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This thread was archived on 25 January 2023 by Isobel.

Good evening (or wherever you are)...

I've been looking at this edit for a while...

While I am more than happy to accept that unregistered users may have more lore knowledge than myself, I believe that, as the RSW, we should be confident that an edit is correct.

If anyone can provide context that the edit is incorrect? Otherwise.... Per RS:GRAN, I will (personally) allow it to continue as a main-branch.

Pleae vote below - agreee is that that page should exist, disagree is that it is incorrect (please state why it is wrong)

NYX TRYX | E 00:42, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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Comment - the edit seems to mostly be removing unsourced statements from the page; this is what is stated in the first edit summary. I'm inclined to assume good faith here. Our lore articles are somewhat poor in areas with sourcing, ideally we'd aim to have sources to back up as much of them as we can but that's a work in progress. Removing inaccurate statements, especially on a article which has been specifically tagged as needing work with sourcing, is a good first step. If anything was removed/rephased incorrectly then further corrections can always be made. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelTalk page 10:03, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with Isobel insofar as much of the removed content was unsourced and questionable. If you can cite what the removed prose is based on, then adding it back would be reasonable.

Ignoring the edits themselves, suggesting that you'll "allow" edits to stand is not indicative of collaborative editing and against the idea of RS:OWN. Voting on the correctness of edits is also not something I'd ever expect to find on the wiki. cqm talk 14:26, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Could you elaborate on what you mean by voting on the correctness of edits? I'm not sure I know what you mean. Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)  Choose OptionTalk to Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Follow Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Report Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Contributions Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Walk hereExamine Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Cancel 18:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
"Plea[s]e vote below" is in the OP. cqm talk 21:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment - I also agree with both Isobel and cqm. If any of the content that was removed were to stay then the page would be littered with "[citation needed]" after practically every sentence. In the meantime, I wouldn't mind adding the removed content into the article's talk page for the time being until the sources can be cited.

Furthermore, in one of the edits that Editor IPv6 made regarding the game "Hangman", the narrative changes from citizens being randomly executed for amusement to encouraging literacy among subjects. This new claim also does not have a cited source accompanied with it which directly conflicts with the reasoning for the edit as per the edit summary. Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)  Choose OptionTalk to Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Follow Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Report Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Contributions Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Walk hereExamine Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Cancel 18:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment - re the attempt to encourage literacy, while a specific citation was not added by the editor, it is something that can be sourced from Transcript:Game book. The removed content was also not sourced, but I think the point of the edit was that those elements could not be appropriately sourced by the IP editor. Smithing.pngHephaestus talkCrafting.png 19:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
That was precisely the issue though - an unsourced statement was replaced with a different unsourced statement due to the original being unsourced. I don't see how the change is better considering *both* statements were unsourced.

Also, being that the new, unsourced statement incidentally quotes its source material ("encourage literacy among his subjects"), it leads one to believe that the source material was referred to during the edit but was not cited along with it. Regardless, I do want to thank you for the source though. I was not aware where either claim originated from but it looks cut and dry, so I have since cited it. Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)  Choose OptionTalk to Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Follow Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Report Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Contributions Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Walk hereExamine Swyllikx of Guthix (level: 138)Cancel 16:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Closed - this doesn't appear to be a case where its necessary to run this by the Yew Grove. This is probably a case where it would be more helpful to contact the editor directly to ask them about their changes, or to seek help informally on Discord from other editors who might be more familiar with lore. In the absence of that RS:AGF applies. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelTalk page 15:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC)