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This thread was archived on 9 January 2010 by Gaz Lloyd.

He is clearly out of hand and abusing his powers. Stop him before he ruins the wiki.-- 04:40, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

No he's not. --Nup(T) 04:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I seriously disagree Raneck4 04:43, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

His deleting the crowns was too far.-- 04:44, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I am very suspicious of an ip who hasn't made an edit in nearly 2 years knowing about this issue, or even caring about it. BVCJBucket detail.pngrwojy 04:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Just because he deleted a few pictures, Fruit.Smoothie, doesn't mean he should be desysopped. scoot4.pngscooties 04:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

He believed that what he was doing had serious merit, so it was not as if he was vandalising. He was being bold, and nothing wrong with that. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 04:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Its not like he deleted the crowns because he didn't like them, he had a reason. And there's a Yew Grove thread to bring the crowns back anyway. --Nup(T) 04:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Edit:Sorry Fruit, I apologise.. --Nup(T) 04:50, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - As I said before, i disagree. He seemed to have deleted the crowns for what he viewed as a valid reason. Raneck4 04:51, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I made this thread not Fruitiesmoothie. I don't even know her.--Bob quest 04:52, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Still very suspicious. Why would you care about this issue? You haven't edited since April of last year. YLKVHBucket detail.pngrwojy 04:54, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
I almost never sign in but I edit from random IPs like 3 or 4 times a week.--Bob quest 04:56, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
So why sign in now..? scoot4.pngscooties 04:58, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
because people were saying I am fruitsoothie.--Bob quest 04:59, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Still very suspicious. Why would you not log in? And furthermore, how can we know if you are telling the truth? Also, if you edit from ip's, then this issue wouldn't affect you, because an ip cannot have rollback or sysop rights. NBTBBucket detail.pngrwojy 04:59, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
You have also said you don't know fruit, but you almost surely read Forum:Crowns and AEAE if you are trying to get Degen desysopped. If that is true then you would know exctly who fruit is. scoot4.pngscooties 05:01, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
The actions of a sysop affect the whole wiki which I use all the time. You are going off topic--Bob quest 05:05, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - He had good faith and was just being bold. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 05:04, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - OMG FLAME FEST!!! --Nup(T) 05:04, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Degenret01 is a good administrator, and has been on the Wiki for ages. He did not abuse his powers, and deleted the crowns with justifiable and logical reasons. While most of the community does not agree with his actions, it does not mean that what he did was wrong, and certainly does not mean that he is ruining the Wiki. Those are extremely weak reasons for desysopping him. C.ChiamTalk 05:05, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Before someone tells me to read RS:AGF, please realize that asking for someone to be desysopped for one thing that you don't agree with, and also saying He is clearly out of hand and abusing his powers. Stop him before he ruins the wiki., is not, and cannot be, a good faith request. PEJHBBucket detail.pngrwojy 05:09, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, desysopping someone is a very serious matter. All questions regarding the user and their statement are acceptable in this situation. scoot4.pngscooties 05:11, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Why the fuck HELL would you think I'm the one who started this? I'm extremely offended, if I get blocked for excessive language, then so fucking be it. I'm fucking GOD DAMN pissed, not only at everyone who thinks I like provoking flame wars, but also simply because they're misinformed about the subject on hand.

If I'm just going to be receiving crap from everyone I meet, then I might as well just hand in my badge. Oh wait, I don't have one, this is a dictatorship, not a democracy, there is no consensus, as you can tell by one of the admins just randomly removing a much-used image for his personal reasons, not the reasons of the community. I don't recall there ever being a VfD, or even a forum topic or Yew Grove listing regarding the matter.

If a crown is depicted as being an authoritative symbol of leadership, then how could that be harmful in any way? Better than being abhorred from a cajoling mass of idiots ensuing chaos and violence everywhere you go. People are too ignorant these days; simply because the significance of an image denotes an external value doesn't mean it has to mean anything at all. By that fallacious logic, we should remove all Godsword images since they're overpowered as compared to bronze daggers.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my vulgar language, but as you may know, I am an extremist, and my viewpoints will never cease to change. Deleting the Crown.PNG image can NOT be condoned simply as "all editors are equal", by that reasoning, you should have a policy that states "all images are equal" too, since that is essentially what the topic is about.

My case in point, I might just resign prematurely. But one user is making that extremely hard to do...

P.S. Hi Caleb! Fruit.Smoothie 05:18, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Tsk. Your actions speak for themselves and the reason people may have thought it was you, is probably because of the image you have created for yourself as well as your recent comments against Degenret. C.ChiamTalk 05:33, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Caleb, I'm sorry if I should favor people who continuously seek me out and want to block me. I have been using, editing, and enjoying this community we have built upon, for at least 2 years now. I not only use it as a source of information, but also as a place where I can relax, take it easy, and see how my fellow members are doing. The point of me even using this Wiki is to have fun and enjoy oneself, is that not an unspoken fact of life? Fruit.Smoothie 05:37, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
You are fighting a case on the wrong thread. This isn't about the crowns, it's about desysopping Degen. I'm sorry if I offended you by accusing it was you, but you have to admit this is a little fishy and you are the 'only' one who has a real 'problem' with him. It is only natural to assume it. scoot4.pngscooties 05:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Pardon me, then, for resorting to an unfavorable tone with you. I thought we mutually understood each other, though, on behalf of our past discussions...I guess that's not the case. Can't trust anyone, can you? If it helps, I never single out any person or thing in any of my community-related discussions, that is just unreasonable and immature.Fruit.Smoothie 05:39, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
No one has to "seek you out", you throw your offensive off the wall comments at every opportunity and they are all over half the topics in the Yew Grove. Your about as unobtrusive as the fabled pink elephant.--Degenret01 05:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
And you're about as funny as Stephen Hawkings. No, seriously, it's called lightening up. Man, that should be a policy around here, it could give half of the users a hint as to what I'm doing. I don't see a reason not to exercise the First Amendment, so long as I am not profanely harassing or intimidating any other users. Fruit.Smoothie 05:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
I see what your saying but you have the wrong setting. Your talk would be highly appropriate if we were sitting around playing Xbox or watching sports, but this setting is more like study time at the library. Everything in its' own place and time.--Degenret01 05:50, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
How about this? How can it in any way be considered funny or 'lightening the mood'? You do make good edits to the wiki, but your comments are not very appropriate oftentimes. GILQUBucket detail.pngrwojy 05:54, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Not trying to aggregate you even further, but that link you provided shows that I at least have some sort of respect towards Degenret. Well, that or I was drunk when I wrote it.

In that case, may I entertain you with a philosophical epiphany on why I think Atheism is the correct choice as opposed to Christianity? Or is that nonchalantly boring per your intellectual causation. Just kidding. I get what you're saying. But this is a gaming forum after all,the professionalization of our discussion irks me all the time.Fruit.Smoothie 05:53, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

This is a forum to discuss productive topics to improve our Encyclopedia. scoot4.pngscooties 05:57, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
In that case, let's get back to Business. I oppose the request to block Degenret, even if that is going against this policy.Fruit.Smoothie 06:00, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Ignore all rules doesn't seem to come into this discussion at all. Chicken7 >talk 06:23, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - This is ridiculous. Per all other opposes. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 06:18, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme oppose - Absolutely ridiculous. Degen is one of the best admins on the wiki. He has been here for ages before most of our current users and admins even signed up. He was simply doing what he thought was right. There was no backlash to his actions until now, anyway. It didn't seem to affect the wiki much. Chicken7 >talk 06:23, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I really do not have much of an opinion on AEAE + crowns, but I'm sure Degen had a good reason for deleting them. Has anyone even tried asking him about it?

P.S.: Fruit.Smoothie, I understand why you were irked and all, and I know I'm not really the one who should be talking, but surely we can douse the anger and be content, yes? :D There are ways to express your opinions without enmity.  Panjy16  06:43, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - His general reason was that the crown represents royalty which represents authority. This argument was kind of battered down by the community, but hardly something worth a desysopping (RS:AGF) Chicken7 >talk 06:48, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Note of interest Due to we are on the verge of flaming I have added the "Heated" template. Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 07:07, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Degen is a good admin. Desysop-ing Degen would be doing a disservice to the RS wiki. Prgmbeta 07:48, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Degenret is a fine admin and I have never seen him do anything to make me think "Hmmmm, should this user really have sysop rights?". ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  08:53, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme oppose - Degenret, I would say is one of the best admins on this wiki, the crown situation may have been a small slip-up, but he had his reasons, To be de-sysopped over that, is just unthinkable. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 10:10, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment to Fruit. - Dude you seriously gotta hold your tongue, I have the exact same problem as you, I make SOOO MANY inappropriate comments. You're going to get into trouble if you can't stop yourself. On this, and in real life. Swiz Talk Review Me 10:37, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - He said 8 months ago that if I ever go to America and randomly notice him in the street, he would make me waffles since I have never had them. That is why I have to be nice to him. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 10:43, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose—Oh, please. Per all opposed above. Horsehead Talk 11:11, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Takes his powers seriously, and while I don't agree with him on everything (crowns), he does his job well. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:31, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment Thank you to all who opposed this. I care a hell of a lot for this wiki and it is good to see people realize that.--Degenret01 14:26, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think anyone will claim your bias if you close this now under Snowballism. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:29, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - So he deleted some images without a VfD, and maybe he wouldn't have become a sysop if he were to have done an RfA today, But he certainly isn't abusing his powers, so I can't support. 14:35, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Dave FredeTalk 14:36, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Do Bob quest and Degenret01 know each other outside of Wikia? --CharitwoTalk 16:36, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Degenret is one of the most mature users here. He can be trusted. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:07, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Request for Closure ' - I am aware of all Internet traditions (I read the whole topic), and I don't see any reason why this should still be open. For Gallifrey! For victory! FOR THE END OF TIME ITSELF! 17:12, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - A couple of deleted pictures won't ruin the wiki. Degenret is a trustworthy wikian and this is a rather ridiculous reason to desysop him.  Tien  17:18, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per C Teng and Caleb. He was only being bold, and I'm pretty sure he meant no harm. He only meant to help the Wiki, not hurt it. No matter what the end result is here, we're all human, and make mistakes. Hell, I don't even know if you could call it a mistake, he was trying to help the wiki in some way. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 17:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Per Sir Revan. Degenret01 will not be desysoped. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 18:21, January 9, 2010 (UTC)