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Hi, I'm not sure how the Yew Grove works yet, I haven't use it yet. I am very familiar with Wikis, though. I mainly edit when not signed in, so I don't have a lot of edits...

I saw the links page, and was wondering who to speak to to have my fansite on that page and what the requirements are.

The Jagex Daily

Thanks in advanced

Teady159 (Jagex name: Judging DnI)

A brief background of TheJagexDaily

TheJagexDaily started out as TheRSDaily.net in October 2009 - the aim, a community for people to talk about RuneScape, there we had around 50 members on the forums - however we soon realised that there are several forums regarding RuneScape and therefore there wasn't much point in the forums, this is when we decided to expand our forums to all of Jagex's games and changed the name to TheJagexDaily, using the domain TheJagexDaily.com. We then decided to have two sections to the website, a news and community section - the community section being run with MyBB free forum software (very limiting) in line with TheRSDaily.net, however we found a better host as most websites do and requested to move there by our then current host and they denied the move, good fight hosting24.. So we cancelled our account there and made a new one with a new host where we reside now using Invision Power Board 3.1 for our forums and wordpress for our core website, I am more than pleased as to the progress of my website and at the moment happy with our current features and staff.  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 

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EDIT: I messed up the title... For future reference how do I edit that? XD  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Teady159 (talk) on 05:51, 24 June 2010.

I fixed the title by moving the page to a new name. Anyways, if you want a discussion to be had as to whether or not the wiki should affiliate, you should probably include a link to your fansite. Also in the future please sign your posts with ~~~~ so we can tell who said what and when. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:53, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

You can tell I am new to the Wiki Forums! ;) I wasn't sure if I would be warned if I gave the link, but here you go: http://thejagexdaily.net. We're working everyday to expand our site... {{yourusername}} 05:58, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I've moved your link to the "proposal" section if that's OK. Also, does your fansite comment on Jagex in general or just specialise in RuneScape? 222 talk 06:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - We cover Funorb, War of Legends, and Runescape, but we no doubt have mostly RS players. We are a mixed content and community fansite, but if we had to choose between the two, it would be community.

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06:42, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support - You seem to have it together. I like the design, and you have lots of great content. ʞooɔ 07:06, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, you might want to remove the Copyright RSWikia part on the bottom of the page. It might give users the impression that we are affiliated with you, which we are not (yet). I understand that you're trying to give us credit, but you should probably do so on a case by case basis, rather on the bottom of your main page. This is just a small suggestion. ʞooɔ 07:10, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I'll have to talk to the Lead Admin (I am head of communications, not the Lead admin) about that. Thanks for the support and feedback. :D

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07:23, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - [Lead Admin @ TJD] ~ We have that there because we sometimes use images from here and we need to express the copyrights behind the image and the creative commons license is on the link. :)  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 

I realize that, but why can't that be done on a case by case basis? ʞooɔ 07:48, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not yet They have some decent content, but is quite sparse. I'd like to see how they are doing in another two to three months, and if they are still active and still making new content, I will reconsider then.--Degenret01 07:38, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Fair. Our site will have much more content then. :)

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07:40, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Can't hurt. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 07:51, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not Yet - Per Degen; it really can't hurt to give them a bit of time and see where they're at. ajr 08:09, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Please do look at the background that I gave you just some information for you to look at and how far we've come.  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 

Comment - Cook, how would we do this, though? As a caption to the picture? For example, "This picture belongs to the Runescape Wiki"?

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08:19, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Suspend and RE:Not YetSupport - Regarding the comments about waiting a few months before re-considering adding a link to them. Is it possible to temporarily suspend discussion on this until the months are over? We need to stop being selfish, what harm could this do to us? Gimme 5 good reasons. 222 talk 08:23, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Note - When we were TheRSDaily we had our affiliate discussion suspended, thus decided to repost now.  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 

Comment - Perhaps we can keep it open and discuss our progress. IMHO, it would be most beneficial. :)

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08:31, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I don't see the problem with posting a link to the site. It's not like we're swearing our undying allegiance to them and promise to worship them. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 08:40, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

lolXD 222 talk 08:41, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, but we are here for worship.. Now bow down to us!

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08:45, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about teady :)  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 

Not yet - The website seems quite well designed, and it does have some content, however, it doesn't seem to have a community, I just checked it's forums, and there were only 34 members. bad_fetustalk 10:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

They're not going to get many more people in their community if they don't get more exposure. While this affiliation may benefit TJD more than us right now, I can see that this site has promise. ʞooɔ 19:00, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support - They have a great design, a good amount of content, a fair community and the site is continually growing. Only benefit can come from this. If we ever get to the stage where we have too many affiliates, we can always suspend some with websites that no longer are active or commonly updated. Also, a little off-topic, but why aren't we affiliated with the FunOrb Wiki? Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 13:12, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not yet - still quite a tiny site. This is just another version of the RSDaily which tried to get a link exchange with us before. Andrew talk 14:57, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - But you have to agree, our design and content is MUCH better than when we were theRSdaily. ;)

Comment - I couldn't disagree more, we've progressed more and are much more stable, we don't intend to shut our doors in the near or distant future and look at our forum software now :)  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing  21:58, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Why? - I don't see much in the way of benefits coming from this. We have a forum, a community, and 15,147 articles at the time of writing. The only service I can see this doing us is providing some of our users with information about non-RS things, though that is not the intention of the wiki. There may be reasons to do this I have not thought of, though I am having a hard time figuring out what they are. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 16:37, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Please read my proceeding post in reply to Andrew.  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing  21:58, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
The other fansites we affiliate with have something to offer the wiki does not or cannot do. TJD does not fill any purpose that would improve the wiki (and providing non-rs information is not the purpose of the wiki to start with), so there is no reason to affiliate but to help your site get more views. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:13, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Well, we would no doubt plan joint events and attend your events; competitions between all of your affiliates and both RSW and TJD would also be planned by us (Or by a few of the fansites coming together and discussing). Basically I wanted to have our communities and our affiliate(s) to join in on community events, competitions, etc.. Like you said, we can offer information on Funorb and WOL games, (Not much info is there just yet) even though it is not needed. Our information is growing day by day, especially now that it's summer and we are finally done with the site updates for now (by site updates, I mean different skins, layouts, etc of our home site). I fully understand if you guys want us to wait a few more months, because I promise you our site will be busting with content. :)

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16:59, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I am a user there and I must say, from when I started there when it was still thersdaily, they were pretty much starting out but if I go there now, I just think back and say to myself "woah! we are already at this stage!?!?". Liam - Beta Tester (talk) 18:11, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

You guys aren't providing us with reasons for exchanging links. All I've seen is "Wow, this site has grown so much!" yet when I look at it I don't see anything that would benefit us from linking with you. Andrew talk 19:01, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
I stated in my last comment that both would be benefitting with community events and competitions, these are just off the top of my head. Once we are affiliated, we will do MUCH more to make your time as an affiliate a lot of fun. We want to make our affiliation one of the best so we stay affiliated (if you guys agree, whether it would be now or later) 19:13, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Andrew is that not what you posted on my last post regarding an affiliation many months ago? OK, so some people fail to see the reason of affiliation, I ask you this - what do any of your current affiliates give you now than we are offering you? The RuneScape Wiki does have a vast amount of articles; however have you not been running for a considerable amount of time longer than us? It's not as if we're asking for all of the forum members at RSW to transfer to TJD... We're saying that we want to be friends with the wiki and that we'll turn up to events and try to organise events with the wiki, affiliations aren't supposed to be both parties merged into one - they are supposed to signify that the websites are friends, even if some members of both parties don't agree. Please consider this.  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing  21:58, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with this. It's not like we're going to be competing for members. ʞooɔ 21:59, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not yet - Per Degen. I like what it looks like so far, but more content+survivability is a must. I wanna see how things go, but I think it's on the right track. Give it a bit to let it run and I'll be able to go from there. HaloTalk 07:20, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Motivating the Content and Development team is a must (I posted a thread explaining our position yesterday in the hidden forums) and I will continue to do it. While I focus on Funorb and WOL, I will let the CAD team focus on RS.

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00:21, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Comment -While I am not yet in favor of a link exchange, I do like the idea of them attending our events and so forth. Maybe that would even spark their CAD team a bit more. But I do want to say, looking for a reason "how does a link exchange benefit us"? Whether they have 50 users or 50000, it can expose us to a new group, and it won't hurt. We have a certain set of criteria we use to decide on a link exchange. No where in that criteris list is a "It must help us". We work on a wiki to share our knowledge, not to be stuck up and closed off. Lets keep that in mind.--Degenret01 01:00, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Support - If this is allowed... I don't think I need reasoning, as I'm the OP... ;)

Thanks for that, Deg. :)

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01:34, June 26, 2010 (UTC) Comment - I think that now that we are established and survivable (we may not have many members, but we have a high percentage of active ones), and our content is growing (Like I said before, we are focusing on FO now, and our focus will switch to RS in the next 4 weeks), we are a proper fansite. What's on the website now is not nearly enough of what we will be having in the future. We plan on adding signature generators, reviews, more databases, and more features (will be approved as they are thought up). We aren't trying to steal your members, and even if we were, do you even think we would succeed (I think not..). Like I said, we mainly want affiliation for events, competitions, and any other ideas we can come up with. Affiliation is about the community not the content, but I can see why you would want us to have content... as it makes us look like a better fansite. :)

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07:26, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I don't see why they want us to have lots and lots of content with the amount of articles they have here?  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing  09:14, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

By that logic why should your fansite exist at all when between us, the FunOrb wiki and the War of Legends wiki we pretty much cover everything you could cover? Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 16:40, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
Going by that opinion, why should any fansite exist when we have wikipedia? Different communities which offer different material (Like I said above, we are planning to add more things; things the wikis don't have). If you take a look at our mainpage, you can see that it offers a central place for all of Jagex' published/developed games. War of Legend's Wiki, Runescape's Wiki, and Funorb's wiki don't offer that. RS wiki and TJD are a bit different (not that different that it wouldn't be smart to affiliate), we offer coverage on 3 of Jagex' websites, not one. Things like signatures, weekly video blogs (on our RS characters of course! ;)) and all major Jagex' news and just 3 things you don't offer that we plan on or already offering to the community. There are also things that RSW offers that TJd doesn't... Like the Yew Grove itself! BUT, we aren't here to determine who has the better fansite/community, because hands down, it's RSW... It's been around for years, and TJD has been around (If you count theRSdaily phase) for only a year. 21:33, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Looks like this discussion has exhausted itself. :/ 04:44, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Who/what determines the end of a Yew Grove vote? So far, the vote is 5 not yet - 6 support 174.54.116.132 18:59, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
At the RS Wiki we aren't a democracy, and as such a proposal doesn't pass on supports alone. Rather, we use a consensus model that takes all arguments into account and determines which side has the best argument. It is that side that ends up "winning". ajr 19:02, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
That would make sense. 19:04, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
We don't vote, things are done by consensus. And sysops will determine what should be done and take appropriate action. (Edit conflicts) HaloTalk 19:05, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
I just said that. But better. :P ajr 19:13, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - AJ, what do you suggest doing to improve our standing? Our Content and Development team is working on a few guides (Including 2 skill guides :)), but other than guides, what content do you think we would benefit from by adding? 19:29, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
You didn't state who decides them however. And Teady. ":"=indent. Don't put them on spaces. They only need to be put at the beginning of your comment, as spaces are essentially indents already. HaloTalk 19:32, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
I had to look back to see what you are talking about, I guess that's from pressing the enter key. 20:22, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Not Yet - As said above you are well organized, got a great layout, etc. However, you don't have longevity yet, as in you haven't existed long enough for my tastes. "It's just links, nothing would be lost", however that means nothing to me. We had to wait for our links to exchange, so I think it's fine that we wait and see if your site wilts or blossoms. It's nothing against you. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 17:33, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Our site is 7 months old, not too young. If you count the days of The Runescape Daily, we're nearly a year old. We're not young - Like said above we've done resets and hosts migrations which reset our member count, which may make us look like were young.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 174.54.116.132 (talk).

Closed - There is no consensus to exchange links with TheJagexDaily at this time; however, they are encouraged to continue growing and to try again in the future when they feel they are ready. Andrew talk 01:54, July 5, 2010 (UTC)