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This thread was archived on 2 September 2010 by Ajraddatz.

I have a widget that shows all the current problem reports, but almost all of them are useless. Either they are vandalism reports that should be going to the CVU, requests that should be going to RS:AR, or problems that the reporting user themselves should be fixing instead of listing all the problems they have with an article. In fact, I have never observed an instance where the problem report system helped us at all. Via CSS, we can remove the report button from pages, which I see as the best option for this situation.

As far as I know, if somebody who understands what the problem reports are for needs to use one, they can still fill one out by going to a special page. This proposal is only to remove the button from articles.

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Discussion

Support - As nom. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:26, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion - We could replace the link with a link to the CVU "report vandalism on this page" and to UH "report a format problem on this page" since that's 90% of the problem reports I get. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 18:38, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Support Psycho's suggestion - It removes it, but also provides helpful links. HaloTalk 18:55, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Support the insane automaton's suggestion - Per Hal. ajr 19:58, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Do you know how to do that? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:42, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
It should be possible via cssjs; I've done something similar before. ajr 00:43, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Support Psycho's suggestion - But I don't think CSS can actually add a link, so I suggest it's done purely through Javascript. However, if Ajrabbitz or someone else can figure out a way to do it with CSS (or if Mediawiki settings can do it) then by all means, change it. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 00:55, August 1, 2010 (UTC) 

Changed to neutral - Per opposers below. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 19:24, August 1, 2010 (UTC) 
My bad, it is css that covers the existing one, and js that adds the new link. It's been a long day :P ajr 00:58, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Looking at the Problem report log, we get about 1 a day... that's not terrible, you're not getting swamped by these. Why not just add a link to the CVU with the problem reporter, like what we do with the "My watchlist" thing in the corner, that way people will know that the CVU exists and when a genuine problem comes up you still report it and if the page is vandalised they can report it. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 01:13, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

It's not a problem with us being swamped by bad reports, it's that those reports should be going somewhere else. Any bug reports could just as easily be reported via Special:Contact and skip the step of an admin marking them for Wikia help. The Problem report system is not even remotely helping us anymore. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 11:00, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Although majority of problem reports are vandalism or content reports, there are cases where it is a bug or something similar. Then we need to contact Wikia Staff, and the problem report system is fastest feasible way to contact them, I believe. But I'm willing to let this pass. So be it; let MediaWiki bugs and glitches run free. Chicken7 >talk 01:21, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - As Evil said, there's only around one problem report per day. But I'm not really bothered by this so I'm gonna be neutral. However, those options about vandalised pages, incorrect content whatever should be removed. 222 talk 01:24, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Support Psycho's idea - Per ajr. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 05:42, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I think that this feature was originally automatically added to all wikias as a way to combat vandalism. It's not doing any harm, although I do agree it's not as effective as the CVU. I personally have the problem report widget, so I see it immediately and should be left open as another way to get help. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 06:18, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Problem reports are still a tool we use to report and track bugs in the wiki software, something that the CVU does not do. --Aburnett(Talk) 16:50, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Compromise - Add a link to the CVU saying "Report vandalism on this page", we could even use .js to auto-fill a basic report saying "There is vandalism on Abyssal whip" since users might not know how to report otherwise, and then we keep the link to problem reports, but change it to say "Report other problems on this page". We filter out most of the erroneous reports, and still get it for the very few real reports taht come in. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 19:30, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Support that. --Aburnett(Talk) 21:38, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
Conditional support Psycho's - Only on the condition that it is an addition, and not a replacement. So that is, problem report and CVU links. Oppose just CVU Chicken7 >talk 08:44, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
Support what Chicken said - Also, isn't this what I said? Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 01:33, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per nom.Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 21:48, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Support original proposal - Really, what's the point of them? --LiquidTalk 23:07, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

To use to report a wide variety of problems with conveniently. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 05:54, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - The original purpose was so that all of Wikia could see it where staffers could potentially deal with issues on less moderated wikis. The CVU and many, many active administrators cover what this tool used to accomplish. As stated earlier, any user or anon can accomplish this easier through RS:AR, RS:CVU and RS:UH. Where problem reports, as far as I know, are only closed after an administrator has checked it (unlike the user help project here) the UH project can be easily dealt with by sysops and non-sysops to fix many issues that are normally reported using this fossil of a report. I really don't see a point in keeping it (I know I don't see it in Monobook or Wikiaphone). Ryan PM 05:40, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


This request for closure was denied A user has requested closure for Get Rid of Problem Reports. Request denied. The reason given was: A few weeks of no discussion is not enough for closure. The thread has not run its course.

Matt (t) 10:28, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just a random note, the original proposal would be put into place with this styling:

#articleFooterActions2 > li:nth-child(2) {
      display: none;
}

Note that obviously this won't work with the current stable versions of Internet Explorer because Internet Explorer sucks. ShinyUnown T | C | E 00:09, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment Just to let you know ahead of time, "'Report a Problem' links will also be discontinued with the new skin." So it's no longer in question whether we have to remove them. Ryan PM 23:37, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Since Wikia will remove them with the updated skin. ajr 23:39, September 2, 2010 (UTC)