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This thread was archived on 7 April 2009 by Bonziiznob.


Notice of Intent - The following changes will be implemented unless a strong opposition occurs, on April. 7th, 2009
  • If in the event a Sysop's privileges are revoked by the community, their clan chat rank will also be removed.
  • In addition to this, I will also implement the changes discussed in the discussion Forum:Clan Chat Consistency

We've been debating the correlation between Sysop functions and CC for some time with no actual discussion. The current "Wiki and CC are separate entities" idea has a numerous amount of flaws to it, and I hope we can correct this.

The issues here come from the the fact that they are related, but we tend to ignore that when it means doing something that would hurt the feelings of the person in question, regardless of how they're treating those around them. It's fair to say that you want to avoid conflict, but not being fair in the removal of these powers causes even bigger conflicts.

The biggest problem is that all sysops are automatically given ranking. If "the wiki and CC were separate" was true, why would somebody with status on the wiki automatically have status on the CC? If we go by the logic that "what you do on the wiki has no standing on your CC status," sysops should not automatically be given a ranking on the clan chat.

Giving clan chat powers because somebody is a sysop sounds fair, though. That's why we do it. The person in question has proven they are trustworthy. The issue, though is not removing them when they lose sysop status. This makes no sense. Losing sysop status means that the community has agreed that the person is not to be trusted.

If the community agrees that somebody isn't trustworthy with administrative type powers, why do we allow them to keep administrative powers on the CC?


Discussion

Support changing policy as nominator. -Byte_Master bytesig2.png bytesig3.png 02:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - I have been saying similar things in other discussions. The wiki and the CC are part of the same community and we need similar rules. You can't be considered a trusted user in one and not in the other. We have many of the same users and need to be applying the rules in a similar way. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 05:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - "Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't" is not acceptable unless it is clearly and objectivly defined, which is not the case at the moment. Since we are all fellow wikians, regardless if we are in clan chat or here at the wiki, it is only fair, out of consistency, that the same rules and rankings should apply to both places. A magic scroll.png WejerFeather.png 06:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support - Per Byte Master. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  07:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This post is redundant. The topic is already being discussed here.

Bonziiznob Talk

09:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Not Redundant - There is nothing in that page even remotely close to this discussion there. This is about the correlation between SysOp access to clan chat ranks and the removal of such powers if they lose sysop status. What you linked is a discussion about allowing blocked users in the chat and the entitlement of blocked users to ranking. That is not the same thing. This discussion should be continued. -Byte_Master bytesig2.png bytesig3.png 21:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, that is basically the same thing. Anyways, if it's not clearly stated there, you have my Support here 07:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Nah, a "blocked user" and a "user who has lost sysop function" aren't necessarily the same thing. A user can lose sysop status and not be blocked, can't they? ;) -Byte_Master bytesig2.png bytesig3.png 21:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per byte master. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 22:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Question - As we may/may not be removing the sysop status from admins for inactivity, does this mean they would lose there clan chat ranking? Vimescarrot is not as active in the wiki, but it frequently in Vent and on the CC.

Bonziiznob Talk

23:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, the discussion has focused on sysops losing their powers because of power misuse or otherwise bad behaviour. I don't see any reason why somebody shouldn't be able to keep their CC powers if they lose sysop status based on activity as long as they're still active in the CC. -Byte_Master bytesig2.png bytesig3.png 05:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Support - If you are trusted as a sysop you can be trusted in cc, if you are not trusted as sysop you should not be trusted in the cc with kicking powers Player moderator crown.png Poppop24 Skillcape emote icon.png

Closed - Sysops will not retain a rank in the clan chat if they have their sysop tools removed due to negative reasons on the wiki.

Bonziiznob Talk

01:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)