays long-term, as he's 3 hours behind me and he has an even crazier sleep schedule than I do. As for Cook, I don't think he's in the IRC enough. --LiquidTalk 21:11, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
u jelly of my sleep schedule? I do plan on staying long-term, especially in IRC. --Sαcrε (edit my sig) | (edit my user page) 21:19, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Comment – fwiw, freenode has two group registration forms, GRF and GRF-f. I'd advise you to file a grf-f like Wookieepedia did. Not only is it way faster (seriously, the old GRF can take up to a year, while the new one takes around two weeks), but the primary group contact also needs to give out less personal information. The grf-f form is here and and info on grf vs grf-f can be found here. 1358 (Talk) 21:41, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support - It would be great to be able to give cloaks at our own discretion. But how will moving channels affect the CVN? Matt (t) 22:27, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

The CVN channel would stay the same. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 22:34, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support- Even though I go into IRC for a few minutes for an admin (Usually that's the only reason), I don't see any problem with it. Lol Hair 23:23, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Per all. 222 talk 02:14, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Makes sense, and I'd say cook and Gaz would be good as the contacts. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 02:19, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Support - --Iiii I I I 02:32, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I'm taking it is also because of the former #wikia channel becoming ##wikia as it's not really a discussion about Wikia from what I understand? Reason for no cloak from Wikia anymore, however will we still have Sannse or other staff still flagged in this new channel? Other than that, I have nothing against @runescapewiki as a cloak or the channel name. Ryan PM 02:48, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

There is no reason to give staff rights in the channel. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 04:55, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Question - How important is it that the cloak be the same as the channel name? It would be nice in terms of consistency, but might also result in the case where one of the two is annoyingly lengthy. --LiquidTalk 02:52, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - Has anyone mentioned we used to be an independent IRC channel? We were called something like #runescapewiki. And if I'm not mistaken, the new name and rules were forced upon us. >_> Chicken7 >talk 06:20, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Wikia has told us that we can get an independent channel if we so desire. Matt (t) 06:22, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
Why don't we just switch servers now. (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:23, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
nty, I like freenode bad_fetustalk 09:34, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
^ Ronan Talk 16:13, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
We were #rswiki. I still have the logs. Christine 01:36, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - my vote is to move back to #rswiki, personally. The channel's locked down atm (was to prevent confusion, we had it redirect to #wikia-runescape for a time) but I have access and can unlock it for us and move the admin list, if that's the decision that is made. Christine 01:56, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Christine; rswiki is nice and short. ajr 03:40, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - In regards to group contacts, we could have an account entirely for the group contacts to use. That way, we could give lots of people access to it , allowing greater time for request completion. This also solves the inactivity problem - if one of the GCs goes inactive, we simply give someone else the password. I'd be willing to volunteer as a GC as well if we did it this way (though I will be going inactive in about six months). ajr 03:40, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

For once, Ajr came up with a genius idea. I support the proposition of a GC account. --LiquidTalk 03:56, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. We should probably set it up on some shared email account with email memos to ensure people can see if it has messages without having to actually log into it. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 04:09, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support GC account too - Just for the record. Ronan Talk 16:26, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Notice - I've gone ahead and created a GC account ([email protected], rswikigc on Freenode). I can give the password to whoever is chosen as a GC at the end of the discussion (and I can be disallowed access if for some reason people don't trust me with it). ajr 16:22, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be best if we get consensus for the contacts first. They can then establish an account that only they should be able to access. Ronan Talk 16:30, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I've just done. As I said, the passwords can be changed if people don't want me as one. ajr 16:31, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
I mean the account name should be agreed upon and created after this discussion by the chosen contacts, not randomly halfway through it. Ronan Talk 16:36, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
You probably have a point there... guess I wanted to get the ball rolling. It's there if we decide to use that name, anyways. ajr 16:38, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
On a side note, and taking into account the fact that nobody has supported me as GC, I am withdrawing my expressed interest. People who have more time to spend on IRC would be better with that. ajr 16:48, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - What do you guys think of using @cloak/admin/username and @cloak/bot/username for admins and bots respectively? I mentioned it in the proposal, but I think we should have a small bit of discussion on it. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 18:33, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see the point. Most admins use auto-op (the exceptions are generally well-known), and we only have two resident bots. --LiquidTalk 18:34, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
But you also didn't see the point in the cloaks, but you are supporting them now. :P svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 18:38, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
That's true. But, for a separate cloak, I really do think it's more hassle than it's worth. What is the benefit to identifying administrators/bots by whois? It would be very annoying and time consuming to whois everyone to find an admin (looking at the op list is much quicker), and bots have "bot" somewhere in their names. --LiquidTalk 18:43, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
The bot one is probably a good idea, I don't really mind on the admin one, as I can't see it doing anything useful. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 00:51, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
Bot cloaks sound good, admin cloaks, eh. I don't feel strongly either way. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 02:12, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
No, we don't need to have administrator cloaks. Not all admins are operators either. Bot cloaks are fine though. Ryan PM 02:46, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Strong support - Considering Wikia no longer wish to maintain a presence on IRC, and that unaffiliated cloaks are quite frankly useless since they aren't classed as a project cloak, this is an excellent substitution. Smuff [kthnxbai] 20:28, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Comment on GCs - For these, I'd suggest Gareth, myself, Ty, and someone from the Australian time zone (I'd say Glenn). I think that between Ty and I, we'd cover the US time zones. Gareth can get the European time zones, and Glenn can fill in whatever's left for this section of the globe. --LiquidTalk 01:12, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I should probably state that I'm okay with being a GC as I haven't on wiki before. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 02:12, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Comment on cloaks for admins - seeing as RS:AEAE i dont support a different cloak for admins, as it could be seen as a status symbol.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KDanger100 (talk) on 02:07, 30 January 2012 (UTC).

What about those who are ops? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:01, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Comment and stuff - On channel name, #rswiki is my preferred option. Cloaks, @runescapewiki. And on a topic that may or may not be mentioned later, restructuring IRC, I'm fine with it as it is now really, though I don't really mind if it is. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 02:12, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Strong Support - As someone who is often in the IRC, albeit often quiet spoken, I feel that our own IRC Cloak is a very good idea. In terms of channel name #rswiki is great and @runescapewiki is appropriate for a Cloak. Raglough 08:09, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Bump

Seeing as this thread had not been edited for several days, I thought I'd shove it along a bit. There is a clear consensus to establish an independent cloak (@runescapewiki) and to rename our channel #rswiki. A group contact e-mail account shall be created by the chosen contacts when this thread is closed. The two contacts currently receiving the most support are Gaz Lloyd and Cook Me Plox. Liquidhelium and TyA have also received sufficient support, but the community has not yet specified how many contacts we wish to have. If we are happy to have four, I think we should settle on the remaining issues (regarding separate admin and bot cloaks) and close this relatively shortly. Ronan Talk 21:37, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Support for the larger proposal from me, but are you sure a seperate e-mail address needs to be formed? One of the two/four (I think four is best) will just be the primary contact and the rest will just be secondary contacts, we already trust Gaz Lloyd to not run off with the in-game Clan Chat, so I'm sure he'd be fine as a primary contact & to help establish everyone else as secondaries. RSDaftVader 22:41, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
It's quite difficult to run off with a Clan Chat. The e-mail account is just for shared communication and ease of usability between the contacts. Ronan Talk 22:45, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Support; oppose bot and sysop cloaks - I'm good with Gaz, Cook, Liquid, and Zamorak being the contacts, but don't see the use for separate cloaks for sysops or bots. Hofmic Talk 23:18, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Bot cloaks could be very useful; easy to identify bots. Sysop isn't needed as much, but still could come in use. ajr 04:07, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Comment -- If you send in a GRF, be sure to use this form, its much faster than a regular GRF.

  1. REDIRECT User:Kerri Amber/s.js 04:06, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - The channel #rswiki has been established for use. The #wikia-runescape channel will be gradually phased out. Please discuss other issues, like the General Contacts and cloaks, below. --LiquidTalk 03:26, February 6, 2012 (UTC)