I told myself that it would be a sad day when I have to start a thread like this. But, after reading through the two threads we are currently planning the wikifests on (Forum:Western Winter Wikifest 2011 and Forum:Eastern Winter Wikifest 2011), I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that this is a necessary step.
The advent of the Events Team basically mitigates the need for massive quarterly events. The Events Team is also much more efficient at organizing and planning, since they do not have the problem of too many chiefs and too few Indians. In fact, the Events Team schedule and the Wikifest schedule are in direct conflict. The Saturdays remaining until the end of winter on March 21 are February 26, March 5, March 12, and March 19. Of these, February 26 is tomorrow (and I don't think we can get a wikifest planned, advertised, and executed in such a short time), March 12 is the Bonus XP Weekend (I'm not attending a wikifest when there is 2.7x Construction xp to be had), and March 5 is an Events Team day. In other words, we're limited to March 19/20, which comes right before the Vernal Equinox and the advent of spring.
So much for a "winter" fest, eh?
The Eastern fest committed to March 11 so far (before the bonus xp announcement; that date will probably be changed), and the Western fest didn't officially pick a date yet. But, based on the time schedule, we're essentially screwed.
Last year, the fix at this point was to scrap the Winter fest and rebrand it as the spring fest. But, since we already have weekly or near weekly events organized by the Events Team, what is the point of having community organized discussions?
I read through the discussion so far. It manages to perfectly reproduce the problems with community organized events from the past, which would be too much unnecessary discussion and too much unnecessary focus on details, though this year the situation is slightly better since Swiz proposed a general outline that most people adhere to. But, the general problems are still here. I also highly doubt that at the rate of progress we are making, we will be able to have a highly polished product by the end of winter.
Support - They always seem to devolve into F2P-dominated chaos. I haven't attended any of the "recent" ones, but they sound like they suck even more than I feared they would... --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 04:08, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
- No it does not.--Degenret01 04:40, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Serious oppose - The events team does a fine fine job, absolutely. But you are missing a couple points when you proposed this thing. Those events focus on a specific action event, each of which tends to exclude a vast group of players. As a whole, all players have a chance to participate. But NOT all together, all wikians, of all combat levels and interests. The fests allow this, they are they ONLY "event" that allows everyone to come together. Getting rid of them entirely is stupid. I do think we should drop it to two a year, maybe even one. But drop entirely? Not very productive.--Degenret01 04:40, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose, support reduction to annual or bi-annual - Per Degen. The Wikifest does not need to be axed entirely and nor is the Events Team its replacement or successor. True, the Wikifest needs some serious redesigning, we can deal with that after this one, but chucking it out would be the easy way out. 222 talk 04:42, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Strong oppose - I used to atteng the fests back in 07/08/09 when they were so much better. It isn't that the current organisers are just crap at their job; it's that our popularity has risen and we get so many more interested players! Regardless of whether they end up as a mess or not, it's still the community coming together. I usually have to wake up at like 6am, but I really don't mind as I get to see and chat to users in-game that I never usually interact with. Let's attempt to improve it at least; you guys still haven't tried the "event's team ran wikifest" yet. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 11:23, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't mind an ET wikifest (to the contrary, I strongly prefer it over community planned ones); however, the rest of the community seems to disagree with me. --LiquidTalk 11:25, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Strong oppose - Wikifests are part of the RSWiki history, and if they are organised, they are fun to do. They should definetely not be removed. And even though we don't have an event in time for this season, does that mean we are won't have them in time for the next seasons? I don't think we should remove Wikifests just because we missed one. JOEYTJE50TALK pull my finger 11:50, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Support ET run fest - The discussion stage of the fest is pointless, for reasons I've listed on the other wikifest thread. Having the ET run the fest would make it more efficient, and consequently more enjoyable. I will elaborate on this where needed, but read my points on the other wikifest thread first.12:49, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Neutral/Comment - I've never been to a Wikifest, but, to be frank, they look really boring and repetitive. Costume contests? Cabbage bombs? No thank you. I was thinking, perhaps instead of completely terminating them, why not do a complete overhaul on them? Example: The Events Team could create a Wikifest, annually or bi-annually, and just run it as a normal weekend event. Instead of doing the silly events that one entails, maybe have it as simply an event where we get together and talk? Get to know our community, do a minigame, sit around and talk, discuss wiki problems and help people.
The way things are, the current Wikifest just doesn't look like it's going to happen. No one wants to plan it because they're boring and repetitive, and I have no idea how the turnout usually is but I can guess. I Support a complete overhaul - change it into a simple weekend event instead of making it this massive repetitive thing that no one wants to help plan. 17:58, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - We just need to rethink them. Having the same old events year after year is something that could be... better. I also think that they should be less frequent.18:09, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - This is the only event we have organised by the entire community. Maybe doing some different things would be good though. Also I oppose the ET running this, if they were to run it there would not be anything special about it compared to any of there other events. Only having 2 a year is probably a good idea, but this should stay a community organised event as it is the only one we have.00:27, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- You're reasoning isn't really correct. The wikifest is different to other events in that it has a wide variety of activities in its duration. It won't become like the other ET events, because it will bring a lot of them together. Like the GWD and H&S the ET is hosting, it may bring them both together to create something well coordinated and epic. We keep leaving this as the only community organised event we have, and it usually always turns out as one of the worst events we have. Chicken7 >talk 01:14, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- But having less of them per year will probably make them have more quality as we can do some better planing. 01:20, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
Neutral - While I have not attended the few (minus the last Eastern Fest) over that past two years, I disliked the unstableness of them. I grew tired of reading people bicker over what should be changed or left the same, why it should move to a subscription server rather than one where all players could join regardless of membership. I'm for their removal, but I see that with our current setup it isn't too feasible to get them all done.
Bi-annual is how it should go relating to how long discussions on the Yew Grove last (Three to four or more months in several cases). I would be for the Events Team organizing them since they are part of the community and suggestions should be still made by non-members. If it's the discussion you like, why not try a project namespace talk page?
Another item of interest on my mind was the overarching decisions on keep the lackluster and biased costume contests year after year. This is what made me loathe them in the first place. Not everyone has the same tastes and there was never a theme to be had for each fest. The final point I'd like to make is that splitting the fest into two parts never works. Either you have one with low attendance and one with much more but at a later date in time. Ryan PM 06:34, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
Support - Besides, the Wikifests have become increasingly crowded and less enjoyable as our readership goes up- not necessarily something that is bad, or something we can control, and itmay be that I don't like crowds, but I don't find them enjoyable or worth having as a seperate event. If the Events Team wishes to make a new gathering, so be it, but IO wouldn't go anyway. R.I.P. WIkifest.--Cheers,22:28, March 2, 2011 (UTC)
Change - The wikifests need to change. I the time is inconvenient more me and some other people. I suggest that the fest should be moved an hour or 2 for convenience. 2 the starting points are sometimes....hard to get to. 3 the events STINK. Why not use the toy merchandise from that arabian dude? If these changes are not to be done, I think I will Support.04:55, March 6, 2011 (UTC)