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This thread was archived on 26 July 2009 by Azaz129.

With the creation of the new bots that are updating the GE prices quite often (I think a few times a day?), should we not allow ip's to edit these pages? First, the bots should have the most updated prices therefore updates should not be needed. Second, if you look at many ip contributions to the GE (while many are fine) many others are either vandalism or people who do not understand how to edit these pages. With the creation of the new bots, updating these pages may become obsolete ‎Easter egg.pngAtlandy 14:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - Most of the anonymous edits to the GEMW pages have been intentional or unintentional vandalism. Semi-protecting all of them (I don't know if this would be possible automatically) would probably be a good way to knock out most of the GEMW vandalism. ~Nightgunner5 talkTranshttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/8/8a/Botcrown.PNGhttp://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7190/skilliconfletching11.gif 14:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Even though I highly agree with this, I still think our motto, "The RuneScape fansite that anyone can edit!" would interfere with this. Even though most IP edits regarding the GEMW pages are not the best, I still feel like not letting them edit those pages might discourage some of them. Just a thought. Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 15:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - This would cut down on the amount of vandalism we deal with everyday. Oh and @Spence: While I agree that not letting them edit those pages might discourage some of them, the number of IPs actually updating the price is greatly outnumbered by the number of IP vandals "updating" the price. C.ChiamTalk 15:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - The bots might go wrong and we might as well let i.p.s edit them. --Joe Click Here for Awesomeness15:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

That statement does not make sense. If the bots "go wrong", do you expect an ip to fix it? ‎Easter egg.pngAtlandy 14:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - It would make it a lot easier the having to check each edit to the GEMW pages to make sure there is no vandalism.--Quest point hood.png Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape.png 17:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - As recently as a few hours ago, the GEBot actually managed to blank several GE price templates (yes, complete deletion!). I managed to correct the GE templates for Chinchompa, Honey badger pouch and Polar kebbit fur, but I expect there to have been many more mistakes. Since obviously the GEBot still has several flaws and bugs, protecting the GE templates is not a very good idea, because it will probably only lead to us being unable to correct the doings of faulty scripting. On a side note: I have contacted Nightgunner about this, but he is unable to tell why the GEBot is faulty at the time I am writing this message. A magic scroll.png WejerFeather.png 18:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Although GEBot has blanked a few pages, semi-protecting the Exchange: pages will do more good than bad. For every anonymous user that updates an Exchange: page correctly, I'm guessing there are more than three that either vandalize or incorrectly update the Exchange: pages. Semi-protecting the pages will only block anonymous edits and users under 4 days of age. ~Nightgunner5 talkTranshttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/8/8a/Botcrown.PNGhttp://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7190/skilliconfletching11.gif 18:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - More than half of the time, IPs will:

  1. Enter in false prices or any other sort of vandalism
  2. Update the price but not update the times correctly (if updated at all)
  3. Do anything else that isn't correct

This forces us to make many reverts every day and have to clean up their sloppiness. The bots will do it correctly and automatically, which makes the intervention only needed by people who know what they're doing (registered people, mainly veteraned users). While, yes, one of this site's two mottos says that it's a RuneScape fansite that anyone can edit, we could always mess around in MediaWiki a message to appear to any IP trying to edit a GEMW that "The Grand Exchange Market Watch (GEMW) feature to the RuneScape Wiki is now automated. Thank you for your patronage and support.", or something.

Though, the bots use the GEDB and not the GE to find their prices to enter, right? The GEDB prices aren't exact for most items. Often, they only display prices to the nearest 100,000 coins, as with the GE that displays down to the very exact price. With things like Dragon chainbodies, for days on end, they could be listed at 5,100,000 coins, when they may be rising and dropping as much as 25,000 a day. For this reason, registered users who know what they're doing would be able to update the GEMW alongside the bots. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 22:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes the GEDB prices are rounded, using the GE itself would mean using a special client and would probably break RS ToS. Rich Farmbrough, 21:22 20 March 2009 (GMT).
Is this a dead issue? I feel as an admin most of my reverting is done to GE pages ‎Easter egg.pngAtlandy 15:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Support What Chiafriend said. I don't want to see a dragon hatchet priced at 7 million again. Magic-icon.png Killr Talk Strength-icon.png 17:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose on the basic grounds that "anybody can edit". I do understand the arguments regarding the lack of a real need for anonymous users (aka "ip users") to update the GE prices, but this seems like a real slippery slope issue if we even have a portion of our site restricted from editing. I'd call this weak opposition on the surface, but I'd turn that to strong opposition if the idea ever gets to the point that it is restricting registered users. The bots aren't always perfect, and as has been demonstrated, some items do have their prices change at times and with frequencies more often than is typical for bots to keep up with them. BTW, I view the GEMW pages as a sort of vandal sand trap that collects and redirects those who would do damage elsewhere in the wiki. It is usually very easy to fix the pages (especially with the next bot-driven page update) and I don't mind finding out who the rowdy idiots might be that love to cause damage. I don't think the amount of vandalism is significantly more or less than it was before the GEMW was originally established, and blocking IP addresses here may very likely move this sort of vandalism to other parts of the wiki. --Robert Horning 13:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - The bots, as mentioned before, sometimes incorrectly update or will update making the current price 1 coin, and I believe sometimes they've even blanked a page on occasion. Afterwards, I have found multiple IP edits that, while usually incorrectly, at least tried to update the price to the correct price. What I mean by tried is, for example, on a blank GE page, they simply only entered the price rather than the template, or put the current price on the bottom of the article. While they are both incorrect, it shows that IP's do try to help, they just don't understand the correct procedures. Furthermore, I think many people use our training guides and calculators, and if the bot hasn't updated recently, or used the website price rather than the exact price, it could throw them off. The bots update prices that are rounded. For example, something that really could be 12,454 coins would be updated to 12,500, or something similar (just an example). While the difference seems small, when you're spending tens of millions of coins power-training or something, that little difference adds up. Many IP's edit prices that are used in the calculators to exact in-game prices. I find it very helpful to have exact prices on some things, and I don't think that blocking IP edits on exchange articles would be in the greater interest of the wiki. While the majority of exchange vandalism are IP edits, many of them are legit. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 14:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I would support if our bots worked all the time, but like Karlis pointed out, a lot of IPs do at least make an effort to update the price, even if they do it incorrectly. I say we should try to get our bots working at 100%, and then implement this. (I'm not too sure how all the bots work, pardon my ignorance.) - Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 17:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)