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This thread was archived on 15 October 2010 by Psycho Robot.

Earlier, I requested for a custodian crown to be made, and then I made one myself but a couple of other users had also made one. Now we can't really decide which one to use so the community can choose.

Forget about a changing the logo type discussion, just give a support #.

Image Creator
1 Custodian crown.svg ZamorakO_o
2 cust_crown.png Aburnett
3 Thebrains222
4 Thebrains222
5 Thebrains222
6 Thebrains222
7 Joeytje50

Also, my versions aren't aligned correctly yet, I will fix them later.

P.S. Degen, I know you are going to oppose all of them, you made that clear to me yesterday.

See also: RuneScape:User help#Custodian crown

222 talk 05:54, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Also - if no crowns are upon, no. 1 will be used.


None Can we stop giving a damn crown to every freaking group? Please? -- Degen says Unban TLUL  05:58, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

^I knew that would happen. 222 talk 06:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Hmmm... *looks into crystal ball* I foresee this going badly... Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:59, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Badly? Everyone loves to have little crowns to show off and pretend how cool and Mod like they are, crowns will happen. Oh, you're right, that is bad.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  06:02, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Can I suggest this? :File:Broom Equip.png|broom 1. I like the name janitors^_^, 2. it doesnt exactly have the connotations of 'important' which Degen is so against+AEAE - [Pharos] iPhone Edit06:09, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Janitors was a former Wikia usergroup (similar in purpose to helpers). It was discontinued, but as far as I'm aware Wikia didn't say it'd never be recreated, so that may mean we can't use that name. I'm sure someone will know more about this than me and can confirm it in one way of the other. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 11:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oh yeah, i remember from the last thread, but i still like janitor and the broom reminds me of janitors without necessarily causing confusion - [Pharos] 11:52, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I don't know why we have crowns but if we get a new one it should not be c because crat's have that and they have it cause b is used. Also make sure that it is uploaded to the wiki as a svg file. I don't like any of the current nomination because they shouldn't have c and should only be 1 letter. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:21, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose Crowns - Use a broom instead, it's more maintenancey.   Swizz Talk   Events!   06:58, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I tried to make a broom version but it looks really ugly. 222 talk 07:02, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
You couldn't just put a thick red circle around this? - [Pharos] 11:55, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
"because it's ugly" That's just a further reason to oppose someone, if they're doing it it for the crown. It doesn't matter if a bloody broom looks worse than a crown, you don't get the tools just for that.   Swizz Talk   Events!   15:48, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose all crowns - Because they aren't needed. At all. ajr 14:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Meh - While I don't particularly care about crowns, I don't see a reason to oppose this, as long as they are only used in userboxes and st00f. My favourite one is 6th, and 1st is almost as good as that. The others all epic fail. bad_fetustalk 15:32, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

The white one that already exists - It's not a huge deal, let's just take the simple one that works and move on to something important. HaloTalk 16:08, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Or deleting it works too...I just don't think this is something we should be focusing on, considering how much we have going on right now. HaloTalk 17:59, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
See below. HaloTalk 05:11, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Enough crowns. If any symbol should be used, it should be either a broom or nothing as the name implies. The crowns don't need to be added to and why do people have an affinity for them might I ask? Personally, I'd like to see them gone along with name highlights, but that's just me (And I remember the threads concerning the removals). Ryan PM 16:16, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - How about we don't give people some stupid aesthetic incentive for "getting" this group? ʞooɔ 17:53, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion - How is THIS for a crown? Here you can see a custodian sweeping a vandal! Snowy Christmas!1337rng3r|Talk T-Hawk wishes you a wonderful snowy Christmas! 18:04, October 4, 2010 (UTC)'s not for countervandalism. ʞooɔ 18:07, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Don't like admins being seen as special? Replace the blue 'A' crown with that XD - [Pharos] iPhone Edit18:16, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Can we please not turn this into a debate about the crowns? This is about selecting a crown for the new usergroup (which I don't plan to comment on in the near future), not whether or not we need the crowns at all. Any comments opposing on the basis that we should not have any crowns are irrelevant to the discussion, as that's not what we are debating. If you still feel inclined to discuss that, please take it to a different thread. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:15, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Let's not be hasty, one can approve of symbols for the other groups while not necessarily approving of this usergroup having an image (or having an image at this time).-- 19:43, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Wrong. People are asking which one, and some of are saying "No crowns". That is an extremely legitimate part of this discussion. You do not get to dismiss our voices because you disagree.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  19:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
The above is to Stelers comment not Azaz in case you got confused.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  19:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
If you want to rid the wiki of the crowns, make Forum:Remove usergroup crowns. That would be easier than throwing some opposes in a mix of "I like #1" "3 is bestest!", don't you think? Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 19:49, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
<Multiple edit conflicts, @Azaz>That comment was directed at people of the same opinion as Ajr, since he provided no reason for his opposition other than his desire to not have crowns in general. Cook, on the other hand, provided a reason as to why he wanted this group to be an exception; so the comment is not directed at him. Regardless, the warning remains, as I see this discussion deteriorating to an AEAE argument before it's closed. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:51, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion - As you might have seen i didnt spend very much time on it, but i suggest the idea of a purple crown instead of grey(very boring) and orange(same as bots' crown) I suggest: with a lot of improvements. I place it in the box above, but please improve it and replace it. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 19:40, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

It's not supposed to be flashy. It's just there for the sake of being used in a userbox for consistency. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:02, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't make it to be flashy. I made it to be different to the other crowns. I know the C is the same as in 'Crat, but else it is just a combination of crats and either boringness or bots. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:34, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Who the hell cares? - per all. Andrew talk 21:01, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Who cares? well, i don't really care, but i don't think it should be the same as a bot crown with a C. I think it is just because all other things have crowns too. And i also think there should be a "regular editor" crown, because All editors are equal(i know this isn't about weighing votes in discussion, but the essential is the same: regular editors deserve as much crown as "ranked" editors). JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:34, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oh you've gotta be kidding me..I don't think you have any idea what I'm talking about. Andrew talk 21:09, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Well, please explain then... JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 09:45, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Why on earth does this need a YG? Just go and do it! As for the voting mechanism, it is completely against the idea of the wiki as not a democracy. If you want to make a crown, fine. But, keep votes out of the YG. --LiquidTalk 22:22, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Just go and do it? So let them keep reverting each others crowns in an edit war? You think that is better than a discussion? Yea, okay.....-- Degen says Unban TLUL  22:25, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
I made this discussion so we wouldn't be overloading Wikia's faulty servers with reverts and uploads. I like (one of) mine the most and I'm sure Zamorak would prefer his - but then Joey - I have a feeling this wouldn't go so well. 222 talk 22:37, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
I don't really care how it looks, as long as we can agree, and it doesn't look bad. The only thing I hope for is a neutral coloured crown, or anything like that, so there will be no "flash" to being in this usergroup. RandomUser: Hey look a crown! Oh wait... it's a boring crown. Nvm. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 22:48, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
In that case, your off-white version or my darker-grey version[s] would be most suitable. 222 talk 23:01, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
I made your one less silver, hopefully the end bit of your comment will actually occur. 222 talk 23:28, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oh and I forgot about one more point of yours. I'm not trying to be democratic or whatever, I'm just trying to say that we aren't going to go the full Changing the logo-type length and just try to have a normal on-topic discussion. 222 talk 06:35, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal - First of all, be sure to give the group the largest one possible, and preferably the gold cuz it looks better than silver. And after that, amg, lets give all them a silver hilite! Heck, let's bold their usernames while we're at it! pls give me any other ideas you may have to lessen the equality of editors ajr 23:14, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

You're not funny Ajr. Some of us are not trying to be power-hungry. 222 talk 23:28, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
I'm certainly not trying to be funny, and I'm definitely not being power hungry by trying to reduce the "power" of administrators, and trying to prevent this group from getting any. ajr 23:30, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
I meant that you are implying that we are power-hungry, not you are power-hungry. 222 talk 23:51, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Not all of you, but some of you certainly. ajr 23:54, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
You're forgetting the purpose for which both the crown and hilites exist. The crowns are supposed to allude to the crowns player moderators have in order to make an otherwise uninteresting userbox more interesting (and no, it should not be used excessively outside that context). I would go as far as to say such an image is better than most other options because player moderators have similar, non authoritative roles to administrators. Never the less, I would support a different image, which is why I use a shield on my userpage (it fits the role of admins that much better). The hilites exist as a visual clue that a user is in a certain usergroup, which can be helpful on occasion. If you see a user with a different coloured name and ending in "bot", a new user can assume that it's an automated system rather than a human being without any prior knowledge that we have these. If a user is looking for or questioning if a user is an administrator, the green name provides this visual clue. Would a user assume these two things make the administrator better than themselves? What reason do they have to? If, for whatever reason, a user does actually decide that administrators are "better" than others (I've never observed this), how difficult will it be to set them straight? The benefits outweigh what I see as potentially nonexistent downsides. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:23, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
We aren't RuneScape, and there is a huge difference between a mod and a sysop/other user. But I don't want to discuss this here. ajr 01:41, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
I'm power-hungry, you should all bow down and worship me! (Sarcastic, but hopefully you can tell that, even though it's sometimes hard over just text). HaloTalk 02:51, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - ... I hope you guys just stop arguing and stuff, this is a poll-like forum, not a debate...And Personally, it's either, Joey's one (if it gets a makeover) if not, the gold crown, 6. Snowy Christmas!1337rng3r|Talk T-Hawk wishes you a wonderful snowy Christmas! 03:20, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Arguing is the point of the Yew Grove. We don't do things through poll - RS:NOT#DEMOCRACY. HaloTalk 03:24, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Also, it not one or the other, there is also a good chance we get to delete them and use none. For the first time in a year I am feeling some hope for the wiki.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  03:29, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose all crowns - Why the hell would they need a crown? Suppa chuppa Talk 03:32, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Hello! I'm just trying to get a decision made on which crown to use in the USERBOX. IF you hate crowns so much make a new thread to abolish them, don't kill the purpose of this one. If I had quietly uploaded a logo, no one would have cared or made a noise. 222 talk 03:38, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Soooo true. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 03:42, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Just made the thread. Zamorak's version was fine, same size, one letter, just different colour. So yeah...I don't see how you have anyone else to blame than yourself. HaloTalk 12:07, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Ahem, no one to blame but myself? This was meant to be a discussion to choose a crown, it was not meant to go wildly off topic which you were also part of. I could have not made the thread, but I did so that everyone could get a say. 222 talk 09:05, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Let's move all discussion on whether or not we should have Usergroup crowns to Forum:Usergroup_Crowns svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 04:37, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

No, the discussion is right here right now on selecting one or none for this new group. This trying to split it up is simply trying to sneak them past and get them to stay. -- Degen says Unban TLUL  04:46, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Too late, and stop trying to make it appear we have "malicious" intentions: "...sneak them past and get them to stay" 222 talk 06:31, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
No Degen, that discussion was irrelevant and needed to be moved. --Aburnett(Talk)

Strong Oppose all crowns for all usergroups - Let's just get rid of all of them, and getting rid of hilites wouldn't hurt either. HaloTalk 05:14, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I'm quite amused and fustrated that everyone's getting so hyped over something as trival as a picture of a cartoon crown. I'm going to have a chat about the DBAD thing afterwards as well, but right now, I'm going full with the custodian crown. Explorer's ring 3.pngBtzkillerv has entered the building! Cape (blue).png 10:49, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Any of them - [1] --Aburnett(Talk) 20:14, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Any of them - Just put one in and call it a day, this is completely irrelevant. This reminds me of a woman trying to pick out a color for a dress when they're all the same (and there's not even any accessories to this, so no excuses.) Move on, deal with it, or just do your duties without self gratification. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 21:15, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

I humbly offer this as a suggestion for the custodian crown: (wszx) 22:33, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

This request for closure was denied A user has requested closure for Custodian crown. Request denied. The reason given was: This thread was opened on a topic that doesn't need YG discussion, and has turned into a different discussion all together. I made Forum:Usergroup Crowns in hope of having discussion on the topic of whether or not we should have crowns, or something else there.

svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:19, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Alright then, could an admin just close it with no. 1 to be used. 222 talk 22:20, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Ok this is just a huge mess. I have denied closure because the discussion was hijacked and taken completely off topic before anything could be addressed. So I shall attempt to set things straight. This thread has one purpose: to determine what the custodian crown should look like. And yes the custodian usergroup will have a crown. This is because current consensus states that usergroups have crowns. Is that good or bad? Don't answer that. That is not what this thread is about. I realise that users have strong feelings for and against the crowns, but this is not the place to discuss that and until consensus dictates that all usergroup crowns are to be deleted, there will be a custodian crown. The discussion to determine if crowns should exist at all can be found at Forum:Usergroup Crowns. If you are coming here to post "i hate crowns they are against aeae and no one should have them!" then post it there and not here. Furthermore, do not come here to oppose just the custodian crown. Like I said, the existing consensus is that usergroups get crowns, so if you want to change that consensus, then Forum:Usergroup Crowns is the place to post it. The only topic of this thread is what the custodian crown looks like. I hope that now a productive discussion can take place here. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 23:38, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and i think number 1 is the best. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 23:40, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Interesting interpretation. I disagree. Currently the user group Users also has no crown, so this group does not get one automatically. If there is no consensus on THIS thread to keep a crown,then there will not be one. Don't put it into too many templates, it may not last out the week, and I know how much you hate redlinks.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  05:00, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Just because no one has made a crown for autoconfirmed users does not mean that they can't have one. If indeed all editors are equal, then all editors, including autoconfirmed users, can have a crown uploaded. I am not saying that they should, I am just unpassionately enforcing existing consensus as it regards usergroup crowns and aeae. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:29, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yet in any given situation, the status quo prevails. In this situation, they have not received approval for a crown, and with this many against it, they simply must obtain consensus to have it.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  05:37, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
The approval is that currently all user groups get a crown. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:39, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Negative on that, nice try though. That forum deals with current groups keeping their crowns. Any new groups getting a crown added isn't just going to be snuck through the way is being tried here.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  05:45, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
I have read through the forum threads indicated and there is never any mention that crowns should be limited to certain groups. I know that you hate these crowns, but you are letting that get in the way of enforcing aeae. You do not actually oppose custodians getting a crown. You oppose crowns in general. You are treating it like "if I can't get all crowns deleted, at least I can stop this one", but in doing that, you are violating AEAE. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:51, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Had the usergroup Users also had one, that would be correct. Since there is at least one usergroup without crowns, that shows they are not automatic for all.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  05:55, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Gimme a minute. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:56, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
As evil is busy proving to you, the crowns are for everyone. If anyone at any point wanted to create an autoconfirmed user crown, they would have been completely free to do so. Just because no one wanted to does not mean the right was not there. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:58, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Good gaming the system you two. -wipes hands--- Degen says Unban TLUL  06:02, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not very good but here it is. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:18, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, every usergroup now has a crown, everything is fair and we can all walk off into a rainbow and eat fairy floss. And Evil, that wasn't a bad effort, they're all generic and that's good. 222 talk 09:09, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - User:Pharos 5/Userboxes/Custurdian :D - [Pharos] 09:42, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Discussion has died down, and no candidates are viable except for number 1, since it is the only one which matches existing usergroup crown formats. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:18, October 15, 2010 (UTC)