Forum:Glitch directive - invalid?
This was added in September 2008 or so by an editor: "NOTE: All glitches listed on this page have been fixed by Jagex. Please do not list any glitches that have not been fixed yet."
Since this is a major page directive that has not met any discussion, I would like to begin discussion.
My position is to replace the text with the mention of secondary link to unfixed glitches. It is not the rswiki's job to enforce Jagex's in-game and forum discussion rules. (ie: rules that state that players should not discuss glitches -- fixed/unfixed is not specified, I believe.)
--Agamemnus 13:50, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
- You are asking me to read that which you apparently haven't carefully read yourself... That says nothing about glitches. Also: most websites are filtered on their chat filter, so would you suggest that the RS wiki filter all website links, too? --Agamemnus 17:51, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Glitches such as the dungeoneering song one (where it said "This track unlocks default info" or whatever), are fine in my opinion. But things that game the system, (such as the large experience gains per nature rune), should not be brought up on the wiki until they are fixed. Because that will cause people to try them, one giving us a bad name, and two giving us vandals when Jagex bans them. HaloTalk 15:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. I think that is a sensible position --Agamemnus 17:56, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - I should mention that unfixed glitches along the lines of what Halo said already appear on the wiki; generally, they are on the page that deals with the glitched item, scattered throughout the wiki, instead of in a compiled list. --LiquidTalk 23:09, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - Per Halo.00:33, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
- You didn't even read what he said, did you? :S --Agamemnus 15:06, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - As the RSwiki is representing a fansite of Runescape, it is essential that glitches and bugs are discouraged to widespead for fellow players to follow. Even harmless glitches are not desired by Jagex. However the glitch page exists to inform players about the history of Runescape. Rewlf2 08:15, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
- That doesn't make sense... Harmless glitches, or harmful glitches, aren't desired by anyone, but Jagex introduces game-breaking bugs into half of its updates. Here's another thing you could have stated starting with the exact same premise: "As the RSwiki is representing a fansite of Runescape, it is essential that people know of any harmful glitches that will damage their account." --Agamemnus 15:08, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - If this goes through, we might as well as a directory for all the best botting sites.08:38, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Botting and glitches are two completely different subjects.--Agamemnus 15:08, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Please keep in mind that glitches/bugs fall into three distinct categories:
- Bugs that give players a large unfair advantage.
- Bugs that can potentially harm player accounts.
- Relatively harmless bugs, such as visual bugs or bugs that inconvenience, but don't permanently harm, player accounts.
Also note that bugs are not bots/macros, odd intended balancing by Jagex, or anything else. Bugs are unintended errors in the game code. --Agamemnus 15:14, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - Because it isn't correct to list such things. List a bug doesn't help the wiki and it does not help Jagex maintain their game. the RuneScape wiki exists as a knowledge base, not a way to game the system. Legitimacy is better than listing unfixed bugs. Such as when the dragon bolt dupe glitch occurred, the article lasted only a short time and was deleted because it gave an unfair advantage. It was also being massively hidden on RSOF. There is no valid reason to list unfixed glitches performed by the player noting that things like the Judge's hair would be listed in the Court Cases article as they don't do interact or enhance anything for the player. You do not have to comment on every person's decision for opposition who do not think as you wish. Ryan PM 21:59, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Closed - Glitches that have been fixed or glitches that do not abuse a malfunction in the game code (meaning they can not be used to gain an advantage in game) will be allowed, but others will not. The creator has agreed this is a reasonable approach, and I am closing this to avoid further arguments on both sides (because everyone really agrees, but doesn't understand that the other person does as well). As we obviously will not under any circumstances list ways to give an unfair advantage by abusing the game code, there is nothing further to discuss here. HaloTalk 00:31, September 5, 2010 (UTC)