Forum:Distinction of Ironman related content in guides
This is a subject that have been brought up reccently in the Discord Channel, should ironmens related content have a distinction in game guides?
To be honest, I think yes, because it would actually benefits both side (IM and non-IM), for Non-Ironmen: a distinction could be useful to avoid potential misreading and doing useless step. For Ironmens, it would help to find ironmen-specific information quicker than searching through the page. This would probably only to quest and skill guides, some suggested to make a toggle but that is clearly not possible (atleast without rewriting). My idea is also that the info/quest boxes contain links that redirect to the obtention procedure and not throwing all the information at once.
Note: it could be made way greyer). Here an example with this totally legit quest box that hilight ironmens specifics information.
This would be a quick visual mark and the player would quicly know it is for Ironmens
Instead of gray text, it would be thse little ironman icon:
This suggestion is that we revisit every quest and skill page and make sure that the formating make the info for ironmen is distinct from the main text body.
ᚹᛜᚹᚴᚳᚴᛋ ᛋᚴᚨᚨᚱᚣᛈᛁᚴᛖ! -01:17, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
Support with comment - I think this with "Ironman" written underneath the icon would make visibility and underatanding simpler. -01:27, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
Comment - I prefer suggestion 1, it looks visually appealing. The ironman symbol is may not be as recognizable to regular users. Personally, I think it would be better to create a separate quest information tab (ie. the tabs here specifically for ironman where you can list out the ironman skill requirements which may be different from regular skill requirements in addition to implementing suggestion 1. 02:30, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
- EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't believe there are any differences in the quest guide steps per say. Correct me if I'm wrong. The only difference/distinction I could think of was the items required for completion (inflating the necessary skill requirements) being different. The other difference would probably be the combat level required due to less optimal gear? 02:34, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, the ironman specification would be mostly used in the quest req box, but I also think it would be useful in the required item sub-header, after that idk if ironman effect the guide himself (atleast for quests).
14:27, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
Oppose 1 as written - I think gray'd out text for ironmen-only requirements are fine, but not for putting parentheses telling them what the recipe for an antipoison is... In the list of required items, they're always all linked to the respective item pages anyway, so it's not like people can't just click the link, and anyone who's playing an ironman should know that they'll have to make all that themselves. Grayed out text for ironmen-only requirements should look like what we have on Tears of Guthix (quest) with the 49 smithing/crafting grayed out. I would support something that just adds ironmen requirements in gray, not text after every item.
I'm really not a fan of the ironman icon to indicate ironman only requirements as shown in suggestion 2, as the symbol by itself looks like dumbbells and isn't that suggestive of ironmen (or maybe it's just me), and since it doesn't incorporate the hardcore logo.
Lastly, 320 construction would be about like 41 quadrillion xp. At 600k/hr that would take 69 billion hours (8 million years) to complete. Even if you somehow were able to make demonic thrones at absolute maximum efficiency for 15.3m/hr, that would still take 300,000 years (at a cost of 32 quintillion gp). And yet somehow I still want Jagex to raise the level and xp cap so I can get more construction levels. >_> --LiquidTalk 14:28, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
Oppose all as-is - I agree with Liquid's statements above. I also agree with Shoy. I think we need a collapsible box that looks like Module:Questreq that we can use for Ironman skill requirements, required items and recommended items. That way, we save space for users that don't want to see it, and we can cater for both kinds of player. Maybe the collapsible box can be suitable to use throughout the quest guide rather than just the requirements etc too, so that if there's a point in the quest that will require an Ironman player to perform a different action, it can be noted with an expanding box. jayden 14:35, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
Proposal/suggestion - I've created a collapsible box as I outlined in my comment above. I think this looks pretty nice on the page. With the hardcore icon as well, it provides extra distinction than just the look of the dumbbells as Liquid indicated:
|Example on a quest page|
Comment - I was going to refer to Liquidhelm, but Jayden's suggestion above actually looks quite appealing. However, its use is limited to quest guides and frankly I think there are more ironman-specific things to be found in minigames and bosses.06:39, June 15, 2017 (UTC)
Comment - I agree with Liquid and I support Jayden's proposal. Fussy does make a point though, how do we deal with non-quest guide ironmen stuff?00:23, June 16, 2017 (UTC)
Support Jayjay's idea -01:13, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
Comment - Jayden's version is good, although I think it could do with some formatting to make it more distinguishable - a border and/or background, probably in grey (I'm quite partially to a thick dotted border but whatever). It's to the benefit of both ironmen and non-ironmen that it's obvious that the section in question is separate. In terms of other areas (non-quest guide), if we nail down a format for such sections then we can have that single formatting wiki-wide and chances are the only differences from the quest guide will be that you don't need to make the section collapsible. --Henneyj 22:16, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
- Support - Yeah Jayden's version imo is great because it doesn't bloat it too much as it requires being expanded. Also the IM and HCIM icons are easy to catch at a glance.
/bren/tc23:58, June 22, 2017 (UTC)