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Today, he kicked everyone in the clan (at least 20 people) except for Degen (the only admin) and then promptly left. This is obviously wrong, and we feel that it needs at least some punishment. Having his rank removed for at least a certain duration of time might suit this well. Dicuss.--Scimitar77 05:47, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


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Support deranking as nom.--Scimitar77 05:47, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I was kicked and I wasn't even speaking. --Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 05:49, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Uncalled for and unjustified. Why arin WHY! http://s602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/Twigy_tag1/600px-Ff-camera-obscura-1.png Twigy. I hate broken neck ghosts...http://s602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/Twigy_tag1/Augustus_Sinclair-1.png 05:51, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Went on a kicking rampage just because Raleigh got kicked for gaming the system with a remark about a black person working around his house for 5 lbs of sugar a month. Also, Arin requested Raleigh's ban be lifted about a month ago, therefore he has abused powers. And as I write this, I have been kicked from the channel again. Lashazior 05:54, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - From what I just saw, he is doing it for no reason. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 05:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Arin should have lost his rank a long time ago. So....support. (wszx) 05:56, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support - I'm doing damage control in the CC right now. He's trying to enter and kick people at random. No one with that kind of attitude deserves a position of responsibility. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:57, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Raleighriper was unjustly kicked, so I simply kicked everyone then left so people could get back in. What is wrong with that? Raging about not being in CC for 10 seconds lol? And how is telling C Teng someone's ban is over abusing the system???? Raleighriper shouldn't have been kicked for that. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 05:58, February 6, 2011 (UTC) of and like I fucking care this site is so damn nooby. Sad that calling someone a noob is "offensive".

Why after the cc was reset did you come back in and kick people? Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:01, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
"Raleighriper was unjustly kicked, so I simply kicked everyone then left so people could get back in. What is wrong with that?" Thank you for proving my point. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 06:04, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
What point does that prove? We've cleared the cc before if someone has been kicked unfairly. And Sentra, I was trying to get Raleighriper back in the cc so we could talk it out :) Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 06:06, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
You couldn't, y'know, discuss the kick with Degen before deciding to clear out the entire clan chat? In case you hadn't noticed, most people don't like to be kicked for no good reason. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 06:11, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
He's right... You could have discussed letting him explain himself by bringing him back or at least warned people to come back in a minute after they are kicked. - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 06:21, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Based on what I've heard and seen, Arin has been heavily misusing his rank. 222 talk 06:06, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Just like a biased jury. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 06:08, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Let me clarify, I am supporting based solely on your actions, not Ral's comments, but your mass kicking afterwards, as well as more kickings a few minutes after. 222 talk 06:26, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - What was there to talk out? He made a racist comment, you did a bunch of unjust kicks. Simple as that.--Scimitar77 06:07, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

How the fuck is the comment racist??? Just because you refer to a individual's race doesn't make it racist for fuck's sake. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 06:08, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
That isn't what this is about, anyway. This is about you going berzerk over this and kicking everyone, which is obviously wrong.--Scimitar77 06:12, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not the one going berserk over the entire ordeal I simply reset the cc, took like 10 seconds and everyone could get back in. Look at who created the page and who supported. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 06:16, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
After the cc was reset, you rejoined and kicked more users. Explain that. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 06:18, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
I did that to let Raleighriper back in, but as soon as I realized it wasn't helping I quit it. Idk why people are raging about not being allowed in cc for like 2 minutes... Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 06:21, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
You joined/kicked/left twice ... svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 06:23, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Raleigh didn't need to be brought back in, he was kicked for a reason already stated above.--Attack cape.pngYodaAttack-icon.png 06:23, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Uh if you were kicked unfairly I'd be pretty sure that YOU would want back in the cc... same case with Raleighriper. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 07:43, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, there are a number of problems with that. First of all, if you believed that the kick was unjust, then you should have taken it up with Degen, the kicker, and attempted to solicit his reasoning for the kick, before doing something about it yourself. Two, your method of dealing with Raleigh's kick was completely unacceptable; you did not warn others that you were kicking them from the chat, nor did you explain why- that makes a mass kicking of every other user in the chat even more inappropriate than it already is. You basically forced Degen to vacate the clan chat in order to remove everyone else's kicks, which had the convenient side effect of removing Raleigh's kick- your personal goal. You inconvenienced (and apparently offended) everyone else to accomplish your own agenda. Three, regardless of whether you believed Raleigh's kick was unjustified, he doesn't get to circumvent the kick for any reason whatsoever, including contesting it. This goes for YOU as well; point four, when you were removed from the channel for your sudden and completely ridiculous mass kicks, you returned and you continued to randomly kick people. There is no excuse whatsoever for that behavior, other than that you were throwing a tantrum and raging yourself. I am extremely disappointed that a user whom the community felt was worthy of a rank in the clan chat decided to grossly abuse their powers in this completely inexcusable manner. Oh, and your conduct in this thread isn't helping much either, with remarks like "and like I fucking care this site is so damn nooby. Sad that calling someone a noob is "offensive"." Take some time and figure out just how badly you screwed up tonight if you want to have even the slightest chance of keeping your rank, or more likely, regaining it. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 07:57, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

paragraph is too long for me to read Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 08:11, February 6, 2011 (UTC) OMFG UR TAKING AWAY MY PIXELS [email protected]@@@@@@@@@@2

Support - As per nom, this was immature, there was no need to kick everyone Marrioneetee 08:26, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't being immature at all. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 08:54, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
You certainly are now. ʞooɔ 13:44, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Upon hearing of the events and judging by his behaviour on this thread, he cannot be trusted anymore. LordDarkPhantom 09:04, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Whoa...I honestly never expected this from you, Arin, you've been one of the most trusted members on the wiki for a long time. Sorry it's coming to this, but we can't ignore something like this. Real Nub 09:23, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Jedi is someone this clan chat has relied on for a long time and to see him do something like this is a huge disappointment. I have no time or sympathy for people who act as stupidly as you just have, sorry.   Swizz Talk   Events!   10:35, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


Support - I have just had a read through your RfF, back then you still had a few attitude issues and occasional outbursts, but they were very small and far between. Despite this, you calmly and maturely discussed them and explained yourself. You also showed very little aggravation at opposes, a trait that too few people have. You showed humility and accepted that you could be a bit immature sometimes

Quote from RuneScape:Requests_for_adminship/Jediadam4
Comment - I was not have been mature, respectful and responsible a while back when I made those mistakes, but I believe I am mature, respectful and responsible now, for sure. Jediadam4 23:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

But with this you have gone too far, you abused your powers instead of discussing the kick with Degen and when we try to discuss it (in this thread) you make stupid and childish comments. With the way you are acting now, i would highly doubt that you would even pass an RfR.

Quote from RuneScape:Requests_for_adminship/Jediadam4
Comment - A lot of thing can change in five months. I believe Jediadam can be trusted with forum admin tools. I mean, his powers can always be removed if he does abuse them, which however is very, very slight. Tien 16:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Comment - And I won't abuse them to the slightest degree, if this succeeds. Jediadam4 19:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I oppose any sort of ban from the cc, but i support a removal of your rank. - [Pharos] 12:33, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support - Showed incredibly poor judgement, and is refusing to take any responsibility for the quite large mistake he made. I don't want you representing the clan chat. ʞooɔ 13:11, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - After reading through comment and comment, being kicked from the channel, and your attitude towards this, I have no reason to believe that you should keep your rank. Dragon defender.png EidolonRydiaTalk HS Argonite 2h sword.png 13:20, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Question - Is this the first time that something has happened? If so, I'd oppose because I don't think it's fair to remove a rank for just one mass kick when we have not done so for other offenders in the past. Last year, in February, there was a kicking incident in which I was kicked at least twice from the CC. The ostensible reasons were were: both had something to do with clearing out the CC, which is also similar to what Arin said his reasons for kicking were. In last February's case, however, no one even bothered to mention any punishment of any sort, be it deranking, temporary ban, etc for the party involved, who shall remain nameless here. For consistency's sake, I will not support any adverse action for Arin if this is the first offense.

That being said, I don't know much about Arin, besides the fact that he slightly gets on my nerves when I quickchat a level up and he interjects with his own quickchat (which is either level 99 or 120). If similar things have occurred int he past, then I'd support the deranking. My 2 cents. --LiquidTalk 14:46, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

There are a couple of differences which really must be stated here. In the case last year, the kickings were accidental, and people agreed to clear out the cc to let the kicked back in.

In this case, the kick on Raleigh was fully intentioned. Arin talked to no one about resetting the CC, he just proceeded to do so. Also note that after this initial round of twenty plus kicks, a short time later he proceeded to hop in and out of the cc randomly kicking people people just for fun. This lasted until he was kicked, where upon we had t reset the CC again. However much he can argue about the first round of kicks, his later pure abuse was indeed just that, pure abuse.--Degenret01 15:10, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support deranking - As Degen said, the second round was inexcusable. --LiquidTalk 15:16, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Based on his behaviour with the situation aswell as his response on the matter I agree with everyone else. - Runecrafting Kgomes Talk Farming 16:21, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - This kind of immaturity is absolutely unacceptable, not to mention how poorly that reflects on us if someone was visiting our CC at the time that this happened. --Aburnett(Talk) 16:29, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I was being very mature by quickly resolving Raleigh's unfair kick by clearing the CC instead of raging about it here. And speaking of immature, Raleighriper just sent me this screenie. Wtf? Another unfair kick? I'm not the one that should be banned. Guys, just because he is black and from the south doesn't mean you can kick him whenever you guys want![1] stop with the unfair kicks please??? Stop hating on me just because I'm in a different social group; being a maxed elite player. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 19:07, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
He was trolling for a significant amount of time before he was kicked, and playing the race card is irrelevant since there is no way of proving or disproving it. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 19:12, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Can you ask him to send me that Emma Watson nude pic?   Swizz Talk   Events!   19:18, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Lol, I just noticed that, very mature. ɳex undique 19:22, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
He wasn't trolling, he was trying to be nice and fit in with the discussion but then you guys started hating on him. And you have a Skype/email/Youtube account or something where I can send the pic? Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 19:25, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Who kicked him? OMG! I was chatting with Stelercus and was under the impression that he left of his own accord. I remember Gareth was in the CC also at the time, but I'm not sure if any other ranks were. I didn't kick him, and I'm fairly certain that Stelercus didn't either. --LiquidTalk 19:26, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
That obviously wasn't an example of him trying to connect with people, that was him trying to show off. ɳex undique 19:28, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Oh and I see, being proud of having achieved a high level deserves a kick? Who the fuck is running this cc. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 19:30, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
No, but talking about how his high-level friend can kick anyone is. ɳex undique 19:32, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Incivility isn't helping your case. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:31, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Regardless of his actions in the CC, the way he is acting on this thread alone demonstrates that he's not mature enough to handle the rank (at least not anymore). Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:31, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

You're a moron. And a noob. [2] <--- why isn't someone getting banned for that??? Racists. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 19:33, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
He has a tab about the KKK open...ɳex undique 19:35, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
So what? that has nothing to do with any of this. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 19:40, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
I found the amount of porn open in that screenshot highly amusing. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 09:16, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Changed to Stronger Support - Per his reaction to my original support. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:38, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I tell the truth, and if you do not like it too damn bad. Bless ye, fucker. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 19:40, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
Just so everyone is aware, I did kick raleigh this time as he had been disrupting and riling up the CC for a significant amount of time beforehand. But this is not about him so lets move on. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 20:29, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Jedi, please remember that incivility is unacceptable. If you continue cursing people out like you have been doing for the past hour or so, you could well end up looking at a block. --LiquidTalk 19:42, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I already blocked him. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:43, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment to Arin - If you're still reading this, please listen. If you really wanted to be in a CC with Raleigh, you should've just joined another one for an hour or so, or communicated with him through private messages. Resetting the CC for one kick was totally unnecessary, and should've been done ONLY with express permission of everyone in the CC, not because your friend got kicked, and you thought it was impossible to do without him for 1 hour. You've been a good rank up to now, but your behaviour lately has become unacceptable, you've ended up with a block, and it's not like you to do things like this. Don't let it all get to you in the future. Real Nub 19:48, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

"[Resetting the CC should be] done ONLY with express permission of everyone in the CC," That's not true. Any kick that is proven to be unjust results in the CC being reset, regardless of the wishes of the CC users. However, we've not established that the original kick by Degen was unjust, so it remains just by default. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:54, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
I phrased that badly Frown Real Nub 20:53, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - I haven't seen or don't really recall your actions prior to this, but from what I'm seeing of your behavior now, in both the CC and this thread, is totally unacceptable of a rank. Mining cape.png The Last Pun Talk Aberrant Spectre Champion.png 21:34, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - While I wasn't in the clan chat at the time of this, I cannot and will not support or oppose Arin's removal of rank. However, I would like to take the time to say that I wish you had asked to reset the clan chat for any kick. I know you and Harrison like to joke and I'm fine with it (worse goes on the IRC from time to time, the clan chat is too liberal sometimes on language, religion and politics in my opinion), just not clearing out the CC without the permission of other ranks. As well, reading through this people have stated that you continued to kick users after the initial round, I might have missed an image of such happening, but why did this happen? Someone on here commented on what Harrison had in another window, nothing no matter what it is shouldn't have any bearing on the discussion at hand. I hope that you are continuing to read this thread at hand. Ryan PM 23:35, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - I am new in the Clan Chat and I have barely been talking. Just recently, I got kicked from the clan chat. I wasn't even talking! Badmuffins 01:52, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know Arin wasn't in the CC at that time and you were kicked, along with many others, for an unsuccessful CC reset. Ryan PM 04:31, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
I'm really sorry about that. Ryan is right that Arin doesn't have any blame for your kick; that was my fault. I was trying to reset the CC but a certain unnamed sysop refused to leave the channel, meaning that we were unable to successfully complete the reset. Again, sorry for the kick. I hope you understand. --LiquidTalk 02:20, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
IT WAS ME. Lol idc. I stand by my decision. Christine 03:45, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per Arin's actions on this forum - if you think the wiki is nooby, it might be better if you weren't representing it... Ajraddatz 04:39, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I kind of understand why you did the first one and if thats all you did i would say you should keep your rank, but coming in after and kicking everyone and then doing it again a few hours later was completely unacceptable and there could be no legitimate reason for it. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 05:37, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Even if it wasn't you a few hours later that kicked people, saying that after you realised kicking people the 2nd time was helping you just left sounds a bit dodgy as if you realised it wasn't helping wouldn't you just say you would clear the cc and tell degen to leave again? Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 09:15, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Degen has requested the removal of Arin's rank due to continued disruptive behavior in the CC. Since this discussion is ongoing, please treat it as a temporary suspension of Arin's rank, which will be restored if this thread fails, or become permanent if it passes. Thanks, --LiquidTalk 02:42, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - I know I'm not neutral, though Jedi has not implied that he has even the slightest interest in moderating the chat. The result of that, along with his lack of remorse for his actions and overwhelming support in favor of the following, Jedi's rank will not be returned to him at this time. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:24, February 10, 2011 (UTC)