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This thread was archived on 25 December 2014 by Liquidhelium.

Family trees have been the center of discussion several times (at least in Special:Chat). I personally don't see any reason to keep these, as they add close to no information to an article. Because of that, I would like to know whether you would like to keep family trees around. User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 16:01, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

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Remove - As thread-starter. User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 16:01, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose - They are good for quickly displaying if some NPCs have a family tree (a nice bit of lore so to say), and I don't see any harm of them being around. Ozank Cx 16:14, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

God dammit Psi, I was going to make a thread about this. I propose that we only use family trees that have more than 5 entries. They really help for big families (e.g. {{Family tree Golrie}}) but they're useless for small families like {{Family tree Rehnison}} Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:20, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Agree with Oil User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 18:29, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose - I believe family trees serve an important function and removing them isn't the way to go. However, trees with 3 or less entries are a debatable case because plain text can relay such information equally well. I'd definitely eliminate any 2-entry trees, if such even exist. Still, Oil's threshold of 5 seems too high for me. 5-x Talk 18:53, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Determining whether a family tree is useful should be a matter of common sense. A family tree of mother, father and 3 children is much less interesting (and can easily be conveyed in a text paragraph) compared to a family tree of a father, child, uncle and his (the latter's) wife and father (as a random example). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:04, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
Billy Rehnison - Need I say more User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 19:05, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
So you'd say instead of number of entries, judge on number of branches, layers, or something else? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:44, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Agree with Oil - However if the small trees are kept, then the family info should be removed in relevant NPC's descriptions, as Billy/Martha/Milli Rehnison unnecessarily have both the family tree and family info in their descriptions (whereas Ted Rehnison just has the tree). Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 20:30, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm - I've enjoyed family trees - they've taken me to interesting deceased NPC articles that had history behind them. Figuring out which trees should stay and which should go... That's messy. I can't see us coming to a logical consensus (What if there are 3 dead NPC siblings with interesting histories? They wouldn't fall into the suggested criteria). Why don't we either make the trees visually smaller, or give them a show/hide button? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:40, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

A show/hide button would be like shoving dirty laundry under the bed. It's not a good idea. MolMan 21:41, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
I don't consider family trees "dirty laundry" though. It was just a suggestion so that they don't take up so much space. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 22:15, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
They're laundry. The dirty part is how ugly they are. As I'm typing this, I'm also working on Module:Family tree, which will obsolete the wiki text, be more efficient, more flexible, and, most importantly, be much easier to change the stylings of. MolMan 22:23, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose - But then I'm biased. Seriously though, I've taken three people and two generations as the minimum threshold (pleonasm...) when making the trees. The smallest trees may not be as useful as the larger ones (e.g. Remanis), but they certainly do no harm. I agree with Star that they can substitute any prose descriptions though. Ted Rehnison is fine, whereas Billy...yeah... Either way, the family trees show family relations, sometimes straightforward, sometimes complicated, at a glance, which is advantageous. Also, they look quite nice if I say so myself. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 07:20, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't edit the wiki very much, but I do use it...a lot. I've found them helpful and I do like the look of them. They often lead me to interesting places out of sheer curiosity, even when there have only been three people on them.  I don't think they necessarily need to substitue the prose descriptions, either.  Imagine how dull poor Billy's page would be if all he had was a tree, or a line and a half of copy. Plus, I'd imagine some people prefer to read the detailed description and others prefer the at-a-glance style of the trees, so both have merit.  Leave them be.  I like it the way it is. Farming-icon.png Ms ZuZu Talk Quest icon fixed.png 08:57, December 19, 2014 (UTC)


This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for Family trees - Keep or leave?. Request complete. The reason given was: The Mol Man has modulised family trees in the meantime, making it easier to produce better-looking ones. In addition, the general consensus is that they should not be removed.

User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 09:50, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Closed - Family trees will not be removed. However, please exercise some judgment when making family trees over appropriateness of size. A two-person family tree (in any arrangement) would be very boring, for example. --LiquidTalk 06:58, December 25, 2014 (UTC)