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This thread was archived on 12 July 2012 by AndorinKato.

I'd like to request IRC Operator flags in #rswiki. I previously had them til.... Less than 5 minutes ago. Christine removed them. She said it was because I continually voiced users after being told to stop. I will admit to voicing users. However, the voicing users doesn't make them any more powerful as most of you already know. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 02:47, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

And thebrains222's and I's +V flag too, as every other op has it. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 03:35, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


Support - He does things. Hair 02:52, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support - And the things he does are not bad.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 02:53, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Strong support - Sorry Christine, but you're just being ridiculous. For one thing, since voicing people for fun does not hurt the channel in any way, there is nothing wrong with what ty did. Second, as you're following a non-existant policy on voicing, you did not have the right to remove his op rights in the first place. Third, per the second reason, status-quo would require Tyler to have his op rights until this thread ends as the current policies say so. bad_fetustalk 02:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. And while we're at it, let's make sure Christine understands the role and responsibilities of a channel manager. Unilaterally stripping an established operator of their op flag without a community discussion (edit:and without the backing of any official policies) is an abuse of power. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 02:55, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support - TyA is a completely competent IRC op and should not have had his operator flags taken away in the first place.

  1. REDIRECT User:Kerri Amber/s.js 03:15, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


[email protected] ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ head -n 1 *rswiki*

==> FreeNode-#rswiki.log <==
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 17 17:40:29 2012

[email protected] ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ grep -- "Christine.* sets mode: -v " *rswiki*

FreeNode-#rswiki.log:Jun 14 21:05:55 * ChristineV sets mode: -v np
FreeNode-#rswiki.log:Jun 19 23:15:01 * ChristineV sets mode: -v a_proofje
FreeNode-#rswiki.log:Jun 29 06:53:41 * ChristineV sets mode: -v a_proofreader
FreeNode-#rswiki.log:Jul 11 22:42:46 * ChristineV sets mode: -v np

[email protected] ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ grep -C 40 -- "Christine.* sets mode: -v " *rswiki*

FreeNode-#rswiki.log:Jun 14 21:05:55 * ChristineV sets mode: -v np
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 14 21:05:57 ChristineV ...
FreeNode-#rswiki.log:Jun 19 23:15:01 * ChristineV sets mode: -v a_proofje
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 19 23:15:05 sacje lol my roommate would flip out sometimes too, that was somewhat amusing sometimes
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 19 23:15:07 ChristineV I'm going to deop whoever keeps doing that
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 19 23:15:08 Panjy16 lol my video started playing even though the ad was still going on
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 19 23:15:14 * sacje hides
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 19 23:15:18 ChristineV stop it.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 19 23:15:21 Rag Christine why?
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:53:37 * ChristineV sets mode: -o a_proofreader
FreeNode-#rswiki.log:Jun 29 06:53:41 * ChristineV sets mode: -v a_proofreader
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:53:51 Days|11 wut
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:53:58 Days|11 since when did proof have op status
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:54:06 ChristineV didn't. wrong button.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:54:10 Days|11 oic
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:54:20 Days|11 someone was asking for op status earlier
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:54:28 Days|11 enigma or something like that
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:54:40 ChristineV tell them to send me a memo. going to work.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:55:08 ChristineV he doesn't even chat on irc. I don't see why he needs op.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:55:28 Days|11 he was in the chat for a while
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:55:31 Days|11 who knows
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:55:42 Days|11 enjoy your day at work
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:56:01 * Quits: [email protected]/christinev: 
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:56:23 * Joins: [email protected](IP)-
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:56:23 * Quits: [email protected](IP)-: Changing host
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:56:23 * Joins: [email protected]/christinev
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:56:23 * ChanServ sets mode: +o ChristineV
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:56:57 * P_0_T`off is now known as P_0_T
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:59:17 ChristineV I am removing op from the next person who gives voice to any nick that is not RuneScript
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 06:59:54 * Gaz hugs christine
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:00:14 ChristineV I don't care, this is getting ridiculous.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:00:23 Days|11 whats the problem with one person having voice
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:00:32 _2 nothings ridiculous here
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:00:38 Days|11 specifically a_proofreader
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:00:47 ChristineV It's not one person, they're doing it to a bunch of people. Just mostly proof.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:01:02 _2 there is no regulation against it
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:01:30 ChristineV voice is used to distinguish the bot for newcomers.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:01:58 _2 we tell people about the bot for newcomers.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:05 Days|11 should evilbot and bullbot get voice
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:07 ChristineV no you don't.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:17 _2 i'd voice you rag, but i cbf kicking up a stink tonight
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:20 ChristineV no, because evilbot itself often gets muted.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:32 _2 bullbot hasnt been muted
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:35 _2 neither has tybot
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:42 Michagogo !level thieving 73
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:43 * RuneScript :D\-< ¤.¡*°*¡.¤Woo! Congrats on Thieving level 73 Michagogo!!¤.¡*°*¡.¤ :D/-<
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:48 ChristineV tybot has been in here for only a few days. no one has ever voiced the bots
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:49 Michagogo tybot and bullbot don't need to be known
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jun 29 07:02:51 ChristineV you only voice people
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:37:28 Queen ChristineV: Can I have +v? <3
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:37:32 Andorin you, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:37:46 Queen Since I seem to be the only op that doesn't have +v
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:37:54 Queen Besides brains
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:01 bad_fetus Can I have +v too?
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:03 Queen And Rsa
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:05 bad_fetus because I'm cool like that
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:09 Queen Wait, no rsa has it
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:13 ChristineV no
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:22 Exor_Solieve can I have +b? I've been a bad boy~
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:23 Furry can i haz +V cuz i boss
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:47 Queen I would've sworn I used to have +v
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:38:55 * Andorin waits for the scholarly gentleman to upload it
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:39:09 ChristineV you did. now you don't.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:39:24 Queen Why don't I anymore?
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:39:48 Andorin because D:< fffffuuuuuuuuuu
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:40:08 ChristineV because I told you to stop voicing people and you didn't listen.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:40:11 AmerikajinDesu Christine can I have +F
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:40:31 Queen I was voicing people with my op
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:40:34 Queen Not my +v
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:40:41 Queen Hence np over there
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:41:02 np :/
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:41:20 * ChanServ sets mode: -o RuneScapeWiki Queen
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:41:20 * ChanServ sets mode: -v RuneScript
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:41:46 Queen @[[Forum:IRC Op for User:TyA]]
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:41:46 bullbot
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:42:06 np !translate de>en schwer
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:42:06 -RuneScript- *** [ ERROR ]: "de>en" is not a valid language selection: Albanian Arabic Bulgarian Catalan Simple-Chinese-CN Traditional-Chinese-TW Croatian Czech Danish Dutch English Estonian Filipino Finnish French Galician German Greek Hebrew Hindi Hungarian Indonesian Italian Japanese Korean Latvian Lithuanian Maltese Norwegian Persian Polish Portuguese Romanian Russian Serbian Slovak Slovenian Spanish Swedish Thai Turkish Ukrainian Vietnamese
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:42:12 np !translate German schwer
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:42:12 -RuneScript- *** [ TRANSLATE->DE ]:|de|schwer
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:42:27 ChristineV alright then.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:42:37 ChristineV this laptop is really shitty 
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:42:38 ChristineV I just dced
FreeNode-#rswiki.log:Jul 11 22:42:46 * ChristineV sets mode: -v np
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:43:10 bad_fetus [05:41:16] * ChanServ removes voice from RuneScript
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:43:11 bad_fetus eh
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:43:17 Queen Will I get my op back?
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:43:22 Andorin Exor_Solieve: I fail to notice any particular difference between the new bandos and the recent bandos
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:43:43 Exor_Solieve I think it just was to fix the graphical glitches
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:43:49 Exor_Solieve the female model was horrid
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:44:19 bad_fetus @[[Forum:desysop ty]]
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:44:19 bullbot
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:45:04 Andorin ChristineV: Why have you just removed Ty's op privileges?
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:45:33 ChristineV because he's abusing them and has been warned at least 2 but probably 3 or 4 times to stop.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:45:42 Andorin Abusing them how?
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:45:58 Queen Please remove Liquid's, Cook's, Fetus's, and Joey's then.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:46:23 ChristineV I didn't warn all of them
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:46:29 ChristineV haven't seen that happening
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:46:39 ChristineV sacre did it I think but he stopped afaik,
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:46:41 ChristineV -,
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:46:49 bad_fetus Andorin, for giving some people voices as far as I can tell
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:46:51 Andorin I was not aware that channel managers could strip ops of their flags without community consensus.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:46:51 bad_fetus which is ridiculous
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:10 ChristineV voice is to distinguish bots.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:20 Andorin By which policy?
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:24 ChristineV you've been told to stop and didn't.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:27 bad_fetus honestly?
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:34 ChristineV proof is not special and should not get opped
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:44 bad_fetus proof didn't get opped
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:46 ChristineV for the same reason you had to stop voicing courts
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:47 * King sets mode: +v RuneScript
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:48 ChristineV whoever did that.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:47:59 * King goes back to research
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:07 AmerikajinDesu Christine if that is sound logic we should voice Evilbot, bullbot et cetera
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:07 bad_fetus so what if someone got voiced
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:12 Andorin The policy on voicing is very unoffiical
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:15 bad_fetus how does it hurt the channel in any way
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:20 ChristineV we should
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:20 * Quits: [email protected]/Cpl-Bohater: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:21 Andorin You cannot make these decisions as though the policy is official.
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:24 bad_fetus that's ridiculous
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:27 Queen
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:31 ChristineV because any nick with a symbol distinguishes a user
FreeNode-#rswiki.log-Jul 11 22:48:35 ChristineV and again proof is not special

Four devoices from Christine from April to now. All were after someone voiced me. Three warnings. (Liquid also devoiced users that another op had voiced, but didn't warn any op about it.)

 a proofreader ▸ 

03:17, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Nothing in a policy linked from RS:IRC prevented whoever voiced users from doing so. There does not seem to be any strong consensus to keep RuneScript voiced or to keep it unvoiced, nor is there consensus to keep users voiced or to keep them unvoiced. Voice is also different from op, in that it doesn't give power to kick or ban, only to speak when an op sets mode +m (Moderated/Mute).

 a proofreader ▸ 

03:17, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Question - Why do wiki administrators need to request operator status in the IRC...? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 03:32, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

They don't. The problem is that Christine decided to remove Ty's op status out of nowhere thanks to some non-existant policy she is following. bad_fetustalk 03:34, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Well, she shouldn't do that. <.< sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 03:35, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - RS:IRC#Voice_policy mentions nothing about bots at all. Probably should be revised after this mess is straightened out. User:Exor Solieve 03:40, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

The voice policy for #rswiki doesn't really exist. Not officially, anyway. Voices are kind of just handed out on a whim, to and by whoever feels like it at the time. Christine is acting as though there is an absolute voice policy for the channel, when there is not. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 03:43, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Because that is for a different channel. Christine (talk) 03:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
That #Voice_policy section is for #cvn-wikia-runescape.  a proofreader ▸  03:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support - He gives me food. Also, I see voices being given and taken away all the time, it is merely humor and nothing more. S T Y G 04:23, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Bad decision. ʞooɔ 04:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support & Comment - With the request Christine gets a formal warning or powers revoked Cursed Pyres (talk) 04:50, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - He doesn't bake me enough pastries. </sarcasm> — Enigma 05:57, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support - In all seriousness, though, Christine's decision was rather rash and unwarranted. — Enigma 05:57, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Strong support - Ty is an excellent op and it is nothing more than an abuse for power to deop an operator that has done nothing wrong. Abuses of power cannot be tolerated, especially when the user holds the position of channel manager and founder. Even more if they cite a non-existent rule. The voice function on the #rswiki channel is used only for giving RuneScript a shiny yellow identification circle-badge (in my client) and when operators feel like arbitrarily voicing users for fun. Voices have been given since the beginning of time, until Christine embarked on her one-person crusade in defence of a rule that does not even exist. Voice is near impossible to abuse, unless the channel is in +m moderated mode, which it isn't; or the person is +q quieted, which never happens (unless myself or other ops are doing it for fun). I've been "warned" before, and I'd contribute to the logs being posted but I'm scared of the labyrinth of text I would have to navigate to find them. 222 talk 06:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Strong support - This is bullshit. If there would have to be a thread, it would have to be Christine requesting TyA's operator status to be removed, not the other way around. Christine doesn't have the manager status so that she can just remove statuses from other users whenever she wants. I think it would be good to give TyA back his rights, and let this thread continue to see if the consensus turns out to be any different than that, and remove the rights again if that is the case. I don't see how this is not going to pass though. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 09:57, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Strong support - Matt (t) 10:03, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for IRC Op for User:TyA. Request complete. The reason given was: This is not an issue requiring consensus. Ty has the right to op powers unless we remove them, and Christine or any other +f needs to restore Ty's op flags immediately.

Michagogo (talk) 10:19, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - Per Michagogo's post, TyA's op privileges have been restored. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 10:32, July 12, 2012 (UTC)