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This thread was archived on 7 November 2009 by Psycho Robot.

When I first started I had no idea how to do citations. It was only when I copied an existing citation that I found out about the <ref> tag and it was even longer, after several months, that I found the cite web template. Citations are not covered in the Style guide, and I have looked but could not find them explained any other place. I think they're important so they should definitely have a tutorial for new users knocking around somewhere here! That said, I took it upon myself to read through Wikipedia's footnote's article and write a draft version of a citation guide on my sandbox.

The purpose of this thread is to:

  • Extend an open invitation for users to edit the draft guide on my sandbox to correct or improve the tutorial
  • Collect feedback about the draft so I can correct/improve it
  • Propose that it be formally integrated into the Wiki and linked to from the Style Guide
It should not actually be added ON the guide, since the massive amount of sample reference lists can and probably will interfere with the rest of whatever page its on.

So get to discussing, already! kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - Awesome. I never knew how to either, but now I can. I think we should use them, since they look more professional than just a list of links at the end of the page, or the superscript stuff I tend to use. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 10:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment/question Can you explain your proposal in terms an idiot can understand? Thanks that would be great.--Degenret01 11:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I guess the "policy" bit isn't that big (its mostly just a tutorial), really the only policy part about it is the what should/should not be cited part, and that is rather incomplete. This is mostly just a tutorial that I think should be added to the Style Guide. I did see where I called it a "policy" and that was rather unclear wording, so I just changed that. Sorry for any confusion Lol kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 16:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - This looks like a nice addition to the style guide and will be helpful to show people how to use citations. The more people that use this, the more professional and authoritative the wiki looks. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 19:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - Yes! Cause I don't know how to add citations still! This would really be helpful to new editors and/or people who don't know how (like me) :P Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 02:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - That was very helpful! Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per the above; it'll be a useful addition to the guide. --Quarenon  Talk 21:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Discussion seems to have dried up so... BAM! kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 17:14, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

A request for comment template used to be here. Imagine that you see it.

Support - This is definitely usefull Up emoticon.gif Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 12:47, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Basically support I think more people should be citing sources, especially for quotes and biographical information (such as information on Geoff Iddison and Mark Gerhard). We should aim for our standards to be as high as Wikipedia's, especially as Wikipedia does not have articles for those two individuals above (they redirect to Jagex). Having glanced through the proposed policy, one clarification I would make is for information on updates, which should cite the update page on the RuneScape website as the source in addition to linking to our article on the update (since another wiki article cannot be used as a reliable source). I would also stress that online sources should be archived (for example using WebCite) wherever possible at the time when they are cited, as this is essential in helping to prevent dead links in cited sources. This is especially important for quotes from J-mods on the RuneScape Forums (since threads can disappear in only a few days), and for temporary updates (such as Website Maintenance notifications). I have recently updated the obsolete update template to allow for the latter. If we can get more people doing this competently, it would be fantastic.  :-) Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 23:04, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Firstly I lol'd at this line: "Authors increasingly cite webpages and other digital objects on the Internet, which can "disappear" overnight. In one study published in the journal Science, 13% of Internet references in scholarly articles were inactive after only 27 months." Was this an actual study, or just a "hey lets see how many of these things are still up!" "LOL OK!" In any case, I find this service to be promising. I'll add it to the guide. Also, should we be archiving every web page? You also say we should cite updates in addition to linking to their update pages here on the Wiki, so is there anything you feel we should NOT cite? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 15:40, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
I think we should cite whatever we can, especially factual information (such as levels required and experience gained in doing activities, and dates that things are released or changed). However, we must accept that much of the information on our wiki is unverifiable or requires original research (such as drop tables or which locations tend to be popular), and there may be a certain amount of speculation. This is unavoidable, but should be kept to a minimum in my opinion. So I say: cite anything that can be cited, or (in answer to your question) no, there is nothing we should not cite if we are able to do so. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 13:57, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Support - An extremely good idea. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 12:25, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Question - Should we remove the RFC tag since there is basically unanimous support for this proposal? I say yes... Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:34, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Yea I guess so, time to be bold and just do it. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:36, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - Proposed content added to RuneScape:Style guide/References and Citations kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:22, November 7, 2009 (UTC)