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This thread was archived on 27 April 2012 by AnselaJonla.

Cook's recent proposal has reminded me of another horribly unstandardized area of our wiki, our Glitch pages. First of all, I agree that glitches are to some extent interesting to our readers. Look at Glitch/Player and NPC however. The page is so long and disorganized that chances are it is very rarely read (if ever). Additionally these pages are filled with atrocious spelling and grammar, horrendous formatting, and glitches so obscure that, for all we know, could be made up.

With this in mind, I think it is time to draft up some actual policy on glitches. My thoughts on glitches are as follows:

  • Graphical glitch are almost never notable. They are usually patched quickly and do not have a significant impact on the game.
  • Glitches that manifest themselves over and over again across many updates are notable, but not in their individual instances. I think they should have their own articles (ie Player stretching glitch) that describes the phenomenon and lists a few examples, but does not list every single occurrence.
  • Glitches that give players an unfair advantage in game are always notable. (obviously they can only be included after they have been patched)
  • A "Glitch" section should be added to pages about topics that have experienced a number glitches that are not highly notable but still may be interesting to players reading about that topic.
  • The only central glitch page that should exist is Glitch. This page should include an explanation of bugs/glitches, the reporting process, and navbox including links to the most notable glitches. The lists of glitches need to go. If they are not notable to have their article, or specific enough to be mentioned on another existing page, they has no place here.

These are just my personal opinions, and I really want to hear what other people think so hopefully we can get a solid policy hammered out. Using my ideas listed above, I've drafted out a starting point for Runescape:Glitch policy.

Note: This draft has been modified heavily. See the bottom of this post for the updated version
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This page in a nutshell:
Although RuneScape experiences many bugs and glitches, very few of them are notable enough for inclusion on the RuneScape Wki

As with any piece of software, RuneScape suffers from a large number of bugs and glitches. Because of the volume of bugs and glitches, it is impossible to include them all on our wiki. Please adhere to the following guidelines when adding information about glitches to the wiki:

  • Graphical glitches are not notable - Unless a graphical glitch appears repeatedly across many updates, or causes a massive disturbance within the game to causing widespread response by both players and Jagex, it is not notable. Glitches that occur multiple times across many updates should have their own page describing the overall phenomenon of the glitch, but not each individual instances.
  • Don't create lists of glitches - The Glitch article is meant only to provide information on the general phenomenon of glitches and the glitch reporting process. Excessive linking to individual glitch pages from this page is not permitted.
  • Glitches that have not been patched - If a glitch has not been patched and is giving players an unfair advantage in the game, information about it may not be included here until it is fixed. Minor glitches that do not give players an advantage may be included before they are patched.
  • Glitches that give players an advantage are notable - If a past glitch gave players an unfair advantage, it is notable and deserves its own article.

In addition, I believe it would be beneficial to require a separate "glitches" section in articles that contain a number (say 3) of separate glitches to avoid cluttering the trivia section. We also need some guidelines on what images should be deleted. The past discussion lead to weak guidelines at best, so again we need to hammer out some actual policy to clean up our glitch information.

tl;dr - Our glitch articles suck and our standards for glitch information are nonexistent. It's time to fix it up.

Comment/criticize/suggest. ---Aburnett(Talk) 21:06, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Edit: A new draft of the policy can be found at User:Aburnett/Glitch --Aburnett(Talk) 01:06, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
A mock-up of a "persistant glitch" article can be found at User:Aburnett/Graphical stretching glitch. --Aburnett(Talk) 03:00, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - Makes sense to me. [1] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 21:09, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Support - maybe it would stem the tide of glitch images that come in every time there is an update. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 21:11, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

'Support - Graphical glitches are included as trivia mostly, which, I must say, ALSO needs a better policy. But that should be for another time. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 21:20, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I thought RS:TRIVIA was pretty well summed up. If you see a glitch in trivia, it should be removed or given its own section like the trivia policy says (not that everyone follows that policy, just wanted to let you know in case you were unaware). (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 01:39, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Good idea, but it's going to take a lot of work67.166.186.3 00:10, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Strong support - A bit back, I moved glitches into rough categories at the request of another editor, but was uncertain about removing most content because we lacked a clear policy on glitches. I agree, a page specifically for stretching glitches would be far superior to a dozen instances of it. Most graphical glitches could be roughly summed up in this one page, with a short description of what happens and one or two examples. The huge image gallery at the bottom of Glitch should be axed (at the pleasure of our beloved sysops), and only noteworthy glitches should be mentioned, with the most noteworthy (those on the main glitch article) having their own pages to elaborate (for example, the infamous Falador massacre).

To sum that up, I support your proposal in entirety, though believe the major glitches should be split into subpages (in other words, unchanged, since they already have subpages), and will be happy to help do this if (or more likely "when") this thread passes. Hofmic Talk 00:17, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I've fleshed out a more complete version of the policy. Changes are welcome. I decided to glitches down into categories based on their notability and then provide guidelines on editing based on that. The draft can be found at User:Aburnett/Glitch. --Aburnett(Talk) 01:06, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. It seems a bit wordy, but really does fit things well. Hofmic Talk 01:10, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support I agree...fix it 16px‎AtlandyBeer.png 01:08, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support most - I like all ideas except the one where we should make separate pages for repeated glitches (like your example - stretching). Maybe instead we should have one page which lists all in a fashionable manner and link to it from the Glitches page. "Durr but that's basically what we do nao!" Yeah, but I can't think of any other ideas and having one page dedicated to a head stretching glitch seems really immature/stoopid. <.< sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 01:39, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not talking about just head stretching, I'm talking about creating an article that covers all graphical stretching on players/npcs/monsters. The articles would remain sufficiently broad to avoid our current problem of hundreds of entries on what is essentially the same glitch. I believe the Glitch/whatever pages were the first incarnation of the one page solution you are talking about. You can see how those fall apart over time. --Aburnett(Talk) 02:11, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, okay, but I still don't think I understand lol. So you say you want to create an article that covers everthing, but then you say The articles would remain... which confuzzles me. >.< sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 02:15, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Let me attempt to deconfuzzle you. Keep in what I am saying here about the stretching is just an example of one of a number of articles that will be created on different topics. So, for example, I want to create an article that covers everything related to NPC/character/monster stretching. The article would give a general description of the the stretching phenomenon, some details on its repeated appearance in the game, a few images, and any other relevant info. The focus of this article will be broad enough so that whenever something in the game causes something else to stretch, the basic idea of the glitch is covered by this article. This format would also be used to create other articles about other glitches (ie missing NPCs, floating scenery features, and baldness). The idea here is to create an article that gives details on glitches in general way such that even if a glitch of that type occurs in the future, the article still adequately explains it. I'm going to create a mock-up article aswell so we can all get a better feel for how these articles will look. Hopefully that helped? =P --Aburnett(Talk) 02:32, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Mock up at User:Aburnett/Graphical stretching glitch. --Aburnett(Talk) 03:00, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, that works. (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 03:01, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support - We need a policy for glitches instead of blanking Trivia sections and shuffling various glitches into places on an ad hoc basis. This proposal fits the bill nicely. 222 talk 12:47, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for Glitch policy. Request complete. The reason given was: Let's git 'er done. I volunteer to tackle that page.

Hofmic Talk 22:30, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - the glitch policy as linked above by Aburnett will be put into force. Hofmic has volunteered to handle the changes. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 22:51, April 27, 2012 (UTC)