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Lately two rules from in RS:CC have been broken a lot.. Rules being mainly broken

  • No Flaming. This is pretty much self-explanatory. There is absolutely no need to flame anyone. Calling people Noobs is also to be considered as “light” flaming. Anyone who personally attacks another user is to be warned once, and then kicked. This includes discussions of users on the wiki. There are often times problems between users. Should you have something negative to say to or about someone, please take it out of the CC.
  • . All users are to be treated fairly and equally. As every editor is Equal, so shall every Clan Chat member be equal. Just because one user has the ability to kick, does not make him or her an exception to the rules. He or she is expected to follow every rule, as is every other member of the Clan Chat.

So my idea is to enforce the rules more so a kinda of "Three strikes and your out rule" meaning if you break any of the clan rules three times (Or warned twice) you will be kicked. So i am just wondering if there is anything else is happening lately in the clan that will affect this Forum. Thanks Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 06:15, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Other Rules that need to be enforced

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Support- I sore this just today and some people were getting really upset. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 12:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

{{Rfc}} --LiquidTalk 23:17, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


Comment- imo, we kick too easily instead of not enough. somebody threatened to kick me for "being annoying", when all i had done was have a different opinion then they did. also, are u proposing we give warnings/kick for calling some1 a noob? if then i certainly dont support. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 16:43, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

(Sorry for not loging in) I'm not proposing that im proposing the Fair use of the rules and kicking so things like that dont happen anymore and when it gets right down to it kick rule breakers who seem to get away with it every time Twig Talk 772kZGs.png (219.88.171.63) 21:40, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I say one warning and good bye after that. HaloTalk 21:42, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

But if you done it by mistake and get a warning and do it again by mistake what would happen then? Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 23:33, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
Then you need some time off to think about how you can stop making as many mistakes. HaloTalk 23:36, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
Dark manage to find a bypass yesterday and so did most of the Mookies. None got a warning nor a kick due to we were testing (Though I did tell Dark off and recommended to test in own talk) Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 23:40, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say, but it's not like a kick is a ban or anything. It's a hour time out, nothing more. It's just a chance to think about it, and try to improve the problem so it won't happen again. HaloTalk 23:45, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
(Potentially offensive content)The word that was found was "bitching", and it was found by the Mookies. This is hardly a bypass, since it is a simple word that is evidently not censored (no apostrophes before it, no spaces or symbols used). I don't see how using a word that Jagex doesn't censor is a kickable offense. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 22:24, April 28, 2010 (UTC) 

Settle down on the damn rules already We have enough bloody rules and people looking to kick/warn over basically non-offensive content, just get off it already. There is plenty enough "enforcement" for real violators, we do not need to be nitpicking and looking for the tiniest thing to take offense at. This is pointless to ask for more enforcement of what is already over enforced if anything. Stop looking for the smallest reasons to be offended. It does not help you, the cc, or the wiki. Do you really prefer an hour of zero talking over someone saying "bitching" every 10 minutes? I sure don't. If you like the no discussion and total silence, why are you even in the cc?--Degenret01 23:51, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Some people like having a good chat to relax and lately with the spammers it has not been that I'm just saying to enforce them to keep the calmness in the chat Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 23:57, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think people need to saying "bitching" every 10 minutes to be having a discussion. Swearing is just a sign of weakness and limited vocabulary. HaloTalk 00:01, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
That was what i was talking about Dark and Mookies found the bypass (Bitching and Dicking) Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 00:02, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
That's exactly my point. I don't think that adds anything to the conversation. If anything it's an attention plea ("Ooh look at me, I can be profane. I'm cool, look at me!") We have to remember that players as young as 13 can play runescape, and we need to try to limit things like that. While many players may not find it offensive, I assure you some do. HaloTalk 00:08, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
They were only saying it to break the silence. If there had been a real conversation and they were interrupting it, I would agree with you. That is not the case. So, do you actually prefer total silence for 20-30 minutes over the occasional use of the word bitching? Yes or no? And if you prefer the silence, why are you in a cc?--Degenret01 00:06, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
I don't believe saying "bitching" is necessary to break the silence. I manage to talk every day like a normal human being, and I don't have the need to say bitching...ever. It doesn't bring anything to the conversation, it's just trying to stir up trouble or look cool. I don't believe it's necessary and I think it should be kept to a minimum at all times. HaloTalk 00:10, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
I agree; swearing in general serves no purpose in a chat room setting other than to offend some users, and waste space. Ajraddatz Talk 23:39, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
For Guthix' sake, it's not a bypass! If a word, in its completely unmodified form, it is not a bypass. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 22:24, April 28, 2010 (UTC) 

Comment - frankly, I think that three strikes is way too much. Ranks should just use common sense when deciding if someone should be kicked. The problem is that none of the ranks ever seem to want to kick anyone. For example, the Mookies. Why the hell is everyone afraid to kick them? This took place in the clan chat last night:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1756/greenshot20100428002900.png

The issue is, I never even said a single word, yet 4 users started attacking me. Two other ranks were on at the time, and nothing was done at all (it's possible that Duck was FINALLY kicked, but I watched the CC list for at least 2 minutes after he said I "liked ass" the second time, and he was still there). This isn't an issue of whether you like me or not. Behaviour like that should never be tolerated. If it was any other user being attacked, would they have been kicked? I'm going to hope that the answer is no, so that it's not just something that everyone has against me. Considering the other ranks on were Murph and Ryan M, I know it wasn't because of a personal vendetta. But why wasn't anyone kicked? Ryan was on from the start and did nothing. If you're going to sit in the channel, then BE AVAILABLE if a user needs help. If you are ranked and aren't going to pay attention, then leave. I'm absolutely disgusted that nothing was done while I was getting harassed - without having ever said a word. The Mookies (and apparently tlul has joined them) have caused problems trolling the cc for months now, why is it that I seem to be one of a very few number of users with the balls to kick them? You all may say I kick too freely, but at least every time I do, it's justified. At least I do, period. The ranks need to get their act together. If you're going to accept that symbol next to your name, then you need to be available, and you can't be afraid to do what you were trusted to do - guard the cc. If you aren't going to do anything, then give up the rank so that someone else can actually DO the job you're expected to do. Christine 17:52, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Don't I feel a little sheepish now. I was aware of the spam, I was also aware that Duck was harassing you and the other Mookies at other various times to another user. I however do not keep my eye on the CC all the time, hence my other monitor. I had wrongly assumed that you would have warned or would kick the scum (he attacks anyone and is an idiot). Sad to say late doesn't help here, sorry. Ryan PM 20:10, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I agree with Clv. While I am not on as much as I would like, I never have an issue kicking trolls and wish that the CC would become more civil ‎20px‎AtlandyBeer.png 19:11, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I'm very surprised that they weren't kicked the first time, I think all ranked users should be told clearly when to kick obvious troll such as the Mookies on this occasion.   Swizz Talk   Events!   20:14, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I remember this since it was a few hours ago..... and the only rank was christine ghostly came in after that whole "magic long bow strange rock" thing. And if she wanted to she could have just kicked us.... Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 20:24, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

That's not true, Ryan was there and he admitted it above. I was making a point by not kicking you. So what, you think that just because I don't answer, it's fine for you to harass me? Grow the hell up. Christine 00:42, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think it's important to note the events of the previous night to understand the knock knock references. The mookies, and somewhat myself, said "knock knock" repeatedly, and were all kicked by Christine. The comments above were references to the previous events. When I said "knock knock" (to legitimately tell a knock knock joke, but also as a joke to the Mookies) and then checked the cc list and realised Christine was in the cc, I stopped to avoid being kicked again. I am going to post a modified copy of the previous image shortly that includes my explanations for each line, as I understood them. This will allow everyone to at least see the situation from the point of view of those who were part of it. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 21:29, April 28, 2010 (UTC) 

Commented screenshot below:

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Also, Christine, I have to wonder something. If you (in your words) "watched the CC list for at least 2 minutes after he said [you] 'liked ass' the second time", then why didn't you kick him? (edit) If you have such a problem with ranks that don't do anything about an offense, then why are you doing nothing yourself? You can't rant about other users not doing their part and kicking offensive users if you yourself are just as reluctant to do anything. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 22:15, April 28, 2010 (UTC) 

I can't even believe you said that. Did you read anything I wrote at all? I ALWAYS kick the Mookies if they cause shit. Ask them, they'll tell you! Do you know how many times they've threatened to write up a YG topic about me for it? Too many fucking times. But that's because I'm the only one WILLING to kick them. My whole point was that NO OTHER RANK there kicked them, and even if there were more there, they wouldn't have either. I was making a point there, so why the hell would I kick them myself this ONE INSTANCE? And don't even tell me that everything YOU said to me wasn't just ASKING to get kicked. It's nice that you're trying to play the victim here, but it's complete BS. That's baiting if I've ever seen it. Oh, and the innocent joke from the night before that you're trying to play off as nothing? Considering that this is only 1/3-1/4 of how much you guys did it:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8362/greenshot20100426182008.png

Those kicks were completely deserved. But hey, surprise surprise, no other rank kicked you all, so I had to! Don't act as if you were incorrectly blamed, you were trolling just as hard. Christine 00:42, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Christine is 100% right. You guys were basically non-stop trolling/spamming after being specifically asked to shut up. Be glad you only got a kick. HaloTalk 00:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Ok now this is just getting stupid every week there is some new problem you guys have with us i see that saying knock knock knock over and over could be kickable but a forum post for it? really we've done some thing but this is one of the lest harmful thing we've done this page is wasted space Fire cape.png Lucid Savior Talk Abyssal whip.png 05:35, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
It isn't a new problem every week. It's you guys constantly causing crap. Sometimes you're capable of being respected members of the CC, but other times some of the Mookies just stir up crap on purpose. Chicken7 >talk 08:46, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
This isn't all about the Mookies, and it wasn't originally about them. l2read. Christine 12:58, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Did it ever occur to you guys to just STOP causing problems. Then you wouldn't get kicked. But you guys LIKE being trolls, otherwise you would learn to control yourselves. HaloTalk 20:14, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - This situation with the Mookies is getting out of control, in my opinion. I admit it: sometimes I am scared to kick them. This is because I hear about "Desysop" or "Derank" threads from them. I've had some admins approach me asking why they've heard about me misusing my tools, when I didn't even kick! Other CC regulars don't help when they egg the Mookies on, and tell the ranks to "peace out" when they give warnings. Although I mostly agree with Christine, I strongly disagree about ranks leaving the cc if they're not going to be active. I am constantly in a situation where I am the only rank for a number of hours. I usually just sit in the lobby, and do other things, checking every now and again. I think 1 rank checking for trouble every now and again is much better than no ranks at all, leaving the CC open to trolls, spammers or heated argument. Even just the sight of having a rank there can discourage a player from being stupid. Although in the Mookies' case, it's pretty much the opposite... Chicken7 >talk 08:46, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

COMMENT hold the ******* boat there chicken!...... first off we never threat people that we are going to get you deranked or desysoped or all that jaz your speaking about...... thats your good pal 'halooh' there doing that stuff.... always going "take it to the forums guys, dont do it theyll get you deranked" thats not us. So please and thank you for not putting words into our mouths. Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 16:51, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


Whatever happened to Don't feed the trolls? Reacting to them and posting threads in the YG like this only gives them the attention they crave. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 09:16, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Attention that'll get them banned. Chicken7 >talk 09:20, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - You guys aren't getting my point. This isn't a thread about getting the Mookies banned. I completely agree with where Chicken said they weren't all bad, and they're not all bad all the time. This forum is about enforcing the CC rules. If anyone gets out of hand, the ranks need to man up and be able to kick them. In fact, with the exception of Mookie Duck, I don't think any of the Mookies in the cc should've been kicked in the above screenshot. Maybe someone else thinks they should have, but I wouldn't have kicked. And don't assume that I would have, because I legitimately would not have kicked them for that. I don't kick without reason. But Duck wasn't kicked. I actually think that tlul needed to be kicked. Not only was he egging me on from the start, but he then started spamming the cc with Friendo. And it's common sense that he was spamming, he knew what he was doing and certainly didn't need to be warned about that. My whole point in this is just reinforcing what was said by who originally posted this - the ranks don't enforce the rules. Not to pick on Ryan specifically, but his comment that he figured I would just kick them is exactly my point. If a rank sees something that's clearly being done wrong, they have to kick. Don't just always assume someone else is going to do it. I don't think I deserve to be treated the way I do, but I put up with it. If the other ranks won't kick when someone they know is being harassed, what possible reason would they have to kick for some new user getting harassed? And Chicken, I still feel that a rank that sits there and does nothing is a bad thing. If users feel they can go to that rank for help, then they get ignored...? That's not right. At least if no one was there, there'd be a justifiable reason for why the can't get whatever they need. But again, in a nutshell, if ranks see something being done wrong, then need to kick and not just assume that someone else will get it. Christine 12:58, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

I did in fact kick Duck. I was only half watching, when I saw the repeat comment, I scrolled up to make sure I hadn't missed anything else since I had warned him, and gave the boot.--Degenret01 16:00, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
You'll note that I did stop, and was kicked after 55 more lines, despite only saying 6 messages within that time. About that (and this is in your words here, not mine) "innocent joke", did I ever try to minimize it? No, I did not. However, this thread was never about that joke, as you yourself just stated (although you still attacked me for it), so I simply explained what it was. It's nice that you're trying to play the whistle-blower here, but it's complete BS. That's politics if I've ever seen it. Oh, and the innocent trollbaiting, flaming, and breach of RS:UTP from the night before that you conveniently left out of the screenshot? Considering that this isn't the first time that you've done this to the Mookies:
[Rsw] Panjy16: Poppy
[Rsw] Clv309: Shut the **** up
[Rsw] Mookie Synkk: Lllllll
[Rsw] Mookie Synkk: No u shut up
[Rsw] Mookie Merk: Say please
[Rsw] D-ark-Ang-el: Christine: Knock knock
[Rsw] Panjy16: Spencer
[Rsw] DaSpeshkitty: Oksy, I'm leaving this peninsula now...
[Rsw] Mookie Synkk: L dark
[Rsw] Clv309: This is like 5 warnings for the past ten minutes
[Rsw] Panjy16: Don't be rude
[Rsw] Lawci: ****!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im out of caffine!!!!!!!!!!!
[Rsw] GoldenMoose: Jesus: *knocks on your door*
[Rsw] Lawci: Noo im going to die now!
[Rsw] Mookie Merk: I didnt see no warning......
[Rsw] Clv309: Kicking the next person to spam
[Rsw] D-ark-Ang-el: Ooh, I get kicked 2 times plus 1 warning? Cool!
[Rsw] Mookie Synkk: Wut warningz
[Rsw] Mookie Merk: Are you drinking those str pots again?
[Rsw] Panjy16: Two negatives = positive
[Rsw] Mookie Synkk: L
[Rsw] D-ark-Ang-el: *doesn't knock*
[Rsw] Panjy16: Alan Spencer Wilkins >:(
[Rsw] Mookie Merk: Clv dbad
[Rsw] GoldenMoose: Even # of negatives = positive
[Rsw] Clv309: You're the ****
[Rsw] Mookie Synkk: We got us a dbad
[Rsw] Lawci: Brb ima run to the store and get caffine
[Rsw] Mookie Merk: Hey watch your mouth ther eplease

That treatement may have been completely deserved, but hey, that's flaming, and there is a much better way of dealing with it. Don't act as if you're completely in the right, you were flaming just as hard. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 17:43, April 29, 2010 (UTC) 

It wasn't conveniently left out, I said I didn't have all of it. I stand by what I said. You guys got multiple warnings from other people and still didn't shut it, so I finally came in. It is absolutely understandable that at that point I was pissed off, you HAD been warned about 5 times. You WERE warned for the kicks, and they were justified. Christine 19:40, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Multiple warnings from other people? No, actually, we didn't. The only thing that could be considered a warning right from the point that we started through to getting kicked was said by you, in the above quote ("Kicking the next person to spam"). There were no other warnings, so don't try to claim that there were. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 22:07, April 29, 2010 (UTC) 

First off this whole thing is about getting warnings first. I seen no warning given to me before i was kicked, christine has done it multiple times, where she kicks someone without warning. So all this picture proves is that if you expect us to play by the rules, you should too. The Duck, Mookie Duck

That doesn't justify your behaviour, you should realise that saying "Christine did me up the ass" or what ever is bad without even needing a warning.   Swizz Talk   Events!   20:20, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, and the only reason i do the stuff i did was because i have been kicked numerous times without warning. so why should abide by the rules when you can't either? Its not the question of me knowing its against the rules or not, the rules are that you get a warning then kicked and i never have been warned before i was kicked. The Duck, Mookie Duck
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So you spam to just to prove that you shouldn't get kicked? Grow up and learn that life isn't fair, no one told you life was without consequences. Different ranks have different tolerance standards, but that doesn't mean you should ignore the rules. Stop the sophomoric act and the trump card routines. Ryan PM 21:07, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
So, you can just kick me without warning? How can different ranks have different tolerance standards? You made a pact when you became a rank and you just wanna kick people for no reason. How about you grow a pair of balls all of you and man up and say something before you kick someone. You guys really annoy me with the o he's immature. Im the same immature person as you are then because your breaking the rules with no warning. Also dude runescape isnt the real life so stop trying to talk about the chat as if it is. You guys all have had problems with christine kicking without warning and other ranks. So when you play by the rules i will.
It doesn't work like that. Follow the rules, or get kicked. HaloTalk 23:06, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
So the next time some asshole says to you, 'I have a right to my opinion,' you say, 'Oh yeah? Well, I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have no right to your opinion.' Then shoot the fuck and walk away!
— George Carlin It's Bad for Ya
Very sophomoric, messing with my comment proves it all the more. As well you were not kicked for that, you left after calling me a "doucher." Now if your going to tell me that people kick for no reason, you better back it up. Ryan PM 23:43, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Because i dont have a screen shot? Sorry this stuff isn't that serious to me. Also how does it not work like that? if you read the top of this thats exactly what this is about. you guys are little kids and just wanna show you have power when the little thing happens. Ghosty degen let us get away with some stuff we were kicked for before. So how about stop getting your panties in a bunch when the little thing in the chat happens.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.209.132.217 (talk).
Terrible troll is terrible. My guess is he isn't even one of the Mooks, just some random kid getting a power trip or something. He has knocked four times. 00:32, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, that IP is Mookie Duck. He signed this edit as such. --LiquidTalk 00:34, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Wow. Does he do any editing or does he just yell at people? He has knocked four times. 00:36, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
He attempts to troll and spam, and then say it's unfair when he gets kicked. HaloTalk 00:51, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Haloolah you troll/flame the mookies, almost every time one of them comes into the cc you sit there and say stuff to get them heated up....is that not trolling? Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 05:39, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - C Teng, you should close the whole damn thing for a month. People will appreciate what they have then...maybe things will settle down after that.

Bonziiznob Talk

01:12, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't even be close to going over well... HaloTalk 01:17, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Why would he care, he never comes in the cc anyways. Christine 02:09, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I never said once i was mad for being kicked or that it was unfair? I said that it is unfair that i get no warning when other people do and that you guys go crazy over the littlest thing. Ok i said Christine loves ass and i got no warning on that at all if someone sees it please tell me. Its not unfair i got kicked. Its unfair i got kicked without warning. Mookie Duck.
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Christine 02:09, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Just stop complaining already. The ranks were completely justified to kick a repeat offender without warning, since as you have already demonstrated many times, warnings don't seem to work on you. --LiquidTalk 01:28, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support, and comment - Support per above, and my comment being: Users should be warned, and when warned, there must be a valid reason. I was recently kick just for saying "hello everybody" in Latin! 2010-04-24_2203.png What was that!?1??!!? there is no enforcement here!!! sig1.png Spam me w/ lolcatsPottery statuette detail.png Is <insert name here> awesome? I don't know, let me check... 02:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

It's possible there were spammers in the channel that a rank was trying to kick. It's happened before, just ask someone who was on why you were kicked. Christine 02:09, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment I have given a 24-hour block to the ip who is probably mookie duck, for UTP violation. See this. MIUIBucket detail.pngrwojy 04:11, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

comment is that even needed Rwojy?........that has no point on this forum....stop trying to make "mookies" look bad Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 05:35, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Comment-really why did you put that on this forum thats just kinda point less and i agree stop making "mookies" look bad dbad Fire cape.png Lucid Savior Talk Abyssal whip.png 05:38, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
wow nice trying to copy me there pat....Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 05:40, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
The reason I mentioned it here is because the block resulted from a comment he made on this page (here). If he had vandalised somewhere else, then I would have said something on his talkpage, but this is an active discussion, and people will want to know why a comment was removed. MBVQBucket detail.pngrwojy 05:42, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Also reasoning for why he may not have yet replied to a query or comment. Chicken7 >talk 07:34, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's the fact people hate you, It's just that we're very disappointed at you guys, we agreed to have a clean slate and you've basically just not learned   Swizz Talk   Events!   15:22, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Comment- I really think that people should use there ignore list. If you dont wanna see what people say or if they spam, ignore them, and get the fuck over it. Thats why Jagex gave us the amazing power of ignore. ( -right click- *add to ignore list* ) Mookie Red/Red Cow255
Another option would be you acting in a mature and respectful way, so that people don't need to. Ajraddatz Talk 16:57, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
OR I can stay the way I am and not change because someones too lazy to ignore me? kthxbai- Mookie Red/Red Cow255
Then you will be kicked, or added to the cc ignorelist. JBGAQZBucket detail.pngrwojy 17:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Comment- red is right its your fault if you dont ignore us and i cant believe that you think you have the right to call us not mature we have contributed possitivly many times to the wiki and rarely do we act disrespectful and from what ive seen hundreds of times we are disrespectful after one of you assholes disrespects us so dont say we are immature try somthing called [DBAD] Fire cape.png Lucid Savior Talk Abyssal whip.png 17:05, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I honestly doubt any of you have ever read dbad. If you had, you would know that right now it applies to your actions, not ours. You are the ones misbehaving, then when we kick you for it, you
threaten to start a derank thread. Do think that that is okay? It isn't. SDMGVXXBucket detail.pngrwojy 17:10, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I honestly think you dont even know what your talking about our acting get us kicked umm no half the time we get kicked from having an opinion AEAE so why dont you l2r and look that all the forums to de rank are for us being kicked for no reason so again DBAD Fire cape.png Lucid Savior Talk Abyssal whip.png 17:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Having an opinion and trolling/spamming are 2 completely different things. Anyway so far it has been proven that christine did nothing wrong, you got a warning, albeit by degen, then got kicked, as was warned. SKCGIBucket detail.pngrwojy 17:17, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
"threaten to start a derank thread. Do think that that is okay? It isn't. (Rwojy)" thats being a dick right there.....mookies are fucking tired of you people saying this to us. god [email protected]#@[email protected]# we never threaten to start a derank thread....its always you "wikians" stop saying that now!....thanks Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 17:20, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
AWWWW are you guys upset? you mad bro? mad that we got doucher4000 to quit? i think its pritty cool just proves that if you kick us without good reason you will get challenged ok? so DBAD Fire cape.png Lucid Savior Talk Abyssal whip.png 17:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
I find that statement funny from someone who seems to be incapable of acting in a way that deserves respect. This problem wouldn't exist if you act mature. Ajraddatz Talk 17:54, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal

I propose that all the mookies be added to the cc ignorelist for 2 weeks, and any that use alt accounts be kicked on confirmation.

Support - Nom. 17:35, April 30, 2010 (UTC)  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rwojy (talk).

Oppose - what have "all" the mookies done to deserve a ban? Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 17:38, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

oh and rwojy nice edit blocking all the mookies so they cant even have thier say in this..... red duck and lucid were banned in the last 8 hours.....how convenient?

Oppose - On what grounds? The only one whose sole goal seems to troll is Duck, but as I said before THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE MOOKIES. READ THE TITLE - IT'S ABOUT THE RANKS WHO AREN'T ENFORCING THE RULES. Christine 17:40, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - [[m:Don't be dense]]. As for those who keep saying "DBAD," learn now that [[m:Don't be a dick]] also says:

Telling someone "Don't be a dick" is usually a dick-move — especially if it's true. It upsets the other person and it reduces the chance that they'll listen to what you say.

Thanks for understanding. Ryan PM 17:49, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I think this disscussion page has become extremely off topic due to Rwojy's discrimination against "The Mookies". ~Mookie Red/Red Cow255~

Oppose - as i said: the ranks are OVER INFORCING rather then under inforcing. i havent seen a single time anybody was actually causing trouble in the cc- what i have seen alot of is 1 person having an opinion that an admin- and usually the rest of the clan- disagrees with, and getting kicked for that, which isnt right. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 18:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - RS:AEAE. Mookies aren't an exception.

Strong Oppose - I'm sure that you wouldn't like it if Jagex decided to ban all pkers because a bunch of them swear when they get angry. I'm also sure that you wouldn't like it if your government decided to throw everyone of your ethnicity in jail because of some perceived difference between this group and the rest of society. Decide blocks on an individual basis, rather than grouping them all together. I've noticed an increasing trend of Mookie-hating. A Mookie joined the CC earlier today and made two references to "your mom". He was warned, and did not continue, but was kicked anyways. I will say this one more time: Stop treating the Mookies as a single entity. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 19:36, April 30, 2010 (UTC) 

Oppose - I feel the some of the mookies bring alot to the clan chat and as tLUL said they all shouldn't be banned. Instead I think Duck should be banned for a short period of time.   Swizz Talk   Events!   20:41, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

comment - this is exactly what i mean. what gives him the right to say "end of story" and "any attempts to restart will result in a kick"? we were not breaking any rules that i know of, just 3-4 users asking chippy why chippy wanted somebody kicked. the person chippy wanted kicked aether left or was kicked im not sure, and chippy left also. ppl where still discussing it but the discussion was winding down when steler said that. chippy was also asking for an uneeded kick imo, but he also mentioned something i didnt see so its possible the guy deserved a kick and i just didnt know it.

(Deleted the image, re-upload it to a hosting site and add it back) (Then restored, but should be deleted after the discussion is over). First of all, the only person I have kicked in at least a month was Mookie troll, who was more or less asking for it directly after a warning. Ending the discussion was required to keep the peace, which was my only goal in the situation. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Weak Oppose - We can't treat them as a single entity, as although I have seen each and every one of them trolling, the level of seriousness varies. Chicken7 >talk 01:52, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

This thread has gone on far too long. Christine's image was just an example, if you want to propose to ban the Mookies do it on another thread.   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:56, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Some days I want you to get kicked but other days I don't so I'm in the middle Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 01:22, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal

Repeated offenses don't make for a little issue, and insisting on getting a warning before being kicked when you're blatantly and consistantly committing kickable offenses is RS:GTS. Using good edits to defend bad actions is invalid, as good edits don't defend bad actions per RS:AEAE. Attempting to use RS:AEAE to defend the kickable offenses seen in the above screen captures as "having an opinion" is also RS:GTS, as the discussions in the screen captures obviously show blatant, consistent, kickable offenses which no editors are allowed to commit.

Note that, in the above screen captures, everybody who was kicked was kicked with a reason after being warned, with the exception of Porp1. Therefore, the parties arguing for warnings before kicks have no evidence of kicks before warnings, and their arguments are thereby slighted. This discussion is over but for flaming unless a significant amount of evidence showing kicking before warning is brought to the discussion, as there is already a large amount of evidence showing warning before kicking.

I propose that ranks should have the right to kick without warning if RS:UCS applies. Note that this does not apply to the minor, non-chronic offender, as he deserves a warning by RS:UCS. Chronic, blatantly kickable offenses, as in several above screen captures, deserve a quick boot. Also note that kicks are not permanent and may even be considered warnings for moderate to major offenses. To be clear, very minor, non-chronic offenses should receive warnings per RS:UCS; chronic minor, moderate, and major offenses may receive kicks without warning, per RS:UCS. In disputing any kicks, logic and RS:UCS should prevail, while flaming, personal vendettas, and especially RS:GTS should be left out both for the sake of efficiency and for RS:UTP. Leftiness 20:53, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Regarding the picture on the right which 3rd Age posted: The conversation pictured is too limited; I consider out-of-context, unless someone has more of the preceding discussion...? Leftiness 17:00, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

i dont, but heres what i remember:

  • mookie troll enters the chat, and begins to say stuff that annoys a few people. nothing really bad, just "your a noob" and such, but he seems as though he is only there to annoy,
  • most users ignore him, but then he says something to chippy. chippy asks for a kick, after which several users say kicking him would be unfair. chippy and the other users cooly discuss the issue.
  • mookie troll calls chippy a nerd. chippy then declares "nobody calls me a nerd", demanding again mookie troll be kicked. at this point i believe mookie troll leaves of his own desire, but im not sure. i ask chippy why he was so mad, and he says mookie troll said he was gay. i hadnt seen this, but the discussion was fast moving and i may have missed it.
  • as users are trying to figure out if mookie troll was kicked or left, and if a kick was fair, steler says what he said in the pic. the discussion continues for at least a minute with no known kicks, before everybody loses intrest and discusses something else.

again, sorry i dont have proof, but thats what i remember. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 17:42, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

If you don't even know if he was actually kicked, then what in the world was the point of bringing this up? Christine 17:50, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
I thought Stelercus admitted kicking him?   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
I have no idea. It wasn't in the screenshot, and I'm not sure if I was even online at the time. 3rd age said he doesn't know if he was kicked at all or left by himself, so I don't see why he brought it up here. Christine 18:06, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
I kicked him. Both Mookie Duck and Mookie Troll are owned by the same person, so he was multilogging - a blatant violation of rules of RuneScape. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 18:11, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
the reason i brought it up was because of steler saying "anybody who attempts to continue the discussion will be kicked", when the discussion wasnt breaking any rules. i dont like the way some admins seem to think "im an admin, i dont like this discussion, so ima close it down". its not right. any kicks that took place or didnt before steler's messsage are unimportant 2 my message.Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 18:15, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
When everyone is yelling at each other and making the cc less comfortable for others, it's common sense to do what has to be done to restore it to what it should be. If that means ending the discussion, that's what has to be done. We get new users in the clan chat essentially every day. Would you want to come back to the clan chat if it was nothing more than a dramatic ground for arguments? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:17, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
yes i would actually, i like argueing. but besides that, the arguement was slowing down, and people where more looking 4 answers as to what happened rather then 2 sides attacking each other. iv seen much worse flame wars then that, even the one a few hours was much worse then this. also, who decides whats common since? because it sure doesnt seem like common since to me.Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 18:21, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
The policy is "Don't feed the trolls" which is what continuing would have done. It just caused fights in the cc, and it doesn't matter if you like them or not, the job of the admins is to keep the peace, so Steler was totally fine in saying that. Christine 18:24, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
<edit conflict> The arguing in the cc lately has not been a civil debate, but an all out flame war. It is frequently a violation of RS:UTP and is simply not acceptable. The fact of the matter is that these kinds of arguments do not degenerate until the two parties completely log off or it is stopped, otherwise they will just start back up. People will talk about how horrible the argument was, things will pick up again, and there you are at square one. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:26, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
I've noticed that there's always the same person at the centre of the recent arguments   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:29, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
so what is the line? when can an admin end a discussion, and when cant they? if people are calmly disgussing their favorite quest, i dont think an admin should be able to simply say "this discussion is over". yet, with flame wars, i think they should, and yet, i dont consider the aether of the arguements to be flamewars, and yet u do. so, when is a line crossed? Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 18:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
The discussion was a flame war. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:34, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
according to what? i know thats ur opinion, and i disagree with it. saying it again wont help- where do we draw the line between discussion, heated discussion, mild flaming, sevear flaming, etc? Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png
Excuse me, someone comes in with the name Mookie Troll and possibly calls someone gay, makes your mom jokes, and ignores warnings, and you don't think that it's kind of obvious they were there to flame? I don't think you're fit to make that call, then, if you don't think that's legit. Christine 18:41, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
i was referring to a discussion this morning, not that 1 sorry for the confusion. as for mookie troll, he was, well, trolling. u could kick him, thats not what im talking about. he was gone by the time steler said any1 who continues the discussion will b kicked. chippy was gone 2. all that was left was users trying to figure out if they where kicked, left, and if a kick was needed at that point. i dont think there was any flaming still going on. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 18:46, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
Once a user is kicked, it's always best to just stop talking about it or what was being talked about when he was kicked. It almost always causes a flame war to generate and thus you have more problems. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:28, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
i disagree. people arnt sharks, we dont go crazy when we see a fight going on. just because <5 people where mildly arguing, and 1 had been trolling, doesnt mean the entire clan chat was about to erupt into a flamefest. and why do you know whats "always best", and what "almost always" causes flamewars? i see that as a problem- you very well could be right, im not saying you arnt. but the fact that you seem to be saying "i have had this happen before to me, thus i know the issue best, and thus my opinion is what matters" bothers me. i suggest we try to come up with universal guidelines to when kicking is needed and right, and stop leaving it entirely in the hands of the ranked cc members. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 01:39, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
First of all, don't put words in my mouth. I never said that only my opinion is what matters. However, I have had this happen to me before and it continues to happen on a regular basis. I have observed the degeneration then regeneration I just mentioned several times in the past year, and the fact of the matter is that when discussions escalate to kicking, they need to stop at a complete, abrupt halt. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:47, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
but loads of people have had as many experinces as u- maby more- and yet im sure they dont all agree with you, or even with each other. could you please give me a clear definition of what you consider flaming? Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 02:05, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - This has been unedited for a while, and it doesn't look like consensus has, or will be reached. Ajraddatz Talk 19:30, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Weak Oppose Closure - I made a proposal at the top of this section that was unfortunately off-topic'd by an out-of-context picture... I stand by my proposal that repeated-minor and major offenses should be kickable without warning while non-repeated-minor offenses are the only cases which deserve warning. In effect, being kicked should be the warning for repeated-minor and major offenses. To be clear, minor offenses might include censor evasion and light spam, both of which deserve a warning. Repeating the minor offense to a degree determined by RS:UCS should be treated as a major offense and should be kickable - possibly without any warning, depending on the severity and RS:UCS. Whether an issue is minor or major is also determined by RS:UCS, but I believe the actions of trolls, like "Jediadan" (Not "Jediadam"), are obviously major. The purpose of this proposal is effectively to put RS:UCS into words, ending threads like these before they begin, officially leaving decisions such as this at the ranks' discretion. Leftiness 21:30, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

It hasn't been posted on in 26 days. Almost a month. Unless consensus was reached, it should be closed, and if consensus was reached, it should be implemented and closed. HaloTalk 21:33, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Unfortunately, likely because of other discussions, I forgot about this, but, as I said, I proposed something, and it was completely off-topic'd... Since there hasn't been any discussion on it, I'd say it's a completely new proposal in every way that matters. Leftiness 04:29, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus that the CC rules are not being properly enforced. As usual, ranked users can kick without warning if they deem it necessary, but at this point of time, no further action will be taken. C.ChiamTalk 09:36, May 28, 2010 (UTC)