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This thread was archived on 26 March 2009 by Azaz129.

Earth has made a request to be unblocked given his 2 month's so far served. I was not involved in the incident, and only saw this note on his talk page and didn't know if anyone had seen it. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 03:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... I'm not quite sure what to do. Should we unblock, wait for a few more months, or just go as planned and keep the perm block going. :/ Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 05:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
2 months is a significant amount of time, and we have heard no more of his games or attempts to vandalize. I see no reason not to keep him on a sort of parole for a few days and slowly welcome him back into the community.. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 07:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Well....he was blocked for an infinite amount of time because he made a personal attack on Christine and because of his many past offenses. He has not served his time as he says with this comment:It's been a while, I've served my time. Can I have a second chance at this? :/ He has made a lot of contributions though, so I'm not too sure whether we ought to give him a second chance. C.ChiamTalk 07:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I was in no way involved in this incident, but from my point of view it looked like he was a very good editor right up until he thought he deserved admin when his RFA was rejected. What followed was an uncontrolled tamper tantrum that resulted in the flame wars with christine and offensive comments. A good 2 month break to reflect on what happened seems good enough for me. And we could always re-block him if he showed any signs of his former behavior. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 09:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

OPPOSE 12 hours ago I would have been willing to give Earth another chance maybe. But in the CC last evening instead of taking responsibility, he started making excuses. I hate that. If/when I screw up , I fully expect myself to stand up and say "I effed up. Thats on me. Period." Not only that,but Earth then said something ofensive to Christine. Thats some proof right there he has not changed his ways. Not only should his block continue, but I believe his name should be added to those blocked from entering the CC. For those newer editors not around during Earths time, I stood up for him several times and supported him on at least two of his RFAs. So this coming from me is not in any way, shape, or form, personal. --Degenret01 10:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - He went too far, too many times. His block should stand. We really don't need any more conflict around here. Administrator Hurston (T # C) 12:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - As Earthere can only edit his talk page because he is blocked, shouldn't we discuss this here instead? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 15:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - The reason I brought it up here was because I dont think anyone regularly browses blocked user talk pages. It was pure luck I happened to be curious about earthere. I also think it would be better if he did not know we were discussing it. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 20:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

He can still view the wiki, you know. Christine 22:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure he does, though. He was clueless about everything when he PMed me ingame.

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22:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I can play innocent too, Instant. It's an act. Christine 22:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Comment/Support - I happened to speak to him in game yesterday too. He's matured much, he didn't bother our discussion. Christine you could be right it could be an act. But so what, if he acts rude then ban him again. I'm supporting to unbanning him, but I'm not supporting his RFA if he has one...ço¬Ø 23:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Much like I did with Cruser, I am in the process of gathering evidence into one nice series of images. Please be patient. Christine 22:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - So I'd like everyone to read these sets of messages. Both are from last night, one in the cc, one from PMs Earthere sent me (initiated because he thought I kicked him from the cc). If that last bit of the pm isn't trolling, then please, enlighten me. I absolutely oppose this revocation of the block, and to be honest I don't think this is a community decision at all. The image he posted, the final straw to get him banned, was one of me. Taken from my private myspace. This is absolute harassment, and I request everyone read Wikipedia:Harassment#Posting_of_personal_information. Unless unintentional and non-malicious... attempted outing is grounds for an immediate block. It is undeniable that his posting of the image was intentional and clearly malicious, as I stated numerous times when the issue first occurred. This is not a mere instance of vandalism at all. This is unforgivable. Clan chat. PM. Christine 23:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - He's obviously shown a blatant disregard for the wiki and Christine's well-being. I would think that someone that is asking for a second chance would known better than to behave like that. Infinite block means infinite block. So far he's served about three months. Three down, infinite to go. Andrew talk 23:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The following comments are based on the assumption that the information I've been given is accurate.

When I contributed to this project, I advocated never using a permanent ban, thinking that no offense on a game-related project could really deserve permanently and uappealably lose their ability to join this community. But at the time, I never considered someone would take something so far. Once you start using personal pictures without people's permission, you've crossed the line. And once you cross the line, there is no way back. Unban him? Cyber-bullying is a serious crime where I'm from. He's taken this beyond the scope of the wiki now; I can't speak for every country, but there are authorities outside the internet that would start taking an interest at this point. Unbanning him is incomprehensible to me. He's gone so far beyond that it's unbelievable. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 23:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose As much as I hate to say "no second chances" (though I am sure that concern was raised before the infinite block was imposed), I think reversing the ban would effectively be prioritising Earthere over Christine, who obviously is not in a position to say she forgives, or would be comfortable having Earthere around again (not that I'm saying she should). I think it would be unworkable to have them both here, and I wouldn't want to drive away someone who has done nothing wrong here in favour of someone who clearly has. I wish I could be more positive than to say: sometimes you just have to live with the consequences of your actions. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 00:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I thought that Earthere might have become more mature and sorry for his past actions. Apparently not. The screenshots that Christine has provided shows that he's still as rude and belligerent as before. Leave him banned. C.ChiamTalk 03:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - That image is not a very fair way to determine his current maturity. Christine seemed to have started the conversation involving earthere's actions against her, and from then on its a constant uphill battle for earth to say anything without it getting responded to three times over. I'm not saying what he did was not absolutely terrible, illegal, and wrong, but christine is the last person to be capable of offering a neutral opinion on the subject of earthere. On top of that he didn't come looking for trouble, being in clan chat is not against the rules. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 04:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

FFS. Anyone there will tell you I was not there from the start at all, ask Degenret. Hell, ask Earthere. As he said in the PM, which HE started, he found it weird I came in at that time. I never started any conversation about it, you can see that I clearly joined in the middle of it. Also, no I can't provide a neutral opinion, but tell me why the hell I should. He invaded my personal privacy and there is no excuse for that at all. I am appalled that this has been made a community decision when I am the only one who was personally affected by this. Christine 14:14, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Tebuddy did you read what I wrote already? He was making excuses for his behavior, not owning up to the pure and simple fact he effed up. THAT is the indication of his maturity. It should be clear to anyone who was in chat at that time. --Degenret01 15:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose per the second link provided by Christine. I was not happy when Earth performed the behaviour that got him blocked in the first place, but his behaviour there is the icing on the cake. He hasn't changed. --Beware the underrated. Pikaandpi Berserker Fury!Hit hard or go home. 05:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose I, like almost everyone else, was tempted to give him a second chance. Then I took a look at Christine's images and...that kinda decided me. He threatened to join the 'underground movement' if he wasn't unbanned; he admitted that he made up that bullsh*t about his father abusing his mother...
I was hoping to be able to follow the advice of my signature and forgive him, but I don't think that would be a good idea. (Guess I'm more like the Doctor's human 'clone' than the Doctor himself.) WWTDD? 15:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose - From what I've heard so far it sounds like the offenses that got him banned in the first place are actually quite serious. Taking personal pictures off of someone's private page and posting them for all to see? Also, it sounds like this was in retaliation for not getting an RfA. If these facts are true, this goes way beyond simple flaming. This is personal harassment, malicious, and a purposeful invasion of privacy. This sounds like an attack that went beyond the wiki into real life. What we're talking about sounds like slander and libel, serious offenses in real life. We can't allow this to happen in our community. It makes users feel threatened and unsafe. We cannot allow that to happen and a permanent ban should stand. To me, reinstating this user is out of the question. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 17:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - He's kind of [[m:Don't be a dick|"being a dick,"]] so to speak. -Byte_Master bytesig2.png bytesig3.png 18:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - After reading through the information related to the matter, I will stop trying to defend earth or anything he chose to do. I don't agree with christines actions in clan chat against earth, but hes should not be unblocked. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 19:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I wish I could be original and find a reason not described above, but I can't. What he did crossed the line, and he deserves no second chance. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 12:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I was there when Earthere entered the chat, and I didn't like his attitude at all. Like everyone else has said, he kept making excuses, and that comment about his father abusing his mother was just... irrelevant.  Tien  14:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - At first I wanted to give him another chance too. However, I have checked out Christine's links and after reading everyone else's comments on the incident (which I was clueless about) ALL OVER AN RFA, there is NO WAY he should be unbanned. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  19:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Closed - It is quite obvious that the community has chosen to uphold this ban unanimously.--

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