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This thread was archived on 28 August 2010 by Psycho Robot.

I've thought about this recently a few times and I don't know why it isn't in function. User:Wikia has the function that automatically welcomes a user when they come to the wiki. If we enable this it will mean that users will get welcomed much quicker instead of a few hours later when they have logged out and sometimes don't log in for ages/again. This would also get rid of personalised welcome templates (not that there a bad thing) and would mean people could get on with adding information/reverting vandalism ect. So my proposal is reanable User:Wikias welcoming function. Thanks. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 10:57, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nom.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 10:57, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Though it may be faster, the user won't know who to go to for any information/help and also personal welcome messages add a... personal touch... It's not the same, automated message found throughout the wiki. LordDarkPhantom 11:01, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

It is actually signed by the admin/helper that has made the most recent edit so it would say that.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 11:05, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I can see the good and the bad. It would be nice to not have to take time out of our "busy" schedules to welcome new users. However, it takes away some of the personal charm of the wiki. I think we all (well, most of us) remember who welcomed us, and it was nice to be noticed and be able to have a "friend" in the big bad wiki world. With the Wikia welcoming enabled, we lose that. ʞooɔ 11:02, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Edit conflict I believe that we disabled User:Wikia's welcoming function was so that users could personally welcome new members and make it more friendly and less robot-like. Also, these new users would have someone to help them find their feet. 222 talk 11:03, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - The current system is fine. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 11:06, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Don't fix what's not broken. bad_fetustalk 11:08, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Conditional support - I agree with the neutral-stanced users above; even though it has the most recently-active admin, a user will learn it was a robot and will not appreciate the system being automatic. It's nice having a user personally welcome you. I remember straight off of the top of my head that Syugecin welcomed me, with his hand-written one-line message. BUT, we do actually miss some users. So, if it is possible, after 3 hours or so, then User:Wikia should welcome the user. That way we are not missing users, who could've been very dedicated editors. But don't have instantaneous robotic welcomes that deny users the ability to personally welcome each other. Chicken7 >talk 11:26, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Meh, I'd support your proposal if it was at least 1 day. bad_fetustalk 11:28, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
That's not technically possible, however, User:Wikia is usually delayed in welcoming new users anyways. Also, I would like to remind everyone that it only welcomes users who have edited; not just new accounts. ajr 15:09, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Per Cook. FredeTalk 11:31, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support Chicken's Proposal - It gives a decent time-frame for personal welcomes and makes sure that no user remains without being shown useful pages and welcomed for long. But is that even something you can do though? How does it distinguish between a welcomed, un-welcomed and a user that has deleted the message to save space? Or does the welcoming user have to go like tick them off a list or something? BTW chicken you welcomed me ^_^ - [Pharos] 12:02, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I'm not sure, but I think one of the reasons why we disabled User:Wikia is because it might also welcome users who just vandalizes. We don't need an IP to think that we are thanking him for vandalizing the wiki. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 12:07, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, wut? So we'll risk leaving new users alone for days but we cant risk a vandal getting thanked? Which will somehow cause him to vandalise more? 0.o And besides, it should only be welcoming newly created accounts, which vandals in my experience are too lazy to create anyway. - [Pharos] 12:16, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Weak oppose - If we do enable this, I do not want User:Wikia signing my name instead of its own. That's always upset me. And I agree with the neutral comments above. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 13:53, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't see how this could benefit us too much. Users are almost always welcomed seconds or minutes after their account is made. I often find myself beaten by 3i+1 or another before I can welcome a user. The RC and [user creation log help 100% to make sure that users are welcomed quickly. I've always enjoyed welcoming new users, and once I do get around to making a custom, personalised template Concerned, I'll enjoy it even more. Using personalized templates shows that we don't all just copy-paste the default welcome message, like robots. Using personalized templates shows that we have a personality in that we've created an eye-pleasing, welcoming message for the user. I'd rather not ramble on more, but as others have said, don't fix what isn't broken. I'm quite sure User:Wikia was disabled in the past for a specific reason, although I don't know what Forum: it was. (It's probably in the old Yew Grove archives) Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 21:34, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Sure, it might be faster, but in general, all of the users are welcomed in a timely manner. And, like Cook said, it would eliminate the sort of "personalized welcome" feel we have right now. Suppa chuppa Talk 21:39, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - The user creation log is checked often enough by our extremely active userbase that this isn't really a problem. It's MUCH better to get a welcome from a user. HaloTalk 21:50, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - This would means the end of the Welcoming Committee!!! It would be so robotic that there is no welcoming, just 'you have joined'... Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 22:00, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Weak oppose - We do a good enough job of welcoming ourselves, I think. ajr 22:04, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm an idiot. Strong support for enabling User:Wikia to welcome anonymous users. We don't need to enable it to welcome users, but there is no reason why we can't get it to welcome anons who have edited, and in that message try to get them to make accounts. ajr 22:05, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I'd support it welcoming anon's, but not users. HaloTalk 22:11, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support welcoming anons only - User:Wikia should not be used for users, in my opinion, but for anons... that is a good idea. Per others. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 23:05, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - hmmm... IPs... that's... 256*256*256*256... which is... 4,294,967,296 possible... that's a lot of welcomes even if it's only 0.0001% (Daily percent of global pageviews on wikia.com divided by pageviews per user times percentage of wikia's 'runescape' subdomain visits [1]) which is 4,294 possible each day!!! Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 23:35, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hey bro, it's only IPs that edit. HaloTalk 00:51, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
I know, I said "4,294 possible"... not guaranteed... Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 02:10, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per all. Plus, many users such as myself like welcoming new users.  Tien  00:05, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - There was a reason we got rid of it in the first place. ShinyUnown T | C | E 00:50, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Bot flag plox - While we are on the subject, can User:Wikia be given the bot flag? As it is obviously a bot. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 01:39, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Forum:Wikia welcome bot. Ryan PM 02:05, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
Ok... I tried to understand it... really I did... but it seems to me that there was no real answer. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 02:35, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Sannse/Archive_12#Help_with_homophobic_user. Sometime within the past 18 months, the Wikia links moved to Community Wiki (hence wikicities as the domain name). Ryan PM 02:43, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - While it was and still is a concern over whether it would welcome vandals (as discussed back in March/April 2009) since it cannot tell the difference between a good and bad edit and "personal" touch. Whenever it did run, it used the latest logged-in administrator, whether they are currently online or not. This also meant that administrators that did not welcome new users/anons would have their signature plastered on the talk page (and if I'm not mistaken, Wikia made a terrible looking userpage (Template:User looks more appropriate than the one it uses) without the administrators consent. While I do not oppose it being re-implemented, I believe that having it activated would upset many users who prefer a "personal" approach rather than an automated process (albeit, the welcoming template makes it lazy to even suggest "personal" to me). There isn't anything really wrong about it, but I'd support having it welcome anonymous users (as far as I am aware, we don't often welcome them unless they do several constructive edits). Ryan PM 02:05, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Bots are meant for maintenance of the wiki. I'd rather have a user send me something rather than having a bot send me something. The fact that it's signed by the most recent sysop/helper who edited not only means that regular users, who may be quite active and helpful, are left out, but also doesn't guard against the sysop being inactive for the period following the last edit. --LiquidTalk 02:54, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - We can edit it so instead of it being signed by the most recently edited admin we can make it so it is signed by one user all the time, and we could make that like User:Welcoming committee or something of the sought which could then have a updated version of Welcoming Committee on that page with a list of users that can be on it (the current list but only users who have edited in the last month or something) so the new users will know who they can ask for advice and get it quickly. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:20, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Fine for IPs...but what's wrong with the way we welcome users now? HaloTalk 11:42, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
Not much, but does that mean we don't do anything? If we had always used that analogy, this wiki would be nowhere. Chicken7 >talk 12:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
Why break something that is working fine? Notice that people try to change things when they see a problem with them. Not many people see a problem with the current method, so I'm asking Sentra to tell us why he wants to change it. HaloTalk 13:11, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
I would like it changed because i have seen it being 20+hours of the UC log not having been checked, plus Every other wiki i have been on have had this added i think it is good that i get welcomed as soon as i make an edit. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 08:57, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - The current system works fine... RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 13:22, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Per Lil Diriz. Also, I would like to mention that whenever I log in during the day, I always go through the last 500 edits on the Recent Changes page and welcome every new user that has not been welcomed by other users, which I do out of the kindness of my heart since every new user deserves an actual human welcoming them to the Wiki and not a machine, so I personally cannot support this proposal. Sorry, but I just can't agree to something like this since it would be creating an illusion to new users that the users on the RuneScape Wiki don't care enough about new users to personally welcome them to the Wiki. [2] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 16:12, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

^ Heart +1 Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 16:33, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
That made me cry a little inside.   Swizz Talk   Events!   16:34, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Chess1242 Lgm123990 16:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Per Diriz and BicycleCat. I found it quite nice that as soon as I joined the wiki, someone welcomed me personally, to help me get my footing on the wiki. When I edited another wiki, I was quite surprised to discover that it was really a robot welcoming me there, pretending to be one of the admins. It really did seem like the people there couldn't be bothered to welcome new users, so they left a bot to do it instead. The system isn't broken, but this proposed change would break it. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 16:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC) 

Strong Oppose - We have a brilliant system already. Just about every user gets welcomed within the day they join, and I can think of 4-8 users who look at the User Creation Log every day to check if there are any new users. If I were new to this wiki, I'd much prefer to be welcomed by a actual person then a bot, this would allow me to ask questions, get help and tips from them to improve my editing. It's clear some of you think it's better to get a meaningless welcome from a bot, and I'm not quite sure if I want to be apart of a community where people don't want to give new users a chance.   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:01, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think this thread is reminding everyone to check the UC log...because I've only been seeing 1 or no unwelcomed people everytime I check it. =D HaloTalk 17:39, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thats a good thing because i created this because i was seeing times where it was up to 15-20hours of users that had not been welcomed, because i'm sure they would rather being welcomed by a robot than not being welcomed at all. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 08:57, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Highly unnecessary. Andrew talk 17:55, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I would rather be welcomed by a living, walking person watching their screen than a robot. It's more personal, and the person signing it would be on when it was posted, so the welcomed person can ask them questions quickly. With the last active admin, that could be an hour ago, and the person wouldn't get a quick responce. ~MuzTalk 14:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Simply for the personal touch of a newcomer knowing that an editor has taken time to welcome them to the wiki. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 16:19, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Wow, it seems that new users are being welcomed much more frequently since this Yew Grove discussion started up. Coincidence? I think not! [3] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 23:58, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - User:Wikia will not be enabled. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:44, August 28, 2010 (UTC)