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This thread was archived on 16 December 2016 by IsobelJ.

Just wanted to bring up the disorganization of elite skilling outfit templates as they currently sit. There are currently 7 that I know of, some with misleading names.

I propose we delete and consolidate them to this: {{Navbox |name = Elite skilling outfits |title = [[Elite skilling outfit]]s |gtype1 = subgroup |group1 = Gemstone Golem Outfit {{Navbox |collapsible = yes |name = Gemstone golem |title = [[Golem outfit|Gemstone golem outfits]] |style1 = text-align:center |group1 = * {{plink|Gemstone golem fragments}} |gtitle3 = [[Emerald golem outfit|Emerald]] |group3 = * {{plink|Emerald golem head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Emerald golem torso|txt=Torso}} * {{plink|Emerald golem legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Emerald golem gloves|txt=Gloves}} * {{plink|Emerald golem boots|txt=Boots}} |gtitle4 = [[Ruby golem outfit|Ruby]] |group4 = * {{plink|Ruby golem head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Ruby golem torso|txt=Torso}} * {{plink|Ruby golem legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Ruby golem gloves|txt=Gloves}} * {{plink|Ruby golem boots|txt=Boots}} |gtitle2 = [[Sapphire golem outfit|Sapphire]] |group2 = * {{plink|Sapphire golem head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Sapphire golem torso|txt=Torso}} * {{plink|Sapphire golem legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Sapphire golem gloves|txt=Gloves}} * {{plink|Sapphire golem boots|txt=Boots}} |gtitle5 = [[Magic golem outfit|Magic]]<sup>elite</sup> |group5 = * {{plink|Magic golem head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Magic golem torso|txt=Torso}} * {{plink|Magic golem legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Magic golem gloves|txt=Gloves}} * {{plink|Magic golem boots|txt=Boots}} }} |gtype2 = subgroup |group2 = {{Navbox |collapsible = yes |name = Rune ethereal |title = [[Ethereal outfit|Rune ethereal outfit]]s |style1 = text-align:center |group1 = * {{plink|Rune ethereal fragments}} |gtitle2 = [[Law ethereal outfit|Law]] |group2 = * {{plink|Law ethereal head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Law ethereal body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Law ethereal legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Law ethereal hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Law ethereal feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle3 = [[Death ethereal outfit|Death]] |group3 = * {{plink|Death ethereal head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Death ethereal body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Death ethereal legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Death ethereal hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Death ethereal feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle4 = [[Blood ethereal outfit|Blood]] |group4 = * {{plink|Blood ethereal head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Blood ethereal body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Blood ethereal legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Blood ethereal hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Blood ethereal feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle5 = [[Infinity ethereal outfit|Infinity]]<sup>elite</sup> |group5 = * {{plink|Infinity ethereal head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Infinity ethereal body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Infinity ethereal legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Infinity ethereal hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Infinity ethereal feet|txt=Feet}} }} |gtype3 = subgroup |group3 = {{Navbox |collapsible = yes |name = Shark outfits |title = [[Shark outfit]]s |gtitle1 = [[Burnt shark outfit|Burnt]] |group1 = * {{plink|Burnt shark head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Burnt shark body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Burnt shark legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Burnt shark hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Burnt shark feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle2 = [[Shark outfit|Shark]] |group2 = * {{plink|Shark head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Shark body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Shark legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Shark hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Shark feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle3 = [[Tiger shark outfit|Tiger]] |group3 = * {{plink|Tiger shark head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Tiger shark body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Tiger shark legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Tiger shark hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Tiger shark feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle4 = [[Fury shark outfit|Fury]]<sup>elite</sup> |group4 = * {{plink|Fury shark head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Fury shark body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Fury shark legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Fury shark hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Fury shark feet|txt=Feet}} }} |gtype4 = subgroup |group4 = {{Navbox |collapsible = yes |name = Divination simulacrum outfits |title = [[Divine simulacrum outfits]] |gtitle1 = [[Divination chronicle outfit|Chronicle]] |group1 = * {{plink|Divination chronicle head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Divination chronicle body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Divination chronicle legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Divination chronicle hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Divination chronicle feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle2 = [[Divination energy outfit|Energy]] |group2 = * {{plink|Divination energy head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Divination energy body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Divination energy legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Divination energy hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Divination energy feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle3 = [[Divination memory outfit|Memory]] |group3 = * {{plink|Divination memory head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Divination memory body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Divination memory legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Divination memory hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Divination memory feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle4 = [[Elder divination outfit|Elder]]<sup>elite</sup> |group4 = * {{plink|Elder divination head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Elder divination body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Elder divination legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Elder divination hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Elder divination feet|txt=Feet}} }} |gtype5 = subgroup |group5 = {{Navbox |collapsible = yes |name = Camouflage outfits |title = [[Camouflage outfit]]s |gtitle1 = [[Desert camouflage outfit|Desert]] |group1 = * {{plink|Desert camouflage head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Desert camouflage body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Desert camouflage legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Desert camouflage hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Desert camouflage feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle2 = [[Keldagrim camouflage outfit|Keldagrim]] |group2 = * {{plink|Keldagrim camouflage head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Keldagrim camouflage body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Keldagrim camouflage legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Keldagrim camouflage hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Keldagrim camouflage feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle3 = [[Prifddinas camouflage outfit|Prifddinas]] |group3 = * {{plink|Prifddinas camouflage head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Prifddinas camouflage body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Prifddinas camouflage legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Prifddinas camouflage hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Prifddinas camouflage feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle4 = [[Master camouflage outfit|Master]]<sup>elite</sup> |group4 = * {{plink|Master camouflage head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Master camouflage body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Master camouflage legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Master camouflage hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Master camouflage feet|txt=Feet}} }} |gtype6 = subgroup |group6 = {{Navbox |collapsible = yes |name = Gorajan trailblazer |title = [[Gorajan trailblazer outfit]]s |gtitle1 = [[Frozen gorajan trailblazer outfit|Frozen]] |group1 = * {{plink|Frozen gorajan trailblazer head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Frozen gorajan trailblazer body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Frozen gorajan trailblazer legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Frozen gorajan trailblazer hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Frozen gorajan trailblazer feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle2 = [[Furnished gorajan trailblazer outfit|Furnished]] |group2 = * {{plink|Furnished gorajan trailblazer head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Furnished gorajan trailblazer body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Furnished gorajan trailblazer legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Furnished gorajan trailblazer hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Furnished gorajan trailblazer feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle3 = [[Abandoned gorajan trailblazer outfit|Abandoned]] |group3 = * {{plink|Abandoned gorajan trailblazer head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Abandoned gorajan trailblazer body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Abandoned gorajan trailblazer legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Abandoned gorajan trailblazer hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Abandoned gorajan trailblazer feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle4 = [[Occult gorajan trailblazer outfit|Occult]] |group4 = * {{plink|Occult gorajan trailblazer head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Occult gorajan trailblazer body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Occult gorajan trailblazer legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Occult gorajan trailblazer hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Occult gorajan trailblazer feet|txt=Feet}} |gtitle5 = [[Warped gorajan trailblazer outfit|Warped]]<sup>elite</sup> |group5 = * {{plink|Warped gorajan trailblazer head|txt=Head}} * {{plink|Warped gorajan trailblazer body|txt=Body}} * {{plink|Warped gorajan trailblazer legs|txt=Legs}} * {{plink|Warped gorajan trailblazer hands|txt=Hands}} * {{plink|Warped gorajan trailblazer feet|txt=Feet}} }} }}

This should help with future updates or additions to the outfits. Any thoughts? are there any other groups of items that would benefit from something similar? Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 17:46, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment I really like that template for the most part, though the elite bit is very unnecessary and looks out of place. I do agree that we should be using the official names for the sets! You could likely go ahead and start working on the pages now, with little issue, but up to you. Amascut symbol.svg Amascut Ia Morte 18:03, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Any other ideas to set the 'actual' elite sets apart from the others in the template? I agree its out of place but I still feel it should have something indicating that they are the combined set. Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 18:20, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Smaller navboxes are far easier to use. Sticking them all together like this feels cluttered and awkward. (Rename the templates if you really want to, though.) Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 18:46, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - I prefer smaller/more specific navboxes as well. I don't like the [[Template:Dyed equipment|trend]] of collapsed navboxes within massive navboxes - it just makes it more difficult to get to the content, forces the reader to sort through more information, etc. --Iiii I I I 20:13, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

What is the main purpose of a navbox though? Small navboxes tend to be repetitive because almost everything that would be located in them are already linked to within the page itself. In the case of having smaller navboxes, do you then use multiple boxes per page which is effectively the same thing as one larger navbox, or do you limit it to one navbox with only a few related links? If you oversimplify the navboxes then you will still have readers getting sent on a goose chase through disambig pages, much larger articles, just as bad or worse tables, or even a terrible list of search results. The navboxes should be meant as a file-linking web, not the main structure for finding an item. Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 20:55, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
I will agree that some navboxes are very excessive and could definitely be simplified. But with items that are so similar in use and method of obtaining, I don't see the point in breaking them apart just because someone CBA to use the hide/show. Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 21:05, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - I too prefer smaller navboxes. I've long since run out of reasons to have navbox-ception and it's got to the point where they no longer serve the purpose they should. I'd prefer to keep them separate, but I'm open to seeing how separate sections within the navbox looks before condemning it completely. cqm 21:35, 18 Nov 2016 (UTC) (UTC)

I don't understand why the older templates are currently nominated for speedy deletion. Could someone explain what happened there? cqm 21:48, 18 Nov 2016 (UTC) (UTC)
I only saw Template:Shark outfits having that tag, added by Samba. Why Samba added it, I don't know, but my guess would be that Samba changed it first and asked questions later. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 21:50, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Soft oppose - I can see that grouping it all together might be convinient, but I agree with Gaz, Ix7, and Cam. One of the main reason I (and others) made those small navboxes for each elite skilling set of outfits is that they are small and just about that particulair set. And for linking all elite skilling outfits together I specifically created Template:Elite skilling outfits kinda like a quest series navbox. And each piece of all skilling outfits only had one navbox, so there is no clutter like you claim. The only articles that have 2 navboxes were the elite skilling outfit articles themselves, e.g. Magic golem outfit had/has (I noticed your mass edits in my mailbox :o) just Template:Gemstone golem outfits and Template:Elite skilling outfits. All other pieces and outfits only had Template:Gemstone golem outfits. So it might be convinient to group them together, but in this case all the seperate navboxes were doing their job. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 21:39, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Proposal - Instead of merging the navboxes of each seperate elite skilling outfit, why not change Elite skilling outfit into an actual article listing them all and describing each seperate outfit briefly with a {{Main}} link linking back to the elite outfit. Although you have a valid point that clicking hide/show isn't hard indeed, some people are lazy (me included although not in this case since I really like navboxes :P). Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 22:28, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - I prefer not clicking through several layers of navboxes to reach my intended destination. At that point I may aswell have typed it into the search bar. lDemonlTalk .:. 03:33, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion - It's already been pointing out that we kindof have a problem where too much is being put into navboxes. I do think having an "elite skilling outfit" navbox would be helpful though. I would suggest that we make a navbox just linking the collective name for each skill's outfit (e.g. golem outfit, ethereal outfit). Possibly it could include each set (e.g. ruby golem outfit); but I don't think having a navbox including every single piece of every skilling outfit is necessary. I don't think this navbox would be something necessary to put on the page for every component of the outfits either; it should just be on the whole outfit pages or the collective sets' pages. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 11:13, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

That already exists, Template:Elite skilling outfits. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:24, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - It seems like the general opinion is to keep it simple and rename some things as Jagex now has what seems to be an official term for them. It seems like we should revisit the general topic of navboxes and what they should(n't) entail. Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 19:36, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

Just renamed the gemstone golem outfits navbox and category, the others will follow. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 22:30, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
Just finished renaming Template:Ethereal to Template:Rune ethereal outfits and its category. However what are the proper names of the other elite skilling outfits?
  • Shark outfits --> ??
  • Camouflage outfits --> ??
  • Divination outfits --> ??
  • Gorajan trailblazer outfits --> ??
Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 22:56, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
Gorajan trailblazer seems to be the proper name, the others don't appear to have one yet. all the newsposts I could find only called them "fishing" outfit or similar. Probably just wait until their fragments are released. Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 23:18, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
We could indeed just wait till the fragments are released, for now they do have a proper descriptive name. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 23:33, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

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Apparently 'shark outfits' is 'shark attack outfits' and 'divination outfits' is 'divine similacrum outfits' according to the Elite Skilling Outfits promotion of June 2016. As it also mentioned the gemstome golem and rune ethereal outfits by those names.
I've asked Mod Shauny on twitter for the proper names. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 23:26, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
Seems like the newspost mentions 'shark outfit' not 'shark attack'. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 23:36, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
The newspost only seems to call the thieving set the camouflage thieving outfit, but even then it doesn't really seem official. We could use shark outfit and 'elite' shark outfit to distinguish the actual outfit from a group/category page for the various sets. Law rune.png Samberen Nature rune.png 00:02, November 26, 2016 (UTC)
Shark doesn't really need to be distinguished, people know it's both a collective name and one of the sub-outfits. If not then they should :P Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 01:10, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - Elite skilling outfit navboxes should not be combined in the way proposed. The current navboxes may be renamed to more consistent used "official" names if these can be identified: the golem and ethereal outfit navboxes have already been renamed. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 22:02, December 16, 2016 (UTC)