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This thread was archived on 17 December 2011 by Ajraddatz.

There have been a few discussions about cutscene images on quest guides recently, including this RfU. There are a lot of cutscenes in the newer quests, and some users upload a lot of those cutscene screenshots to the wiki. I'd like to propose an addition to RS:IMP, having something like this:

"For cutscenes, only the most important parts should be displayed on the respective article. There should be no more than 4 images per cutscene, unless the article really would benefit from more. Action shots of cutscenes may look good, but they also increase the pageload a lot without adding anything useful to guides. Only images that support text should be added to articles."

Discussion

Support - as nominator. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 20:21, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support - RAEG at lag and untidy images all over the place. So completely unnecessary, the person is theoretically doing the quest while reading our guide, they don't need cutscene images. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:23, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I appreciate the effort and committment our image makers put into their work, but it comes to nothing when it impedes the rest of the article. Ronan Talk 20:27, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Fairy nuff - Yeah, I guess the rotm page did crash my chrome a couple of times in the past couple of days... Bluefire2 Talk page Vandalize my sig
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Support - ROTM and Love Story are 2 examples where pretty much an entire cutscene was uploaded scene by scene, which is pretty excessive, so limiting them would be a good idea What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 21:22, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per above. --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 21:34, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Completely unnecessary to have the entire cut-scene put on the page. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:52, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Unnecessary, yes! But not necessarily (get the pun?) not interesting. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 16:03, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per above Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 21:53, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't see why not. We can make the galleries collapsible when they exceed 4 (or any number) images. People who are not doing the quest and cannot do so (and don't care for the spoilers) will appreciate that. Another option would be making Quest/Gallery pages, although that is not very practical. Images, as long as they are tidily ordered (preferably in a not too large gallery) can be uploaded not just because they are necessary, but also because they looks cool. And cutscenes like the ones in Love Story or Ritual of the Mahjarrat happen to be "overall awesome". I really like the collapsible gallery idea though. It allows those who do not want to see images to not notice them at all and those that do want to see them are one click away. Also, we can use the slideshow option for galleries, which takes up the space of one large image. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 16:03, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

That'll still hurt users who have slow internet connections or are accessing the page from their phone. Only after everything is loaded are the galleries collapsed. And sideshows look awful, please don't use them. Suppa chuppa Talk 16:51, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
...phone...? User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:54, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
As in iPhone/Android etc. bad_fetustalk 17:57, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
Uhm... *pretends to know what you're talking about* Yes, right, how could I forget that... Uhm... *commits suicide* User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:02, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, then we could stuff everything into one huge gallery (something I would hate as it looks even worse) or the gallery subpage, which basically has the same function as collapsible galleries without the lag for people who don't want to see them. In fact, quite a number of wikis do that. Also, about lag and browser crashes: GU pages fully load within 8 seconds on my 1999 (or 2000/2001, not sure) computer and then cause no problems afterwards, so I don't see the problem. I've switched to chrome now for the goggles, but I see no difference with Internet Explorer 6 in terms of loading lag of so many images. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:58, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
I will tell you one thing: Those subpages will be visited so rarely it is definetely not worth having them. People who are doing the quest don't want the guide to be full of images without any purpose other than decoration, and people who want to see the cutscenes will watch a video guide, as those actually show the cutscenes instead of having a few shots of it. The purpose of images is supporting information, and having this many cutscene images is not supporting information anymore. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 18:05, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
Amount of visitors is not reallya factor. Has anyone ever visited poison (Vengeance), to name something. Also, images have one thousand better quality than youtube, as those videos are incredibly pixelated and jpeg. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:52, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
HD cutscene, there you go (press 720p). Have fun. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 19:19, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
The video was loading for three minutes, then the page crashed. Thank you, but it doesn't seem to work. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 19:29, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Don't get me wrong, cutscene images look good when done right, but an overload has the adverse effect. Vommack 16:07, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - While we shouldn't have LOADS of cutscene images, we should still have SOME, an image i just uploaded which shows a very important moment in The Ritual of the Mahjarrat was deleted within 10 minutes of being uploaded. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 19:21, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Did it add anything to the guide that could not be said with words? JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 19:23, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
I would not consider Sliske going to get his Barrows puppets again to be a very important moment What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 19:24, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
That's not what the image is about. The chatbox is only there because it cannot be cropped out. The image is of the Zarosian Mahjarrat attacking Lucien! What's the point of requests for deletion of people just delete images anyway!? Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 19:41, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
Also, our quest articles are NOT guides! THEY ARE ARTICLES ABOUT QUESTS! They just contain a guide in them! Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 19:46, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
They also aren't picture books. Suppa chuppa Talk 02:04, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I like more pics, what better way to illustrate whats going in the quest? also i see the articles to be more on the story in the quest. if you want a guide - go use a quick guide!to my talk page! King TALKWer den König nicht ehrt, ist nicht Lebenswert. 02:07, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Support (edit conflict) - Makes sense to me. [1] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 02:08, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Slight oppose - If you want a lag-free guide, go to the quick guide page. The main articles are supposed to illustrate what happens in quests fully. As a fairly inactive player, I tend to read those quest pages a lot even if I'm not doing the quest. Maybe its just me that's weird. However, too many pictures of too low quality could be annoying. --Void Knight 08:34, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

New Proposal - I have a solution that may please everybody. If Forum:Lores Project passes(and it most likely will) how about we keep the images that you consider "Unnessecery" into galleries on quest dialogue pages? It won't inconvinience people looking for a guide, and it will help Lore Enthusiasts understand the contents of the page better, after all, pictures speak better then words! Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 12:39, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

If we will be transcrpting quests too then yes, that'd be great. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:35, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
That could work, or it could create the same situation that we see here before us. Would certainly help with preventing articles from becoming cluttered with too many images that could be used, such as the image of Sir Tendeth's death which could complement the quote but not the article What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 21:42, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
The fight of Lucien Vs Dragonkin would be another great example, images can show it in a way that words cannot. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 07:35, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
And video can show it in a way that images cannot. Also, my proposal is not to forbid all images. I agree something like 3 or 4 pics of that cutscene are good. Just don't put 4 images of EVERY cutscene on the guide. Indeed, some cutscenes may need more images than others. Just don't flood the article like you're doing now. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 14:43, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
We dont support embedding youtube videos on this wiki though do we? Also i can't help but notice people are starting to enforce this despite the fact it hasn't even been passed yet. The Ritual of the Mahjarrat page doesn't even have a picture of Lucien fighting the dragonkin anymore! Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 09:38, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
The community actually already decided such images are not needed, so we had consensus for a very similar case already. I started this thread just to get this clearer and to get this in the policy. Anyway, no, we don't allow embedding. So? People who want to see such things will go to youtube, and people who want to have a guide will go here. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 10:13, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
So instead of being the best source for information we can be, you are basically saying "Oh they can just get that information on youtube!". Not to mention that request for undeletion really didn't have enough discussion to be a precedent for anything. Must i point out that our quest articles are not just guides? They are articles on quests! What's the harm in putting a gallery of a cutscene on dialogue pages? It doesn't interfere with people looking for guides, and images can show cutscenes far better then words. Not to mention a dialogue pages size isn't exactly going to be huge.. Limiting the gallery to FOUR images is not enough to show it well enough. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 20:04, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - I have added the proposed lines to the policy. However, the opposers bring up a good point in regards to having as much information as possible, so I will also add a line to the policy which allows a separate /cutscene page to be added for quests which can contain images of the entire thing for people who wish to read them. These pages can be linked to from the main quest page, thus allowing people who want to see more the ability to see more. The results of this proposal could be effected by Forum:Lores Project, but changes can be made on the implementation of this as needed. ajr 17:07, December 17, 2011 (UTC)