Forum:Giving users with rollback the noratelimits right

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This thread was archived on 8 July 2010 by Degenret01.

I often move lots of pages to their correct locations. Not an everyday thing, but it happens on occasion. The throttle limit is at 2. Meaning after a non-sysop moves 2 pages, they get cut off...for around 4-5 minutes, never timed it, so not sure of exact time. I find this very annoying. It's workable sure, but it interrupts my progress when I am working on moving large amounts of pages, and if there was a way to change this, I'd be willing to give it a try. Ajr said Wikia could change it such that users with rollback would have the "noratelimits" right, meaning they wouldn't be caught by this throttle, which would be very beneficial to some of us. Maybe we would need to be more particular with who we give rollback too, but I can't say I've seen any vandalism by a user with the rollback tool. I'm sure it has happened, but that it is also a rare occurrence. Basically, I (and several other users) would find this helpful, even though it's not essential. HaloTalk 03:51, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Note: Please also see the discussion on increasing the requirements for the rollback group at Forum:Additional requirements for the rollback group.

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Support - As nominator. HaloTalk 03:51, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - The scourge of the movers "Action Throttled". Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 03:57, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I highly doubt that any user that has already proven themselves to be trustworthy enough to handle the rollback tool is going to abuse the noratelimit user right, and I know that if I were in your shoes I would be quite annoyed at having to wait 4-5 minutes every 2 page moves. This will make it easier for you, so why not? Andrew talk 04:26, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per Soldier, this would only make lives easier. ajr 04:27, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I support removing the move page limit for all autoconfirmed users, whether they have the rollback tool or not. Undoing page moves is just as easy as undoing any other vandalism. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:34, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ajr mentioned this. I kind of agree, but normal users can't undo page moves (because it goes to a redirect, and you can only move over a redirect if it was created as a redirect, and not later changed to one.) So if a sysop wasn't around...things could get very ugly fast. I'm not ruling it out, but I'd like to see what other people have to say first. HaloTalk 04:39, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Hi, like Hal said, I had briefly gone over this before on the CC. It really isn't hard to become autoconfirmed, as all you need is 10 edits and a 4 day old account. The issue wouldn't actually be moving pages over redirect; if you moved User:Ajraddatz to amgnublet, any user would be able to revert that move and move the page back over redirect, because all of the edits to User:Ajraddatz were moved to amgnublet, and amgnublet only has one revision; that of a redirection. The issue is that it would get really messy if anyone even semi-committed to trolling learnt how to use the Move button in nasty ways. I would recommend the additional level of trust, and therefor security, associated with adding this right to the rollback group. ajr 05:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per everyone. Sadly, this does not allow the ability to suppress a redirect nor the ability to do the same for files (while I do see why this is initially administrative tools to begin with), but I digress. This would help those who need it. Ryan PM 04:53, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - This is a very helpful thing. However, I don't believe extending this to autoconfirmed users is a good idea. It could be misused greatly. ʞooɔ 05:07, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - That will be very helpful.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 05:13, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - per all. How about we make an additional category of users, like with 200 edits and a couple of weeks old account. 222 talk 06:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

We can't actually do that. It all has to go through wikia, and we would need a helluva good reason to do that. HaloTalk 06:26, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
True. Rollback group more or less serves the same purpose. On a related note, can we change the permissions for the rollback group (i.e, move without throttle) by ourselves, or would we need wikia? ʞooɔ 07:06, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Ajr said we need Wikia. HaloTalk 07:10, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Wikia has to edit the PHP files for this wiki to make any permissions changes. Andrew talk 07:15, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
They actually use a fancy extension on central to enabled such changes ^.^ (Via [[w:c:community:Special:Wikifactory]]) ajr 14:09, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Using [[mw:Extension:WikiFactory|Extension:WikiFactory]]. ⁓ Hello71 22:06, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Looks like a lot of people are gonna be requesting Rollback permissions, incl. me 222 talk 10:41, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Very helpful. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 07:12, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per others. bad_fetustalk 10:43, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - This will most definitely make these page moves faster, and easier, to do. And if a user does abuse the moving, it doesn't take much to move it back and place a deletion tag on the redirect page. ~MuzTalk 11:54, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Noratelimits doesn't just effect page move limits, if effects any right with limits and removes them. This means that rollbackers will be able to create as many accounts as they want to as well as move as many pages as they want to. That shouldn't really effect anything, but it is handy to know. ajr 14:09, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Will be handy for a lot of users. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 14:41, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - per Halo LordDarkPhantom 18:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - It would be really easy for Wikia to extend noratelimit to rollbackers (it's only one strip of code), but it's a matter of if they will allow it to be done or not. I will contact them and see if they are willing and will close the discussion if they will not regardless of the consensus. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:07, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's only been open for 2 days. Give it some time and I'll contact them early next week. HaloTalk 12:58, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Also, I want to wait till we are about to reach a verdict on the other thread. HaloTalk 12:59, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
I believe you misunderstood what he said, he isn't saying that he'll apply the changes right away, he is just saying that he will ask the wiki staff if they'd be willing to do it if this passes. bad_fetustalk 13:02, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
He's assuming we have consensus. Which while it may be true, 2 days is not long enough to assume which way a thread has gone. I'm not saying we won't get consensus, I'm merely saying that we need to wait and give everyone a say. Especially since it's a holiday weekend for many people and they might be traveling, out of the house, or spending time with their families. HaloTalk 13:11, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
He's not assuming consensus. He is just going to ask the wiki staff if its possible for them to do this, as there's no point of discussing over this if they are not willing to do it. bad_fetustalk 13:13, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Hmmmm....still seems to early to bother them. I suppose as long as he makes it clear we want to make sure that everyone is on board with this idea before we go ahead with it. HaloTalk 13:20, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Chess is correct, I am well aware we have no consensus. There is no point in continuing this discussion if Wikia will not even apply the changes, so I am ensuring we are not wasting our time. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:56, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Wikia will allow the changes if we have consensus. ajr 15:19, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support - If wikia can do this, I'm all for it. --FarxodorTalk 15:16, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Sounds good. Question, will this add another "tag" under Special:Userrights? As in a tags like "rollback, sysop, staff, helper, etc". No bid deal I guess; just curious. Chicken7 >talk 12:47, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Support + Comment - It won't add any new "tags", as it doesn't add a new userright, it just edits one (Special:ListGroupRights). User:Tedjuh10 12:51, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? It will modify the group-rollback to include both rollback and noratelimit, which has been done. ajr 18:21, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - Per the fact that this has been implemented. ajr 23:45, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Closed Implemented.--Degenret01 00:05, July 8, 2010 (UTC)