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There are a lot of good and great administrators on this wiki. Unfortunately, like every other Wikia, there are few that have some foibles and others who's behaviour is so egregious, that their lip service to the regulations or the overall juvenility in their discourse harms the wiki and lowers its standing. Regrettably, Stinkowing is one of the latter and should have his administrator privileges revoked immediately.

First of all, when becoming an admin, Stinkowing signed this contract: I, Stinkowing, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realize that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my powers because I realize that this is a serious offence and if the community finds that I have done so, my powers will be revoked and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban.

There are several past incidents that I'm sure many of you can innumerate which would give cause for the desysoping of this user but I will focus on three current events.

First of all, I would refer all of you to the user pages of Stinkowing. On his talk page, he has on top:

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This page in a nutshell:
What do these three things have in common?
Civility
No personal image/"why was my pge deleted?" questions
Not being an absolute noob
Answer: They all are rules to my talk pages. Don't break them.

First of all, a user can not invent rules for their own page. Second, as an administrator, your job is to answer no personal image, why was my page deleted and other "noob" questions. This is required from you. You also don't block, you don't even rollback an edit if it was made in good faith. However on this page, beyond the terrible lack of tact, he states that he might on occasion block people who's edits were wrong but accidental. This is a minor detail. For a major one, I will now refer you to User:Stinkowing/A_message_to_EVERYONE!. I was trying to copy the most salient parts but that entire essay states that he will brazenly ignore or violate this wikis rules because some stuff annoys him. If for nothing else, this should be enough to remove his admin priviliges.


Next up is an incident that happened a few days ago. The gist of it is that someone was making a good faith edit and his article was speedy deleted twice. He was frustrated and posted "if your going to be like that i will forget you are here" on Stinkowing's page. Instead of simply repeating the event, you can read it directly here: User_talk:JJ9630#Being_stubborn. This is yet another example of immaturity and abuse of power.


Now for the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. There is a debate here as to the inclusion of classified information. I'm sure most of you read parts of it if not participated in it. There were two seemingly diametrically opposed and entrenched viewpoints as to this topic and consensus seemed impossible. But there has just been a breakthrough with both sides seeming to accept a compromise and tempers were indeed calming. And then, Stinkowing decides to post this:

FUCKING HELL!! What is WRONG with you people?! Jagex does NOT want their private information disclosed AT ALL! PAY ATTENTION, PEOPLE! This is the WORST pointless arguement since the Tavvy crap! DECIDE SOMETHING BEFORE I GO NUTS!!!'

and later:

Hahaha, pathetic. As for those of you (like Karlis, Chia, and Rendova) who are disagreeing with the bunch of reckless fools who want our beautiful wiki shut down, you know what you're doing, at least.


Any of these single examples is enough to have his rights removed and this is a clear cut case. Stinkowing has shown chronic disrespect for others, a flaunting of the rules he is supposed to uphold, abuse of power, inability to control his emotions and general immaturity. Because of this, at the very least his administration privileges should be revoked and a temporary block should perhaps be instated.

However, before any discussion takes place, I think we should give Stinkowing' a chance to state his case. And an important note: if Stinkowing agrees and is cogent of his lacunae or disagrees but accedes to the end result regardless, he can voluntarily step down immediately bring to immediate term this discussion.--Diberville 16:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems like pretty unacceptable behavior. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 23:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
*grits teeth* Thank you, Diberville. (to Tebuddy) Stay out of this until you know my view.
Let's get straight to the point: I've gone insane. I've just spent the last TEN hours at my mom's workplace (an elementary school) moving every last bit of her room down, and I'm BEYOND exhausted I got on the computer for some R&R...and THIS is what I see?! THIS is the rest and relaxation I GET?! Diber, what makes YOU so able to decide my fate? You're not a judge, thus, YOU alone cannot decide what happens to me. That is up to the entire active community! (also, WHY did you bold my name almost EVERY time)

Beyond that, I'm sick of this. I'm sick of the Wiki, I'm sick of the users, I'm sick of the vandals...EVERYTHING!! I wouldn't care if I was PERMABANNED BY EVERY OTHER SYSOP, I'm just SO sick of all the shit I put up with EACH AND EVERY DAY!! "Why did you delete my image?" "Why are you so rude?" WHY DO I CARE? If I'm not feeling good enough to even answer those problems, I doubt I'm GOOD ENOUGH for any of you. And that's JUST ONLINE! OFFLINE IS EVEN WORSE! I've got a grandmother with blood vessel problems in her head, a workaholic father who we're pretty sure is going half-deaf, a stressed out mother, financial difficultes, a religiously overzealous sister and brother-in-law, a new President-elect (who is not ready for the job) to worry about...and it just KEEPS GOING! The following is my current beliefs. If I mention you and you don't like what I said, TOUGH. Life hates me, and I'm going all-out here.

I think that the Yew Grove is nothing, but trouble. We have the wiki set against itself in the motion to reveal confidental, and the numbskulls who say it's OK to post what Jagex doesn't want known leave their poor reasons unexplained.
I think Dtm is indeed too draconian to the point of seeming like a cabal-leader, and is overly blunt with things.
I think Chiafriend is a goof-off and needs to get his priorities straight.
I think old editors like Eucarya and Vimes are wusses and gave up because of their laziness and uncaring attitude (have you HONESTLY looked at Eucarya's page? HE'S AN IDIOT FOR GIVING UP!).
I think Tebuddy and Earthere are nosy and need to stay out of other's ways of doing things.
I think Btzkillerv is a troublemaker, even though he's TRYING to help the wiki.
I think the forums are SHITTY, and need to be removed entirely.
I think that revoking my sysopship will hand the victory over to Total Rune. This in itself is HUMILIATING!
I think that Diberville needs to not judge people and seemingly deliver the verdict (AKA my death sentence)
I think that the wiki is at such a new low, it's below Hell. Vandals are arriving every day, and I've blocked countless amounts that weren't blocked on-sight. The community lies between breaking the law and keeping the peace currently, and I'm not dealing with that.

MY DECISION

Diber, I've had my say.
I would like my sysopship temporarily (up to a few years, and at LEAST three months) removed.
I would like to keep op status on IRC.
I am taking a long, long, LONG wiki-break, only stopping by IRC and to look up RuneScape quest guides. I don't know when I'll be back.

My only wish is that I am not banned; that would be more than just a slap in the face to me. Oh, make it TWO wishes: DO NOT ANNOUNCE THIS ON THE MAIN PAGE FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE. Keep this here, archive it, do whatever. I'm feeling beyond shitty now...suicidal, to an extent. I don't want to die, but I'm not taking abuse and disrespect anymore - I'm just not. If abuse and disrespect is what sysops have to feel, then I don't want any part of it. I just want to be free of any burdens that my life gives me...

Autism sucks. Depression hurts. I suffer.

--Stinkowing

o/t:Yer autistic? Damn, you can phrase things better than I can. WWTDD? 00:51, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I am a pretty nosy person, but this is not an office where matters are discussed by you and your boss. This is a wiki where every decision is made by the community. This sounds cold, but stop acting like such a big victim. Your situation here is the result of your own behavior. As for your entire post, I think thats the reason that you don't deserve admin. Have a good break, be healthier and less stressed when you choose to return. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 00:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The explanation in fact serves as the epitome of the problem of your administratorship. You demand respect, do nothing to try and earn it and in fact show a mark disrespect to others and still condition that the rules bend around you. You have massively violated the rules that you agreed you would respect when gaining sysop and now expect that sysop to be given back to you whenever you wish. I appreciate your willingly giving up admin rights but if you wish to have it back, you will have to go through another Request for administratorship. You have given many reasons for your behaviour and I sympathize with your real life problems but this still does not change the fact that you have broken the rules for both editors and for administrators. And still, you ask that the rules be curtailed especially for you. I ask you why should we again ignore the rules and allow you to keep op status on IRC when only admins have op rights and that you have yourself banned people on IRC when they annoyed you and at other times indulged in that same jejune behaviour for which you yourself banned them? Why should the wiki make a special case for you and not announce your dysoping when we have done so in every other case, most recently, PureMexican?

Finally I ask, if someone had treated you the way you have treated others in the above mentioned examples and violated established protocols, do you even ask yourself whether or not you personally would ban that person? The rules apply equally to everyone here, be they anon IP or bureaucrat, all editors are equal and will be rewarded and punished summarily equally for their transgressions and contributions.

I think that a one month ban would be appropriate, not just for your violation of the rules but much more importantly, it would give you a guaranteed wikibreak that will allow you to cool off and to get things into perspective.--Diberville 01:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Per Stinko's decision, I have left Sannse a note to desysop.-- 02:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
...DAMN, what was I fucking THINKING? I just now woke up in yet another Indiana morning...and remembered that I'm screwed here, and I feel REALLY bad for saying all those things about people like Dtm, Chia, Btzkillerv, and the like (except for Total Rune, of course). On top of that, something tells me a block IS needed...mehhhhhhhhh...I'm never gonna be liked here again...7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko)

Give Stinko another chance to prove his worth as an admin. Clearly he has the ability; why was he sysopped in the first place? A short ban may be appropriate, but don't suspend his admin powers just yet. He has some major real-life problems which are clearly contributing to his behavior on the Wiki. The ban should give Stinko some time to think about this, and hopefully he will return with a new attitude. If possible, do not ban him at all. He might need a getaway from those problems, and being banned may deprive him of this.

However, I fear his admin powers have already been removed.

Stinko, I understand that your real life problems are difficult to cope with. Everyone has been greatly depressed at some point, including me. I don't know what's going to happen, but if you are given a temporary ban and do decide to return, I'll still be here. :)  Tien  16:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

    1. Firstly, I think that using the page in a nutshell for rules is a great idea, and is NOT an offense, as they are user talk rules, not decrees that get you banned if you don't obey. Also, it's his page, nothing, nothing, should be put on trial if it is on someones personal userpages unless it actually fully breaks one of the actual RSwiki rules.
    2. Secondly, Stinko, I was more for the offer of perhaps demoting you to rollbacker temporarily or something before I read your verdict. However, who are you to personally abuse people, just because they don't fall into the line of your side, just because they have a different view, that is horrible.Also, orderign people about just becaus ethey made an edit before you is un called for. Tebuddy did no wrong, and if i were him, I would have actually written a complaint.
    3. Thirdly, So what If you've got problems at home? Everyone does. I'm still at school, and have been told that unless i treble my Religous Education grade, I can't take subjects early, although I'm already working at university level. Your hom life is not a safetynet, you still have a choice about your actions,
    4. You leave President Elect Obama alone. If there ever was a time for him to come to power, it's now.--
    5. My Verdict: Permanent Ban, Why should Stinko be able to abuse us then tell us that we can't ban him. He deserbes more in my opinion.

SmithingZilenserztalk! FishingJoin the RSWP today! 18:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Zilenserz and Stinkowing, leave politics out of this discussion. There is no need to bring Obama into this.-- 19:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I kinda jumped when I read the Obama reference 2 spots above. Agreed, let's leave politics out of this before I transform into a werewolf... I mean paulbot o.O Rendova 19:51, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
In this situation, I have to agree. Stinkowing, I hate to oppose you, but I support the wikia in desysoping you from your powers. Why?

Well, after reading the evidence given to me, especially your outbursts, I have to agree that you outbursts of anger definately warrent to the desysoping of your powers, at least. A ban would be overpowered, in my opinion, because I feel that the temporary desysoping of his powers would suffice for a reasonable punishment. I feel that, when you feel that you have far more control of your emotions, especially your anger, then perhaps you should try regaining your previously held powers.

But until the effects of time heal your wounds, and until you gain far more control of your emotions, specifically your anger, I highly suggest you step down from your position of power.--Pkthis 20:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Zilenserz, you just compared your home problem, which is a bad grade, with Stinko's, which include financial problems, a father going half-deaf, a grandmother with blood vessel problems, and basically all-around family problems.  Tien  20:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

PLEASE REMOVE THIS LINK FROM MAIN PAGE - I'm terribly sorry and I support this thread but this is getting too serious. Not as an editor, but as a Professional Support Worker and a Therapist for those with Autism, Epilepsy, CP, etc, this conversation cannot continue. Stinkowing has made suicidal threats and provoking this discussion is a hazard to his health. I have requested support from Central and this discussion needs to end. End his sysops powers, grant him his leave and close this ASAP. Thanks!

Bonziiznob Talk

20:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Um, I don't see it on the Main Page. Are you referring to the template with headlines at the top of your screen? Butterman62 (talk) 20:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Pkthis and pretty much everyone else. I think Stinkowing's adminship should be removed and he should be given a one month ban to cool off. Stinkowing I really think you need a wikibreak and I feel a one month ban from the wiki, forums and IRC would be beneficial to you. I wish you the best of luck in life and I hope you work everything out. I also strongly recommend family counseling. Prayer-icon.png Sir Lenehan File:Smite old.png|25px 21:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I never lost respect for anything you said, Stinko. Maybe because you didn't mention me :x

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22:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Support permanent deadminship and one month block. I do not appreciate being called a "reckless fool who wants to get the wiki shut down" or a "draconian cabal leader" (which is it?). I do not mind if you disagree with me, but trolling and attacks cannot be tolerated. This incivility is unacceptable and bad faith assumption. For these reasons alone, Stinkowing should be desysopped and given a one month block. Dreadnought's incivility was far lesser compared to this, but he was rightfully desysopped. I suggest a block (at least one month) and deadminship until a successful RFA is completed.

I understand that you are going through personal traumas, but you are not alone. I am sure that every editor has problems in their life, but that does not excuse severe violations of the user treatment policy. I suggest that you seek counselling if you are depressed, that you recognize your worth in life (your life is valuable to God and your family/friends; they do not want it to go to waste), and most important of all that you stay away from the wiki. This website is obviously not helping your situation, and your recent actions have hurt the wiki. You need a wikibreak until you are feeling better about yourself. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope that you will one day return as a much better user. Dtm142 22:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Although I strongly disagree that Stinkowing's sysop powers be removed, I agree with Bonziiznob. If you have to, block him, desysop him, and give him the wikibreak. I also completely agree with Tienjt0's opinion. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 04:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

After careful consideration, I've decided to support both a one month block and desysoping. Stinkowing, your behavior has been unacceptable and is inexcusable, in the past week alone you've improperly blocked a user, participated in flaming, improperly closed an RfA on the assumption of bad faith , and have made personal attacks against your fellow editors, these alone are worthy of an indefinite block. All editors are equal and you are no exception. Sysops are suppose to uphold the rules they enforce, not blantantly flaunt their breaking of them. Watching your actions I have honestly said to myself on multiple occasions "he's lucky he's already a sysop, because he'd never pass an RfA today acting that way..." Stinkowing, you are a good person, and I do like you; however, for the good of the wiki (as well as yourself), and to uphold the rules, this seems to be the most appropriate option.--

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17:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow... Err... This is the first post to this section in like 10 days so I hope I'm not doing anything wrong but... I think Stinko should be blocked from the wiki for at leasat a month, and after that he can decide if he wants to come back. I don't think he should be desysopped because Stinkowing has been a great user and a good sysop, and perhaps if he returns from wikibreak as a more mature person he can still make use of these powers. If Stinko is desysopped, it shouldn't be permanent. He should be able to hold an RFA to get his sysop powers back after he has shown that he can handle himself. Good luck stinko, hope you can get those irl problems sorted out :).Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 02:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Give him another chance per Tienjt --— Enigma 19:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Stinkowing, take a break from the wiki or anything that's causing you stress. Please take a step back and then come back refreshed and then come back. I'm sure everyone loves the wiki, it's like their baby, but trust the wikia that you helped mold to be able to exist and improve even with your absence. While we all cannot agree, we must make sure to respect and be considerate of everyone. I'm sure when you are refreshed, you will be professional and fair as before. Piscesvisionary 00:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

A comment from Total Rune

Hi, I'm Total Rune. Before you go to remove this comment due to my infamy here, please fully read this. I was directed here by my friend Daedryon. He told me he was personally worried about Stinkowing, as he had read Stinko is autistic and contemplating suicide.

Firstly, Stinko, I want to fully apologize to you, as well as the entire RuneScape Wikia, for my actions, which I am thinking are one of the lesser reasons behind this current change in your life. Speaking man to man Stinkowing, I know what you're going through. Believe me, I've thought about it too. But it's not the right thing to do. There are many people in this world who care about you, and would blame themselves if you did go through with suicide. What you need right now is someone to talk to, to open up to and discuss your problems with. I want to direct you, if you are reading this, to this site: Suicidal Help Group on IMVU. This is where I went when I was feeling down. The owner of the group is a close personal friend of mine, and she's helped me through alot. You won't be criticized or anything on this site.

Onto the autism. I also know abit about autism, as my cousin is full-on autistic, and currently in a group home for children with autism. Autism is a tough thing to live with, but I can't vouch for that, as I'm not autistic, but actually ADHD.

I'm gonna end this reply now. Stinko, if you are reading this, and you need someone to talk to one on one, you can always email me or add me on MSN, my msn is [email protected], or as I suggested above, try the Suicidal Help Group on IMVU. We care about you Stinko, and I know I speak for the RuneScape Wikia when I say we'd miss you terribly if you did die. 76.76.3.121 04:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, also, I forgot to say, about Stinko's comment "I think that revoking my sysopship will hand the victory over to Total Rune. This in itself is HUMILIATING!", believe me Stinko, you getting your sysop status revoked does not make it a victory for me. All I care about is seeing you get some help, because I'd hate to hear that you killed yourself =( 76.76.3.121 04:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Staff note

Hi all, I've been asked to look in here... I can see that tempers are frayed, and think the advice to take some time away to calm is good. Stinkowing, we have talked offline before iirc, and you are welcome to email me again so we can talk about what's going on here on the wiki. Thanks all -- sannse<staff /> (talk) 21:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

My view

When I was a noob on this wiki he wouldn't just explain if I put a personal picture on the wiki that else I could use Photobucket or something, he just explained it more roughly. I ended up deleting my talk-page items from being embarrassed. Just to be evil, give him a ban - would show him to act more nicely.--Boilar 01:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

That's kinda like... Vicious and vengeful...Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 01:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
>.< well -points at Stink and cries. Playing; well what can I say? Just agreeing he's not the type of people who are nice, let's say. --Boilar 01:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
That was VERY mean of you to say that out of spitefulness and hatred. I have feelings, too, Boilar. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko)
Yeah well, should've thought about MY feelings first before pointing out like I'm a fool. Everyone is a noob at the start you should respect that. --Boilar 23:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
You are being VERY disrespectful right now. I'm done with you. Seriously. You have proven to me that you are not able to act civil towards me. Now stop making me look bad, because I could explode again, and I DON'T want that happening.7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko)
Please, Boilar, this discussion doesn't need to be any more charged than it is. Stinkowing has edited on this wiki with good faith for quite some time and has made several very positive contributions to this wiki. There may be some immaturity displayed here, but all of us make mistakes from time to time.
Stinkowing, I'm sorry that discussions have to go on like this. Calm down and ignore petty little personal attacks like this. I'm sorry that you have to read this sort of stuff, and I would have to agree that what was said here is very disrespectful. Ignore it all for the moment and relax. I'd like to see you remain here on this wiki and help us to make a better guide for other Runescape players to use. That is your choice, and I hope that you choose to continue your participation here. --Robert Horning 05:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)