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This thread was archived on 14 September 2009 by Karlis.

As several of you have noticed, my real life friend who plays RuneScape as Mybff created an account on this wiki (User:Mybff) and has started relentlessly falsely accusing me of sockpuppeting; it seems he created this account solely to vote in AOTMs and also always votes against any article I vote for in RS:AOTMs, without ANY idea of how to sign a page! Every time he votes he signs his page with "(mybff)-----------" instead of the obvious "~~~~". And he's constantly ignoring my messages reminding him how to sign talk/runescape pages and to stop voting in AOTMs because of his lack of 50 edits. Look at his editcount and contribs! Almost every one of his edits is a RuneScape: article and focuses on the AOTMs! Clearly he is devoting way too much time to AOTMs. His IP address,, even attempted to vote in the AOTMs!

As if that wasn't enough, here's a little interesting piece of information: as an IP address ( he had vandalized my userpage with 4 bad-faith edits! Fortunately Dr5ag2on1 reverted them and [blocked] him for 2 hours. But 3 months later, as I previously mentioned, that same IP tried to vote in the AOTMs. After I saw his makeshift signature, I knew it had to be Mybff (before I thought the IP was some random angry kid). I asked him in-game if he had voted in that manner, and he said yes, which confirmed my suspicions. Then I asked Azaz to run a checkuser on the user Mybff and his supposed IP He confirmed that they were the same person (proof)!

So this Mybff wrongly votes in AOTMs and vandalized my userpage! I was willing to leave it at that, but he did one more deed that made me create this thread: he and his friend created a RuneScape account together called Richboyfails! This account, shared illegally against the rules of runescape by him and a friend, is flaming me with its very name! And they are training woodcutting with it! If you ask me how I know this, he admitted it to me in real life. Additionally, a few people in the R S Wikia clan chat can testify to it; they saw a user called richboyfails in the clan and told me that richboyfails told them not to tell me about him. Mybff, if you are reading this, don't deny this! You know you did it!

Now I'm seriously tired of Mybff. I feel that he needs some reminder to know better than to constantly bother me. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 23:11, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose ..... Whats wrong? it isnt flaming.. I remember "chiaisanoob" and "chialicius" and chia didnt get angry.. they are just jokes from cc... you seriusly.. just calm down. Defence Waterkunai1 Talk # fluffy bunniesArmadyl symbol.png 23:27, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

First off, I am a proper noun, thank you very much.
Just because I don't display my anger doesn't mean I'm not angry. :P Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 01:50, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Water this is more than just a joke. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 03:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Comment- Zezzima, its funny how you claim that I falsely accused you of sockputting. Are you also saying that I didn't see you, with my own two eyes, go on school computers and create runescape wiki accounts. You admitted to me right when you were doing this, that you were creating accounts to support Lumbridge, your nominated aotm. I told you this was wrong, but you screamed at me, saying that this is for your future carier, that if you gained fame on the runescape wiki, then that you'd become an admin. Is this what lust for power has gotten you? Has your greed gotten the better of you? You told me in real life that you were going to post this, so that i dont go against your aotm, which i did not like. Is there a problem with my opinion? Honestly, is this your honor? You try and get me banned, because you don't think well of me in real life. Tell me why you try and take this out online. Why not confront me in real life. i don't understand humanity anymore. They throw people on the chopping block for their own selfish gain. If this is what we are now, so be it!Mybff 23:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I have tried to confront you in real life but all you do is try to hurriedly change the subject! Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 03:18, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This sounds like a person quarrel. I think it'd be best to discuss this in person between you two. It works better than having to involve the whole community. I'd suggest the personal confrontation (Not a call for violence, I mean peaceful discussion.), then bring it back here. For vandalism, I see it as bannable. If it was a random person you didn't know, bannable. However, you know each other; act like adults, and settle it between yourselves first. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 23:44, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Support ban - It appears to me MyBff is at fault and with his reply in this thread only demonstrated his instigative behavior. On a different note, try to work petty crap like this outside of the wiki. Wrongly voting in AOTM without 50 edits and vandalizing repeatedly are our business, but this richboy account and whatever else shouldn't be mentioned.Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 23:46, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Comment-Just to add, i voted on aotm's before the rule came into effect. I do not vote for them anymore.Mybff 00:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Really? This is actually happening? First, what friends do this, and second, why would they do this. IMO, you both need a 3 day block and your votes in the AOTM voided. This is about a community, not trying to be better than each other. Your fighting and bringing personal issues onto the wiki. It's simple to solve, request a user with the check-user ability to look into the accounts that were made and compare the ip's. But, this is rather childish...

Bonziiznob Talk

00:56, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

You're getting a little out of hand. Why should I be blocked for bringing up what he did? In real life, we don't fight like this and he acts like a best friend forever. It's just that I don't think Mybff is meant for wikis because he suddenly acts a lot different. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 03:18, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

coment-I agree, I'm sorry I added fuel to this already growing flame.Mybff 03:11, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Support Bonziiznob's idea - Enough of this, I say. You two are acting like bickering childeren. — Enigma 12:42, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Zezzima, everybody gets a chance to edit on this wiki, mybff is not any different. Granted you two may not get along, but that doesn't give you the right to say whether someone should or shouldn't contribute to the community. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 12:49, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

2-week block for Mybff and 1-month block for Zezzima - Mybff should naturally be blocked for vandalism for userpages multple times (1 week+), just as any other user would be. On top of that, the fact that he's been feuding with Zezzima for quite a while now, is why I think he should be blocked for 2 weeks.

To Zezzima, from what I found out:

  • Mybff hasn't been "relentlessly falsely accusing you of sockpuppeting" (see here). To which you overreacted saying [1]:
FYI, I believed I told everyone long ago that I asked 2 of my rl friends who played runescape to create accounts and support my aotm. I did NOT CREATE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS TO SUPPORT MY AOTM, AND THEREFORE DID NOT AWARINGLY CHEAT! Admins told me it was meat puppetry and that I'm not supposed to ask others to support!!! So STOP telling everyone false lies about me!! Normally I would start calling you names and cursing at you for being so ignorant, but I'm wary of the RS:UTP unlike someone here. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 14:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
To readers, note the reference to the user treatment policy here.

  • I’ve noticed a large amount of feuds in AotM are caused by you. From what I see, you take AotM as a competition, and get frustrated by people opposing your nominated article and when they support other articles. You also assume bad faith and attack other users when they do so.
Over here, you call Hess36 immature, and jump to the conclusion that he's only opposing your nominated article in favour of his own.
Over here, you immediately jump to the conclusion that Supirion is opposing because he hates you and call him prejudiced.
Over here, for the second time, you attack Hess36, saying that he "FAIL"s and is a traitor.
In all 3 cases, you’ve violated the basic fundamentals of the User Treatment Policy, which is to be civil.

It is also worth noting that in many occasions Zezzima has typed messages with the text capitalised, which is equivalent to shouting. Also, from May to September, in the AotM process for every month, you have in one way or another come to a disagreement with other users.
Relevant pages
  • Also, what is the relevance of telling us that Mybff isn’t signing properly and telling us that he created a RuneScape account called "Richboyfails"? No one is going to block Mybff for failing to sign properly or creating a RuneScape account. On top of that, telling us that he votes without the necessary 50 edits is unnecessary and creates confusion, as the rule has only recently been implemented and he had voted before that. It isn't necessary for us to know about your real-life feuds either.
Having been here for about 10 months, Zezzima should be more than familiar with our policies and should thus know better. Your bickering and feuds with other users is the main reason why I support a month block for you to cool off. C.ChiamTalk 13:59, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Regrettably support C.C - I think that blocks are warranted here. A dissapointing outcome. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 14:25, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - I think we should block Mybff longer than Zezzima (who I overall believe does not deserve a block) for breaking RuneScape rules (if you all even bothered to read that bit COMPLETELY, it says he's account sharing). 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 14:42, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Zezzima made the claim that Mybff was char sharing. We have no evidence of this. It is up to Jagex to enforce the Rules on Runescape, not us. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 18:46, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Support C.Chiam's idea, or alternative plan I agree with Stinko, but not on the basis of char sharing. That is indeeds Jagex's job, and could simply be a false accusation. However, I believe that they should have the ban amounts switched, or have the same ban time limit. This shouldn't have even come up on a wiki community on the internet! Ridiculous. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 19:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
I think that perhaps blocking for different lengths of time would only exacerbate the situation. Either no blocks or block for equal time. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 22:27, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - You say he's your friend in real life? I think you need to solve this between the both of you instead of posting about it on the wiki. Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 16:53, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Seriously. Grow up. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 18:50, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Support Caleb's idea - You need to stop taking AOTM as such a competition, and you constantly treat it as so. 21:03, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Get this nonsense off the Yew Grove - this is obviously you bringing your friend drama here and trying to get us to deal with it. It's evident from your post and Mybff's response that you're just trying to get people to take your side in an ongoing disagreement. Nothing you have mentioned is really that big of a deal and there is obviously nothing we can do about RuneScape accounts since WE ARE NOT JAGEX. Andrew talk 21:04, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Support C.Chim - bolth of you need a one month block at the least to cool off. Consider what Soldier said as well. After that time, if you continue to flip out over AOTM, I would like to see all of your AOTM votes voided there after. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:35, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

comment-I agree with this 1 month ban. I think it would be be the best for the both of usMybff 00:44, September 11, 2009 (UTC).

Closed - This is a simple case of admining now. I've issued you both 1 week blocks, I think that is fair and long enough, and Zezzima, take it as a warning to clean up the things Caleb brought forward, alright. I'm personally not going to do anything about the AOTM, cause your blocks will expire before the end of the month and I hope by that time you will have learned from this.

Bonziiznob Talk

00:57, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Reopened - This was closed too quickly. As a result, Zezzima is saying that he hasn't had any time to respond before the thread was closed. C.ChiamTalk 01:57, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Comment' - One of the fundamentary rules of the CC is that one's actions in the CC do not affect one's status on the wiki. So all that is irrelevant. The AOTM would be a case-by-case basis, and as was said earlier the 50 edit rule was only implemented recently. And even older editors don't sign sometimes. The vandalism case is long over with, and punishments have been served out. Not doing anything here. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 03:06, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Support C. Chiam's idea + Soldier's idea - Mostly this is just a couple of friends fueding and bringing it to the YG for some support. I think Mybff and Zezzima both need a block to cool off. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  06:27, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Support Caleb and Soldier's ideas - Per what I said above. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 07:38, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Support Claeb's idea - per all--Quest point hood.png Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape.png 11:38, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Support short block of Mybff and Zezzima - I think Mybff should have a short (2 weeks would be fine) block for his actions. As for Zezzima, I asked him to stay away from AotM on June 19th until August (September's nominations). He did stay away for the remainder of June, however he went back to editing it in the beginning of July, and regrettably didn't calm down either (e.g. 'shouting' in Caleb's quote above). I was going to oppose his block, but closer examination of the edits during the 'cool-off' period I suggested changed my mind. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 15:13, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Support short blocks - And get over it. Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 15:24, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

"So this Mybff wrongly votes in AOTMs. How can he vote wrongly? Because he doesn't have the same opinion as you? Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 15:26, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Support Caleb but tripled - I don't believe this. How has this managed to get on here. Zezzima please read everything and go with the crowd, be a good boy. You really aren't going the right way on the wiki. And Mybff, even if you are annoying him I don't think anyone else cares. So you two, someone block them both for identical times and you can sort out your little argument then.--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 18:20, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

K I'm gonna address your whole big writing one part at a time. It's unfortunate that I couldn't do it earlier because now everyone wants me blocked! Mybff has been accusing me of sockpuppeting all the way from when you told him to stop it on his talk page. In real life he bothers me about it. And again in Lucien's AOTM. Most recent time is just in the yew grove discussion. So how would you feel if I kept accusing you of making false accounts to support Bob the Jagex Cat? And I kept doing it despite you telling me to stop? I did ask 2 friends to sign up and support my articles, but not since admins told me it was meat puppetry, not sockpuppetry.

I admit that I didn't act too nice to Hess and Supirion, but that was all quite a while ago and you shouldn't be bringing it up here! Gaz talked to me about all that and that's why I tried to be civil after that. See, after everyone told me, I learn from my mistakes and you still have to bring every little one up.

Plus, also a few months ago, supirion pm'ed me in game and we made up for all the hard times against each other before then. So no hard feelings now between us.

About the list of relevant pages c chiam put up: Lucien's aotm was on the list, but I already addressed it above. All the archives contained the AOTMs that caleb already mentioned before. And as far as I can see, most of the AOTMs there display nothing that indicates I was violating the RS:UTP.

Notice that now, in the last 2-3 AOTMs, I wasn't being a noob, and not treating the AOTM like a competition. Did I get mad or oppose Ullek when everyone supported Ullek instead of Tyras? Am I trying to oppose Bob the Jagex Cat or Lord Drakan? I realized how AOTM works and that AOTM is not a competition.

And with Richboyfails, I'm sure it's not just a little prank like "chiaisanub". Mybff keeps telling me he has 51 woodcutting and is gonna get more than me, and that richboyfails will also bypass me in strength. I'm willing to let it go now because it's obvious no one else thinks it's important enough to use against Mybff.

Mybff supported this block because he's just a new user that isn't like full-time devoted to the wiki and he doesn't care if he's blocked. Countless IPs don't care either. But he knows I've spent much more time on the wiki and a block is gonna hurt me much more than him. It's like how you don't care if your noob account gets banned but your main account isn't.

I talked with Mybff today at school and both of us have agreed to stop fighting and calm down a bit. Like I said before, after Baxtorian I stopped thinking of AOTMs as a competition. I shouted at Mybff in Lucien's nomination because it wasn't the first time he accused me of sockpuppeting.

How does blocking solve the issue? I enjoyed correcting/editing the wiki's pages and reverting vandalism. I never vandalized, yet Bonzi put that {{block}} thing up on my talk page (thanks to whoever removed it). I've learned from past wrongs, and strived to stop doing them again. I can't contribute anymore if someone blocks me. Are you going to block me for past wrongs and starting this whole yew grove thread? Mybff and I agreed that we wanted this thread closed, but it's changed into a proposal to block us, so I don't think closing it is possible.

We stopped feuding with each other, and I explained how I stopped treating AOTM like a contest and also stopped being rude to other users. I'm sorry for all that's happened. I don't think it will happen again. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 23:00, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I placed the template {{Block}} because I did block you. I didn't relize that the template was focused entirley on vandalism, so after Andrew had pointed that out I removed it from both your pages. You didn't vandalize, so I apologize. As for the blocks I issued, I personally feel this is a simple administrative task that should be performed, not something that requires a complete consensus. It's a simple violations of UTP and some other minor things so I felt, as an admin, I would simply settle this as we do most other cases and issue a small block to each of you. This I felt was more than fair and closed the discussion. I do not feel something like this requires so much attention. You then requested a block removal to explain yourself, which I personally knew was a bad idea. I feel like I cut you both a break; meaning I knew the blocks requested by the community would be greater, as is being proven. I tried to make it a little better for ya cause I know your intentions are good, but it appears that the community will now speak for you. I wish you luck. 01:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Comment-If I may say, again it was sockpuppettry, but lets drop the sbject. My main question is, why did you make this article in the first place, if you were going to delete this? I believe either this page should be voided or deleted, or we both recieve bans. I honestly think a ban will get us to pay attencion to school, and strive for a good education, rather than having these feuds. If this article closes, then this feud will also probably stop. I am saying either option is fine. Also note, that I was already talked to and warned about the vandalism.Mybff 03:09, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

And from observing the stituation over the past few months, I doubt you care if you receive a ban at all. Infact, your actions indicate you simply are trying to get Zezzima banned as you've shown little interest in participating here aside from attacking Zezzima (whether the attacks are valid or not are of no concern to me). I therefore Oppose blocking Zezzima and am neutral, leaning towards support of blocking you.-- 04:10, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Comment-I'd much rather close this article, than get us bannedMybff 04:12, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I am a very inactive editer here, so I can't say much about the situation. But I think that there should be solutions depending on the behaviour of Mybff in this case, since the anger of Zezzima is mainly caused by his attitute. I believe the blocking time of Zezzima should be proportional to the ratio of positive things done by Mybff, as a measure to see if this man is really dedicated to anger Zezzima. More precisely, if Mybff does nothing wrong, he should not be banned but Zezzima gets the maximum penalty, and vice versa. However, should you arrive to a consensus that Zezzima has also something to do with this thing, a base blocking period can be also added. Rewlf2 04:20, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose blocking of Zezzima, neutral towards blocking of Mybff - you guys really just need to settle this in private. Andrew talk 04:23, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

We have, but no one will listen. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 05:26, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Sorry Zezzima, but from what I've seen, your behaviour hasn't improved since the time Gaz warned you. Giving you a block will make you take your mind of the wiki and rethink things a bit. C.ChiamTalk 13:58, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Also, would you mind not citing your real-life feuds? I know that you've probably had a lot of disagreements in real life, but please stop bringing them here. We can only base things on a person's actions on the wiki itself. That was the reason why I said that Mybff hasn't been relentlessly accusing you, because he has only done so once on the wiki. C.ChiamTalk 14:09, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
First time he accused me, he removed it and you told him to stop it on his talk page. 2nd time, in Lucien's AOTM nomination. 3rd time/4th time, right in this thread. And I don't think I did anything in RuneScape:Article of the Month/2009 or the current nominations. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 16:21, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
Stop bringing up AOTM. That isn't what this is all about. People are supporting you being blocked partially because of the way you're behaving on this discussion. Andrew talk 16:27, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
Andrew's right, Zezzima. Bringing up AotM isn't going to do anything. This is based on behavioral issues, among other things. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 18:32, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
Like I said before, Mybff and I want this thread closed. I realized that starting this discussion wasn't the smartest thing to do, but now it's changed to be about blocking us. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 19:49, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to stop contributing to this discussion but the community is in the middle of making a decision here so we won't just close it because you aren't happy with the outcome. Andrew talk 20:08, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Support C.Chiam's idea as per him, both deserve a block, 2 week long for mybff and 1 month long for zezz, and C Chiam explained it all already. Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 23:31, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Zezzima decided to have this close; why don't we close it already? Amethyst II Talk 22:57, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
Because it's opened, and has been put into the hands of the community. Him and MyBff didn't settle this themselves, so we are forced to settle it for them (as far as the wiki goes). Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 00:06, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
Support Calebchiam's idea - Zezzima should have settled this between himself and Mybff. They did not need to make this a wiki-wide controversy. Amethyst II Talk 00:51, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
I explained, and most people know it by now, Mybff and I have already settled it! Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 05:26, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'm not reading this whole page. But a while back, Mybff accused Zezzima of using multiple accounts. Because of this, I asked Karlis to do a checkuser and he said that no other accounts came up. Now, I don't know how or if this will playing into this discussion at all, but do with it as you wish. Christine 01:36, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Support Caleb's idea and request for closure - Per all. Let's get this off the Yew Grove, it doesn't belong here in the first place. — Enigma 01:52, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

I'm keeping this open until there is nothing more to discuss. Since people are still adding their opinions there is no reason to close this yet. Andrew talk 02:37, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
Aight, but let's get this over with as soon as possible. I'm tired of this nonsense. — Enigma 03:12, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I know that most of you guys all want me blocked because of starting this thread, and also my past behavior on AOTMs. But I regret it all. Dragon claw.png Zezzima Talk Edit # SkillsFile:Turmoil.gif|Yay turmoil! 05:33, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Support 1-2 week block for both - Caleb mentioned most stuff. A 1 month block just seems quite harsh imo. 1-2 weeks time should be sufficient to cool things down and it's their first offense (far as I know). If this thing happens to arise, then they should be blocked for a longer period of time. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 05:53, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Comment & Closure - Having read this whole page 2 1/2 times, as well as looking through the relevant and irrelevant contributions, it appears that many users of the community as well as I believe this situation both deserves users being blocked and this quarrel being squelched. Zezzima and Mybff clearly are bringing their real-life bickering and arguing to the wiki. This is not needed here. Everybody has enough work to do every day, to bring this burden to the ENTIRE community is both immature and a complete waste of people's time. I understand you guys might have something going on between you IRL, and I really don't care, because I, like the majority of the rest of the users, are here to help better the wiki and create and maintain a healthy, working, and beneficial community. That being said, both of you are disrupting the community, violating the UTP, and essentially trolling people who are trying to be mature and positive. If you disagree with something somebody says, disagree in a mature and realistic manner. Saying "You're wrong because I don't like you and you just want to oppose everything I do" helps nothing. Use logic, create strong reasons why you believe your side is correct, emotion aside, and back it up with some evidence. I would like to point out to both of you that you are not only affecting each other by violating the UTP, but nearly everyone on this thread. You are openly inviting conflict to this thread as well as our AotM. Everyone who has had to listen to and help resolve this conflict has been affected by your disagreements or whatever it is IRL. For your persistent blaming, apparent trolling of one another, disruption of the community and false accusations of sockpuppeting for an unknown reason. Christine did have me do a checkuser some time back on Zezzima, and I see now why. If somebody is accusing somebody of sockpuppeting, we have 4 admins, myself included, who are able to check this. If something is found, it will be handled accordingly. There is no reason to SHOUT at somebody about that, as it was proven that was not the case.

Finally, this thread has got so off course several times, that the discussion has really lost its intent, of which it should never have been brought here in the first place. Please, handle your personal issues in a mature matter, preferably offsite, or if it has to be done here, on your talk pages. This has gone way out of hand, and as a completely neutral person, I am completely surprised both of the users, who apparently want it to end so badly, hadn't just taken the initiative to place something like {{wikibreak}} on their userpage to show or explain that they needed a break. In the future, don't play the blame game, don't call names, and back-up your comments with some proof.

I will be blocking both users for 1 month for reasons italicized in my comment. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 09:46, September 14, 2009 (UTC)