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Hi. Just to explain that this thread was originally created by Dalek Sec to propose the first 4 friends chats. I have changed the formatting of the thread so that each FC has its own section to allow further nominations to be made on this thread by other users, rather than having multiple threads about this. Hopefully I have preserved the content of the of the discussion so far - please feel free to amend how I have edited your comments if you want to.

Please consider the guidelines on RuneScape:Whitelisted Friends Chats. Additionally it may be helpful to state which page(s) that you think the template should be added to if the nomination is successful.

Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 11:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Slayer Dungs[edit source]

Purpose: Sharing and hosting personal slayer dungeons in the sunken pyramid for players over 99 slayer. For example, if a player wants to kill some Capsarii they can go to this FC and see if there's someone online with these monsters in their slayer dungeon. All dungeons offered by the people in the fc are 100% free of charge.
Extra info: RS Forums thread & Spreadsheet used by the FC

My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 19:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion[edit source]

Support - This space suit the criteria for whitelisting FCs. It is a perfect examples of how this system should be utilised. Grace (talk) 08:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - slayer dungs\' spreadsheet was last updated 2019, and the FC doesn't look active at all. Elkswampdog (talk) 09:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - Per above jayden 11:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Elk. Talk to Kelsey 12:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - Elaine (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - I personally believe player run systems shouldn't be on the wiki which is for in-game documentation, however the Wiki performs an ancillary task of facilitating gameplay (some people view this as the primary function) and due to that gameplay is improved by FCs being mentioned in relevant articles. Not having FCs on the Wiki in the first place is also an easy way to avoid the messiness of individuals. Elaine (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
We had a discussion about reversing the rule against FC mentions on the wiki open for 3 months, closed 3 days ago. It would have been helpful to comment in the original discussion if you feel so strongly about this. It is of course your prerogative, but it's not really helpful to blanket oppose all the nominations at the point when we've moved on to deciding FCs' suitability based on the criteria that has already been discussed in the previous thread. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - just clarifying, the FC is indeed active and has been consistently active since Menaphos was released. The old spreadsheet not being maintained doesn't make the FC inactive. Grace (talk) 02:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - the FC may not be active all the time but I'm assuming its not completely dead. It's 2021 and the playerbase is smaller than it was in the past - I'm not sure expecting constant activity for chats is realistic for most activities. This seems like it still has some activity and would be useful for players. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - There was no consensus to go ahead with this proposal in the previous discussion, hence I have to oppose all nominations. 5-x Talk 15:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Are we reading the same forum thread? User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 15:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't know what forum thread you're reading, sorry. 5-x Talk 16:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
How do you reason there was no consensus in the original thread despite the closing statement clearly saying there is? User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 16:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I read the (very short) discussion under the original proposal. There were more reservations about parts of the proposal than actual support. The topic was not sufficiently debated, despite being open for three months. This topic raises as many questions as the idea to put advertisements for Discord servers in mainspace, and requires strong support before it can be proceed with. Since silence does not imply consensus, that forum should really have been closed in a different fashion. 5-x Talk 16:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Do you disagree with the result? As you point out, 3 months is a fair amount of time where you voiced no concerns and consensus is formed by those who participate. It seems like you're obscuring your disagreement with a thin point of process instead of raising any real objections. cqm talk 19:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Soulobby[edit source]

Purpose: Calling out the locations of soul obelisks, scarabs, corrupted eggs and cats found in Menaphos
Extra info: RS Forums thread

My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 19:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion[edit source]

Support - This space suit the criteria for whitelisting FCs. It is a perfect examples of how this system should be utilised. Grace (talk) 08:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Fine as per my original proposal. Elkswampdog (talk) 09:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - jayden 11:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Have always been a good friends chat ever since Menaphos release. Talk to Kelsey 12:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Used them quite a bit when Menaphos released. Jakesterwars (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Really good FC for getting rep and chilling LapOnTheMoon (talk)

Oppose - Elaine (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Read above comment Elaine (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Suppot - Smithing.pngAescopalus talkCrafting.png 03:40, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Great FC! Used it many a times. Only downside to this is that it doesn't seem to be very well moderated (at least not in my experience). Coins 10000.png Yurple Talk Coins 10000.png 08:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - 5-x Talk 15:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Support User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 15:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Whirlpooldnd[edit source]

Purpose: Calling out whenever a random event occurs at the Deep Sea Fishing hub, with a focus on the Travelling merchant
Extra info: Discord server

My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 19:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion[edit source]

Support - This space suit the criteria for whitelisting FCs. It is a perfect examples of how this system should be utilised. Grace (talk) 08:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Fine as per my original proposal. Elkswampdog (talk) 09:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Is the original owner ("Ai" or something?) of this friends chat still associated with it? I seem to remember them causing several problems in the community and not sure I'd be particularly be comfortable associating with them directly/indirectly. jayden 11:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Same concerns as Jayden above. They had a lot of political issues with their leaders and I'm not sure where that stands currently. Talk to Kelsey 12:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - After some discussion with Luke in discord, seems like Ai isn't around anymore, which alleviates my concerns Talk to Kelsey 16:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - WhirlpoolDnd does seem to meet the current criteria. In regards to the comments above, "Ai" still is the owner of the Discord and the FC account. However, it is the leaders (I am one of four) that actively manage and maintain both. Past issues are not representative of the community we are now and should not be part of the current considerations. Thank you Dalek Sec for the nomination. Luke H (talk) 13:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

So Ai still has complete control? Talk to Kelsey 14:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Just as any owner would, yes. For the last couple years he has left the management of the Discord and FC to the team of Leaders. Luke H (talk) 14:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Then I'm changing my vote to oppose. As long as Ai is the leader and has control to do what he wants, I'm not comfortable supporting this. Talk to Kelsey 14:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
That's fair, I respect your vote. Just as a reminder for others reading this discussion that the main objective here is to include Friends Chats based on players finding them helpful. Who the owner is and how it is managed is irrelevant. Luke H (talk) 14:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
For the benefit of others who may read this and not be familiar with how consensus works, while you or I may consider a piece of rationale irrelevant, a consensus-based system is built on how well opposing parties put their point across. I can put forward an argument, but it's relevance is determined by whether others agree or disagree with it. We don't constrain what a relevant argument is upfront because it evolves with the discussion and is decided by who participates in the discussion.
In this case, I think it's fair game to question the management of the FC if there are concerns, but I appreciate the clarification that past incidents no longer reflect the management of the FC today. cqm talk 21:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - Elaine (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Read above comment Elaine (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - the above discussion regarding Ai is completely irrelevant to the purpose of FC whitelisting. The political and interpersonal issues of a singular person hold absolutely no bearing on the usefulness of the FC for the average player. This FC has consistently been the single most active activity-based FC in Runescape since inception, and meets all the criteria entirely. The rationale to refuse it based on some issues with the original founder is self-serving subjective, imbalanced - and as previously stated, it is irrelevant to the purpose of this project. Grace (talk) 02:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Not At This Time - Not disputing on prevalence or utility, but some of the comments and history aren't giving me a ton of confidence for our inaugural round of whitelisted FCs. Smithing.pngAescopalus talkCrafting.png 03:40, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - I would normally give this a support, but I do know some of the historical drama behind this. A HUGE caveat to that is this: the administrators that are there (and essentiallyl in charge of it) are absolutely fabolous. I know several of them help the Aarchaelogy Team and they've done wonders. I think that if there could be some co-ownership involved, it'd be perfect. Unfortunately I know this is public information, and I really hope I don't get retalation from it, but I don't think it's appropriate for the owner of this FC discord about me to advertise gold swapping. Fix those 2 issues, and I'm all on-board! The FC itself is amazing. Coins 10000.png Yurple Talk Coins 10000.png 08:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - It seems like the administrators have really taken the suggestions here and put them into practice! Hat's off to them, and I change my comment to a support. Coins 10000.png Yurple Talk Coins 10000.png 23:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Support - I'm inclined to give this the benefit of the doubt. I can appreciate everyone's points here about wanting to ensure that we're not associated with chats that are unpleasant but I feel like overall this chat is useful to players, notwithstanding that it may or may not be the best environment. The examples given are mostly relating to the original owner and from some time ago; even recent examples from the forum post are individual player complaints played out over several years.

In any case I really don't think its wise for us to go down the road of assessing whether a friends chat meets an arbitrary level of being a "nice enough" environment for us to associate with it. The emphasis in the original proposal was for the mentions to be heavily caveated by us saying that we do not endorse the chats and I feel strongly that this is the best way to deal with these concerns. In nearly all cases there is not going to be anything concrete for us to point to say that a chat is so truly toxic/unhelpful that we don't want to mention it at all and we'd just be going off second hand complaints about players' experiences. I strongly doubt that there is any RuneScape community where there are not players who have complaints about it or where there is not drama from time to time. I also really dislike the appearance of us setting ourselves up as if we are some kind of gold standard community with the right to cast judgment on others. We are not and discussion along these lines reflects poorly on us. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - 5-x Talk 15:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Support - while there may have been some management issues in the past, Whirlpooldnd is still the de facto friends' chat for finding merchants, and its importance and popularity among the playerbase should not be overlooked. User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 15:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

FishFlingers[edit source]

Purpose: Helping people to obtain the various rewards from Fish Flingers (such as the Fishing outfit for bonus XP and the Tackle boxes for the trimmed completionist cape) by playing the activity together and coordinating calls for the right combinations
Extra info: RS Forums thread

My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 19:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion[edit source]

Support - This space suit the criteria for whitelisting FCs. It is a perfect examples of how this system should be utilised. Grace (talk) 08:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Fine as per my original proposal. Elkswampdog (talk) 09:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - jayden 11:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Talk to Kelsey 12:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Jakesterwars (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - Elaine (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Read above comment Elaine (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Smithing.pngAescopalus talkCrafting.png 03:40, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - LapOnTheMoon (talk) 04:38, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - 5-x Talk 15:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Support User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 15:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Minigames[edit source]

Organising activities around minigames on spotlight and coordinate D&Ds such as Warbands and Goebiebands. RSOF

Discussion[edit source]

Support - as nominator Elkswampdog (talk) 11:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 16:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Forgot to give this support earlier. Hopefully this gets more newbies into Minigames! Coins 10000.png Yurple Talk Coins 10000.png 18:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - 5-x Talk 15:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Support User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 15:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Support LapOnTheMoon (talk) 05:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

World60pengs[edit source]

Weekly Penguin Hide and Seek hunt. The definitive penguin hunting and trapping organisation. RSOF

Discussion[edit source]

Support - as nominator Elkswampdog (talk) 11:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - jayden 11:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Would we mention their website as well, which is heavily used/updated? Wasn't aware they weren't related. Regardless, support Talk to Kelsey 12:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Would also agree with the website mention that KelseW mentioned. Jakesterwars (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Shayani (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - The website is not controlled by Team Penguin, and mention of it in the F.C. is not allowed. -VoidLordXian, Team Peng Captain  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.178.77.134 (talk) on 16:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC).

Support - My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 16:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - Elaine (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Read above comment Elaine (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Suits this project and has been a positive community FC for years upon years. Grace (talk) 02:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - 5-x Talk 15:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Support User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 15:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Support - LapOnTheMoon (talk) 18:43, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Corehunting[edit source]

The FC organises Hall of Memories core parties for fast divination XP. Was the fastest divination xp in the game pre-rework, not sure about post-rework but they look to still be active especially around DXP. Discord

Discussion[edit source]

Support - as nominator Elkswampdog (talk) 11:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Talk to Kelsey 12:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Shayani (talk) 14:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 16:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - LapOnTheMoon (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - Elaine (talk) 02:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Read above comment Elaine (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Grace (talk) 02:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment - Great FC, serves a great niche purpose, however the Original Owner, Insulate, is very busy with IRL stuff. My previous experience there was that there was quite a bit of unnecessary drama, but I'm hopeful that it's been taken care of since then. Coins 10000.png Yurple Talk Coins 10000.png 08:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Support - Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 12:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Oppose - 5-x Talk 15:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Support User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 15:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)