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This thread was archived on 22 February 2010 by Rwojy.

Note: At first, I will post few, if any links (because I can't copy/paste on the Wii Internet), but I will find the time to add some in later, if needed.

The last time I asked for User:Parsonsda to be temp-banned, people opposed based on the grounds of giving him time to improve and whatnot. However, recently, he has been far more brash and self-destructive, so much so that it's not just me who is finding it hard to apply RS:AGF.

One problem is that Parsonsda is a 'crat on another wiki, the "Kid VS Kat Wiki". While this may seem irrelevent to the community here, I assure you it has relevence to Parsons' behavior here. Here are the issues that rise from his pseudo-status on the KvK wiki:

  • A false sense of power. Parsons believes that because he adopted that wiki, then he "owns" that wiki. Several RSWikians have tried to offer their editing abilities to Parsons, but inconcievably, after much hard work, he asked Wikia for a mass rollback, effecively wasting the large amount of time that could have been spent editing on here instead. He has also told those certain editors from here to (paraphrased) "get off my wiki if you don't know anything about KvK!", even going so far as to BLOCK RSW editors like Stelercus for horribly-wrong reasons (Steler was told that his userpage was "not pro", and was effectively blocked for trying to help). Parsons has also mentioned in the Wiki CC that "he is an admin", which leads me and others to believe that he thinks he has "power" here on this wiki as well.
  • Plagerism. Parsons has copied, WORD-FOR-WORD, the RuneScape Wiki's list of policies (which he does not follow, anyway).

It's not much better on THIS wiki, either. Parsons has almost NEVER listened to instructions, and the introduction of his "projects" proves to me that he couldn't care less. He has:

  • Gone ahead with a project that violates Jagex copyright, advertising it on his userpage, and blindly assuming that people like/want it.
  • Requested a namespace, of all things, EXCLUSIVELY for his so-called "library" (which I personally believe is selfish and vain).
  • Violated RS:DDD at least once and RS:UTP quite a few times when I was trying to help him understand what he was doing wrong.
  • Continuously making worthless "projects" on the Yew Grove.

Not only that, but Parsonsda has shown a failure to comprehend the gravity of some of his actions. For example, in order to provide "offical proof" for his project, he has faked an image by Andrew. This is obviously not Andrew, and it is not found anywhere on the forums. The sheer lack of reason is astonishing. Faking an image on a subject with widespread real-life implications is, quite simply, unacceptable on this wiki. Parsonsda demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of ethics with that picture.

In short, Parsonsda is a disruptive, power-hungry user who simply wants fame, recognition, and status on multiple wikis. I am disgusted with his devil-may-care attitude and treatment/ignorance of those who TRY to help him.

I propose that we give Parsonsda a minimum of a one month ban and delete his copyvio'd "library", since it was not to be created in the first place. Please note that I have TRIED to assume good faith, but as of now, it is near-impossible to do so. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 20:07, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Edited with permission, ----LiquidTalk 01:54, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Forum:Request to block user again - The first discussion. C.ChiamTalk 01:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


Extreme support - It seems that Parsons has become more and more arrogant ever since he created his wiki. I fully agree with Stinkowing. ----LiquidTalk 20:38, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

May I also point out this to any person who reads this topic:

This tells me that he (Parsons) is willing to vandalize wikis that he views as problematic. We do NOT need that attitude in any way, shape, or form here. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 21:21, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... I think I'll change my vote from a support to a strong support. ----LiquidTalk 21:23, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Eh, since the opposition has taken "Extreme oppose" stances, I guess I'll up my support level too. However, I will change my vote to neutral or oppose if I read a good argument to the contrary. ----LiquidTalk 22:39, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Support - He grows more arrogant and power-hungry, and refuses to accept anybody's suggestions or comments. See here for evidence of his vandalism. That put it over the top for me. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 21:34, February 19, 2010 (UTC) 

At least he is trying to do something positive, but I still feel that his refusal to listen to advice is an issue. Neutral for now. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 22:40, February 19, 2010 (UTC) 

Support - Per everyone else. --Iiii I I I 21:37, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral for now, going to look at other peoples' arguments. --Iiii I I I 22:34, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Back to support. --Iiii I I I 01:25, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - Parsons refuses to listen to reason and seems to have no understanding of AEAE. Per Stinko, Tien and Liquidhelium. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:55, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Erm... could you tell me what AEAE is? I don't recognize it. =X ----LiquidTalk 22:06, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
See RS:AEAE Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 22:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Question - I get that he's done some things on other wikis that are troublesome. But can you get specific examples of disruption that he has caused on this wiki? I'm not opposed to this, I'd just like to see some RSW examples.

On a side note, copying our policies for another wiki is kinda in the spirit of wikis. I think we got most of our policies from Wikipedia, and our content is free to use and modify per the GPL type stuff. Cheers, Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 22:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme oppose - Parsonsda only tries to do things that are best for the wiki. These reasons cértainly aren't good enough to bad a user who's only trying the best for the wiki. There might have been some misunderstandings at kidvskat, but he apologised for that. However, we must first clearly point him whát he's doing wrong, and I'm 100% sure Parsonsda will do his best! Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 22:04, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Tedjuh, see Stinko's long paragraphs above. We have already tried to help him improve on multiple occasions. If you look in his talk page/archives (assuming they're not deleted), I'm sure you'll find ample proof of what I'm talking about. Enough is enough. ----LiquidTalk 22:09, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
I'm aware of that, but the boy is just trying his best to help. He doesn't really realise what he is doing. For example, if we compare the good things with the bad things, it's not even thát bad! And even... A MONTH?! Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 22:15, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Well... you may be right about the duration of the ban. One month does seem to be a bit excessive. If this were the first couple times that this problem has occured, then I wouldn't support the ban. However, like Stinko said, it's extremely difficult to assume good faith now, after so many recurring incidents. One incident just leads into the next. ----LiquidTalk 22:20, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict with TedJuh, Liquid, Scoot below) I agree, a 1 month ban is rather extreme. I don't think that the Dark RuneScape Wiki should have much bearing on his status here, but vandalism? I don't like that on any wiki. Although I certainly wouldn't propose banning him because of one mistake like that, there have been too many other incidents in my opinion. A shorter block may be in order. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 22:29, February 19, 2010 (UTC) 

Support - Per Stinko and I left the KvK wiki because of that commenting on "UnRuneScape wiki allover again" Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 22:06, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose ban for 1 month See bellow - We shouldn't ban someone for what they did on a different wiki. It does show bad judgement but hey, he wont get sysop. Yes he did take our policies and we can ask him to remove it and if he doesn't then get wikia staff will do it. I don't think he intentionally does it to get people mad, he just is either an attention hugger or (for lack of a better word) slow. He thinks that his projects will help and I think that he thinks that he is always correct. I think someone should try to actually talk with him 1 on 1 and see what he has to say. Depending on what he says I think he should just get a 2 week ban to show him we are serious (again, depends on what he says). scoot4.pngscooties 22:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Scratch that, he doesn't deserve to be banned for trying to help! scoot4.pngscooties 22:17, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Question - If it turns out that he will be banned, does that automatically mean a similar ban from the Clan Chat also? ----LiquidTalk 22:10, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Mega oppose Comment - im always helping, and you guys are out of control, i never broke a wiki rule, never, and im always active on wiki so please stop --Project Myface Parsonsda Talk | Sign Here | Project Myface Project Myface 22:11, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Here RS:DDD, Here RS:AEAE Thats just two Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 22:21, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict with Twigy) I'm sure that if we asked Stinko, he could name many violations of RS:CR. I can too. That's not just a violation of wiki rules, it's also a violation of real life law. ----LiquidTalk 22:22, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Is Parsons allowed to oppose this? Isn't him opposing kind of like supporting your own Rfa? ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  01:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think you're right. I have changed it to a comment. If, in fact, he is allowed to oppose, then please change it back. ----LiquidTalk 02:01, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose After i saw an impassioned speech on rs wiki chat I have to oppose any sort of block.--Obama Luigi 22:24, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Massive Support-We've warned him enough times, we've helped him enough times, he's spat in our faces enough times, I say it's time we punish him. Ok, once again, yes I know he's just trying to help, yes I know he's doing this all in good faith, but there comes a time when you gotta just say "We don't need your help", because honestly, we don't. While I must admit he's a FEW good ideas in the past, the pros don't outweigh the odds. Also, some time ago in the wiki,(as staed above) he said "Anyone else wana vanadalise the dark runescape wiki?". A few minutes later after no reply (except for me saying "isn't that against the rules?") he stated "I'll just do it myself". Later he said "just blanked their homepage". Now, lets take a look at this shall we? He's 'encouraging vandalism and giving the wik a bad name. Once again, I know he's just trying to help, but it simply is doing more harm than good. If you need any more reasons, lets not forget his "mod cousin" and the whole Runescape model viewer drama a while back. With all this being said, I suggest a temporary ban from the wiki OR atleast a ban from the wiki clan chat, if nothing else. And if this does not work and he STILL is a...JERK after that, then we might have to, well, permaban him. I think it really is a shame that one of the most enthusiastic editors has to be an arrogant..being like Parsonsda. Dragon 2h sword old.png Vex 327 Dragon full helm.png 22:25, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - He did end up on alot of people's ignore lists, though i'm not sure why. ♦Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 22:28, February 19, 2010 (UTC)♦

Oppose Support, see below - Although at times he may seem like he is being abusive, I feel he is doing it in full faith. Him copying the policies from here over to there is allowed, but under circumstances. Just as long as he gives attribution to the original authors, perhaps by linking to the history over here, and that he allows it under the same license. But, off-site works and issues shouldn't affect status here.
As for his projects, he just wants to help out. He can create them, as long as they do not violate copyrights and the wiki policies. Posting about them on the Yew Grove isn't the best place for it. He just needs to be told what the Yew Grove is for, discussion about improving the over-all wiki, not for personal forum posts. We do have forums for those announcements if wanted.
On to the topic of the library, he may not understand what copyright is all about. People have been telling him that it is violating copyright, but no one really explains what copyright is and where it is violating it. The text belongs to Jagex, and by posting it word for word is violating the copyright. Jagex had the copyright placed to prevent people from going out and copying the text, and placing it all over the internet.
I don't really see how a block can do to help him, but he needs a good talk with someone that can explain the things he needs to do, and not to do. ~MuzTalk 22:29, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comment Support short ban - I personally just think Parsonsda is... trying too hard. I know he's trying to help, but the abnormal rate at which he proposes projects annoys many users. Most of them are unnecessary, but like Stinko said, he assumes that users will love them and continues to work on them. Parsonsdas has shown that he doesn't listen to advice and is occasionally rude to those to try to help him. Also, I really don't get why he felt the need to blank a wiki's main page. On the other hand, I don't think he is ill-intentioned... to put it bluntly, he simply needs to learn to think before he acts. For now, I'm neutral. Unfortunately, after seeing his fake image, I'm forced to support a short ban.  Tien  22:38, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - This is true... He doesnt want to harm anybody, hes just trying his best for the wiki. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 22:46, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
I agree highly with that. He reminds me of another user... But I haven't much against him except that he needs to tone it down a bit. --
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Neutral - I know he's trying, but he has shown signs of obnoxiousness. As for copying our policies, I'm pretty sure we did that and other wikis copied us... --

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Comment - Fair use is generally considered about 20% of the original document. Since copying the book in its entirety is obviously more than 20%, it does not count as fair use. ----LiquidTalk 23:00, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Guess we're gonna have to delete the update namespace then. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 23:01, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
The Update namespace is fine, because it explicitly states that the text is taken from Jagex and quotes it. ----LiquidTalk 23:02, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Well, then we could have added that to Parsons library, everybody happy. Also, Jagex has given approval to copy their text and images for informational purposes. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 23:06, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Did Parsons add that to his "library"? NO! ----LiquidTalk 23:16, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
The thing is, he may not know about copyright laws and such. Therefore, he wouldn't have known about Fair Use. Someone should have told him about the small footnote needed. ~MuzTalk 23:22, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Just because a quotation was properly attributed does not mean a substantial portion of copyrighted text can be quoted under fair use. See wikipedia:Wikipedia:QUOTES#Quotations_and_fair_use. --Quarenon  Talk 23:27, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Read this. Ryan PM 23:37, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
That is definitely NOT posted by Andrew himself. It is obvious that Parsons faked the image. ----LiquidTalk 23:48, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
That is my point, he cannot be trusted. Reason why Iiii undid it as it was faked. Ryan PM 23:54, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Support block Pending Neutral, see below per that above link. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 01:26, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Also, Mark, see Forum:Letter to Jagex about the update namespace. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 01:43, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

STRONG oppose - Per all opposes. Parsonsda just wants to help. You guys have to assume good faith instead of treating him like garbage. FredeTalk 23:13, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - For crying out loud, assume good faith. Has he vandalized pages? Has he done intentional bad faith edits? If yes, then block him. If no, then there is no basis for a block. Ajraddatz Talk 23:26, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - As Blue was kind enough to point out, this image was obviously faked by Parsons. It has all the spelling mistakes that Parsons has, as well as several grammatical errors. The book is referred to as "Betray at Falador". I'd think Andrew would know the title is really "Betrayal at Falador". This is a blatant lack of integrity that is completely unacceptable on the Wiki. And, this isn't the only incident. Any CC regular will be able to tell you about Parsons's "stories" that he tells in the CC. They usually have to deal with wild speculation (I use that term lightly, a more appropriate one would be lies) or his "Phantom cousin". This is NOT something that we want on the Wiki. ----LiquidTalk 23:54, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comment/additon to earlier statement-Ok, that image that Bluesonic posted HAS to be violating one of the rules. And yes I know I must assume good faith, and yes, they've been in good faith, but he's been nothing but a nuisance. I mean, what else can we do? Warnings didn't work, advice didn't work, hell, we even had big "sit downs" and explicitly stated the rules to him and told him to stop, and even those didn't work. Bottom line, we tried everything else, nothing worked, so it's time to step it up a notch and start issuing the bans. And I've noticed that his "supporters" (Fruit Smoothie, Tedjuh, maybe Frede at times), have gone to great lengths to justify his actions, and they've all been a little...obssessive with Parsons. I think they might just be close friends with who just dont dont want him banned rather than wanting to help the wiki.Dragon 2h sword old.png Vex 327 Dragon full helm.png 00:01, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Frede and others, He's a good guy and he has tons of talent, Let's give him something to do? I haven't seen anything bad come from him that affects this wiki. Floppyc5

See the faked image? It is extremely embarrasing to the Wiki that one of our users has FAKED an image that shows Andrew commenting on a legal issue with farspread real-life issues. And you call that nothing bad that affects the wiki? ----LiquidTalk 00:06, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - No, just no. He's only trying to help. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 00:11, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Since when was faking an image helpful? ----LiquidTalk 00:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Edit on bottom. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 03:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Regarding the image, I only remember it because when someone in the CC asked if he had permission from Jagex to do this. He responded with an answer along the lines of "They gave me permission." Another asked Par to prove it. Par remarked "I'll show you." A few minutes later he uploaded to Photobucket and told us "Done." Moments later User:Iiii I I I undid the revision. Other instances I am aware of his deceit in his mis(dis)information is with his use of the scapegoat: Mod Trick. Ryan PM 00:16, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I suggest that everyone consider his actions (such as deception and vandalism) and not just the fact that he's trying to help.  Tien  00:19, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support As much as I hate to support a ban on someone who may be basically trying to help, that image of dialogue attributed to Andrew Gower is clearly written by someone whose first language is not English. We can debate the merits of any proposal (including Parsonsda's library), but actually faking evidence on a serious matter (legality in addition to wiki policy) is serious misconduct, and must not be tolerated from anyone. I would like to see Parsonsda grow up somewhat by the time his ban is up. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 00:32, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I was opposing earlier on, but that picture is now making me go away from opposing. Modifying a post to make it a complete meaning is one thing, but doing it on an important legal matter as Copyright Infringement is horrible. I support a block, though unsure of a specific time length. ~MuzTalk 00:38, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Changed to support - The reason we can tell that he is lying is if you search up his posts on the ROF the only Q&A question he asked was this. I changed to support because falsifying a post by a mod about copyright and stuff is just horrible. scoot4.pngscooties 00:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Slight oppose - He is only trying to help. Although I'm getting sick of tired of his "big projects" that are usually derogatory to the wiki, we need to assume good faith. He probably put a lot of thought into those projects, and only wanted to help the wiki. All of those suggestions were good ideas, but there were only problems with things such as copyright and the works. I think you guys have been patient with him, and I expected this much sooner. But I was going to oppose either way. Chicken7 >talk 00:54, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think the picture says more than enough. Besides, there is an extent to AGF. After one passes that threshold, it's not really in good faith anymore. Can you come up with a good faith that would compel Parsons to fake such an image? I can't. ----LiquidTalk 01:18, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
One image allows a 30 day ban? Because that is one of the only contributions that is ruthless rule-breaking. Chicken7 >talk 01:26, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
It is not simply that one single image. Have you not seen his vulgar attitude towards several users? I've looked at Stinko's talk page, and it's not pretty. But besides, that image is a serious breach of etiquette. How can you justify FAKING an image by Runescape's founder that has widespread real-world implications? ----LiquidTalk 01:30, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support Month Ban - Per my previous comments. Ryan PM 01:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support Month Ban- Per everyone else Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:29, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1 Week Ban - Parsonsda does almost nothing except annoy other editors, and we need to do something to get that point across. And it most certainly is not okay to attempt to fake an image regarding very real legal issues. 01:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Picture - In case not everybody has seen the link, this is the picture that people keep on referring to: andrewrswikiproject.png Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:30, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

And anyone with the slightest bit of common sense can see that it is completely made up. See Scoot's post above for proof that he did not ask any question of the sort on the official RS Forums. ----LiquidTalk 02:38, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1 Month Ban-Per everything said. Dragon 2h sword old.png Vex 327 Dragon full helm.png 02:41, February 20, 2010 (UTC) As much as I like your vote, you have already voted. We should follow the one man, one vote policy. ----LiquidTalk 02:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

RS:NOT#DEMOCRACY. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:49, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I realize that, but my point is that each user should only be allowed to say support/oppose once, unless previous votes are cancelled. ----LiquidTalk 02:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
We don't count the votes, but you still can't support twice. Lol Chicken7 >talk 02:53, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Noob beat me to it >.> scoot4.pngscooties 02:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I thought it couldn't possibly that bad when I first started reading the page, but I feel the faked J-mod post just really puts him over the line. --goldstar-1.png Aria Ryuko (Talk) miniMint.png 03:18, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal - Should this User block fail to pass, I propose that we at least establish a set standard for Parsons's future behavior, like putting him on probation. I'd say that should he be vulgar and duplicitous again in the two weeks immediately following the closure of this thread (if and only if it fails to pass), Parsons should be given one warning. After that one warning, he should be blocked. We are so lenient it is not even funny. ----LiquidTalk 03:28, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. I was in disbelief that no one had taken any action before this. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 03:38, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support one week block Now I fully sympathize with those who find Parsons annoying, aggravating, irritating, and obnoxious. And how he is a "jerk" on the wiki he made where he lords his power over others. But NONE of that is relevant to this discussion, and should not even be the topic or mentioned. I wanted to strongly oppose this block, as it seems a personal vendetta more than anything else, and that disgusts me. But from all the hype and nonsense one fact does emerge. What stands out is he was told in Forum:My_Project_Help not to make the library, and that it would violate copyright laws. His being informed of this is quite clear, and I recall it being stressed to him several times in the CC. Not only did he make it, he then faked a picture of Andrew Gower saying it was allowed. I see only these two things as being relevant to this talk. In matters where we may be violating the law we seek out what is allowed and proceed accordingly.--Degenret01 03:45, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

There it looks like he was told to work on it in his subpage witch he did. I dont think that they came to the conclusion to tell him to stop working on it though just that it wasnt going to become an actual project. Dragon helm.png Team6and7 Talk Dragon boots.png 04:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Ah, seen the picture now, per all supporters. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 03:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per other supporters. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 04:04, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Changed back to Support, above - I have stood back, taken a good look at the situation, and I still feel that Parsons should at the very least be put on probation. My reasons include:

  • Being offensive and vulgar to users, both on and off this wiki, and in the cc - Stinko's talk page, as linked above, is a good concrete example
  • Vandalising another wiki - I don't think that you would particularly want me around if I went and wiped out a Wikipedia page or two. The main reason for this is that it demonstrates a remarkable lack of good judgement.
  • Inability to listen to others simply trying to help
  • Power hungry - Yeah, this was on another wiki, but it still is evident here.
  • Lying/falsifying information - I think we have all heard Parson's tall tales (or seen his photoshopped pictures). Normally, I wouldn't consider this as evidence against him, simply a lack of character, but when he goes so far as to construct a fake image of Andrew essentially giving him legal permission to do something, that can have very serious real-world consequences.

This, in my opinion, justifies and necessitates us taking some action. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 04:45, February 20, 2010 (UTC) 

If Stink called you an "...attention whore...trying to be famous" [1] how would you feel? The crap between Parsons and Stink have reached a personal level and should not be considered here. They are both wrong but that isn't what this forum is about.--Degenret01 06:27, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I hadn't seen that. That was provoked. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 05:06, February 20, 2010 (UTC) 
Can't forgot: "My cousin is a jagex mod!" scoot4.pngscooties 05:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose one-month block - Per Degen. We don't block people for doing stupid things, and that's simply what I see most of the examples in the beginning as. Those aside, all we really have left is the faked image, which I really don't think warrants a block that lasts a month simply on its own. Was he trying to do harm? I doubt it. "Don't misinterpret stupidity for malice", or however it goes.Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 05:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per other supporters. Hunter Supawilko 10:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support - As my comment on Parsonsda's talk page is to prove, I have, and sure many others have, been treated like we are inferior, that is not acceptable by any standards. RS:AGF has been used to defend him in times before, but he obviously hasn't learnt from his mistakes, and has persisted with the behaviour that he was warned not to use. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 11:06, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - He is just trying to help. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 11:19, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I don't think he's even allowed to be banned according to RS:BLOCK:

  • A false sense of power.
So, you block a user just because he THINKS he has rights? Well, I've seen some worse then a person wishing to be a sysop, and sometimes saying he wants some rights. He has néver said he was a sysop.
  • Plagerism.
As far as I know you don't get blocked for this. What he did was partially Fair use, and he was NOT aware of the fact that it was copyright violation. Furthermore, this is not for the wiki to just handle. Jagex has given approval to copy their texts, and so Parsonsda was not doing anything wrong. Also, say goodbye to the update namespace if you don't like this.
  • Gone ahead with a project that violates Jagex copyright, advertising it on his userpage, and blindly assuming that people like/want it.
Soo, just because he wants the best for the wiki with a project, you're gonna have him blocked?
  1. You are allowed to advertise it on your userpage
  2. He thinks people would like it, he just wants some people to notice it. This is NOT a good argument.
  3. Jagex has given approval + See above
  • Requested a namespace, of all things, EXCLUSIVELY for his so-called "library" (which I personally believe is selfish and vain).
Soo, you're gonna ban him for wanting a namespace? Again, not according to RS:BLOCK
  • Violated RS:DDD at least once and RS:UTP quite a few times when I was trying to help him understand what he was doing wrong.
He did delete about three discussions, but all of these were placed back and he apologised for this. This is certainly not block-worthy enough...
He has NEVER personally offended or cursed at somebody. He might have said he annoyed himself about him, but NO serious offences. Again, not block-worthy AND he has apologised.
  • Continuously making worthless "projects" on the Yew Grove.

So, for gods sake, he just wants the best for the wiki. I think you have some personal reasons involved in this. If you dont like his projects, ignore them. If you don't like him, ignore him, but for gods sake, dont BLOCK him?! I mean, what the hell? Everybody once had to begin like this: they asked people for help, they tried to get better on the wiki, they tried to get people to notice him. Parsonsda just needs to get used to the rules, and THIS DOES NOT HELP! And, according to the points I just given, he isn't even allowed to be blocked... Maybe this should be closed. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 13:13, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

So explain the infamous picture! I'm sure you've seen it already! I've linked to it multiple times! ----LiquidTalk 13:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
The picture. He might have changed that one so you thought he was allowed to do the project, which was he allowed to do so anyway. Furthermore, you're NOT allowed to block anybody for lying, as you said yourself, and no policy exists for that (yet). Even if that policy comes to existance, it doesn't apply here, only at later cases. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 13:17, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I don't want Parsons banned, but I have a reply to that. He made that image for the purpose of deceiving us and making us accept his "library" because Andrew Gowar allowed it. If we did that, we would be facing major copyright issues and complaints from Jagex. This place could've even got shut down. Chicken7 >talk 13:21, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict with Chicken) There is no policy against it, but I think that most users agree with me (judging by the vast number of support votes after I posted about the picture) that faking an image from Andrew Gower on an issue of widespread real-life importance is completely unacceptable. ----LiquidTalk 13:22, February 20, 2010 (UTC) Point 2 and 3. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 13:24, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
What's the point of that? ----LiquidTalk 13:26, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
In all cases we retain copyright ownership and the right of approval in advance of you using any copyright material. We also retain the right to request anyone to remove the material.
— Jagex

It needs the request to use copyright material, but in this case, Parsonda did not have permission to use copyrighted material and he edited the image instead, claiming Andrew gave him the permission. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 21:18, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose Ban. Per some users comments like Mark's first one, and that stuff on other wikis shouldnt count here. --Woodcutting-icon.png LcawteTalk (Chars). Runecrafting cape (t).png 14:08, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

You may want to template your signature. Besides that, have you not considered his faked image? ----LiquidTalk 14:09, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support One Week Ban - I changed my vote to one week instead of a month. This should just be a warning. ♦Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 19:01, February 20, 2010 (UTC)♦

Slight Support - If I'm honest, you've got to admit that Parsonsda goes on alot, and the vandalism is REALLY not good. This would be an oppose, but he's just trying to help (maybe too hard) and wants what's best for the Wiki. However, he is arrogant and refuses to listen to advice, and has been even worse since he took over that other Wiki. Perhaps just a short ban? SplâshTâlkSîgn hêrê 19:07, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Question What vandalism? FredeTalk 20:10, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - RS:AGF clearly states (as the last sentence) that constant lying is inconsistent with good faithl. It's extremely difficult to find excuses for Parsons's lying behavior when it is clearly defined not to be in good faith. ----LiquidTalk 19:10, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support Month Block - see File:Ket-Zek.PNG and File:Yt-MejKot.png for evidence of immature behavior which, imho, is well below the standards of Admin status. --TheLastWordSword 19:09, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme Oppose - So you're banning him for something he can't help?  Swiz Talk to me 19:12, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Get a templated signature please O.O. Your signature is really long on the source code. Anyways, have you or have you not seen the picture that Parsons faked? Read the comments above for the other users' opinions on the gravity of the situation. ----LiquidTalk 19:14, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme oppose- its quite apparent that you guys are just banning him because you don't like him*Mookie lucid*

Strong Oppose - Per Swiz and Oli, he can't help it, and he usually tries to help the wiki. (I know that he lies a lot, but I dont think that's a good enough reason for blocking someone.) bad_fetustalk 19:18, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

The deceitful picture that he faked is the main reason. We really can't apply RS:AGF anymore, since the policy page defines constant lying to be in violation of AGF. ----LiquidTalk 19:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Look, Liquid, he has ADHD it causes him to lie, maybe you should read that and gain an understanding of his disability No it's not a disease, Mark  Swiz Talk to me 19:26, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Do you know for sure that he even has ADHD?♦Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 19:31, February 20, 2010 (UTC)♦
you can't prove that he doesnt have it either. I choose to believe him. I honestly dont think that he is lying about it, for such weird reactions, he must have a disability. bad_fetustalk 19:34, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure that he actually does have it. He's lied so much now that he's almost become the Boy who Cried Wolf. I don't know what to believe and what not to believe. ----LiquidTalk 19:36, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I can see what you mean, I saw him lying multiple times too, but as I stated before, someone MUST have a disability to act such weirdly. bad_fetustalk 19:44, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
We have to believe what he tells us.  Swiz Talk to me 19:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) If you look in the American Psychiatric Association's guidebook, you'll find may "disorders" that normal people wouldn't even consider to be abnormal. So if that's what you mean by disability, then yes. Otherwise, Parsons may be telling the truth. If not, he could just crave dulpicity or something like that. ----LiquidTalk 19:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
And Swiz, RS:AGF says that constant lying is not good faith, so AGF doesn't apply here anymore. ----LiquidTalk 19:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
He cannot help it.  Swiz Talk to me 19:54, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Why not? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 19:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - The day we block someone on this wiki for their actions on other wikis is a sad day. Andrew talk 19:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Andrew, Parsons has faked an image on this wiki. It is on a significant topic with real-life implications, see Max Bulldog's statement above for reference. ----LiquidTalk 19:49, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
and since when does faking an image causes 1 month ban? bad_fetustalk 19:53, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
He faked a forum post by Andrew that gives him Copyright permission to use Runescape book content for his library. It could have gotten the wiki shut down. This, and the cumulation of Parsons's other behaviors, leads me to believe that we need to take a stand and send a clear message that this kind of behavior is unacceptable. ----LiquidTalk 19:56, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Not really, the library would be removed and nothing would happen to the wiki. bad_fetustalk 20:04, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just my two hundredths of a dollar: I think that Parsons is actually sort of being mature, in that he hasn't lashed out at anyone badly. With all this bashing, it's surprising that he hasn't lost his temper. Most people would lash out. Just my two cents. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:53, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Look here. ----LiquidTalk 19:54, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
That was after he changed. In the ast few days he changed to be "Nomad" as a fresh start  Swiz Talk to me 19:56, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
My point is that he did lash out, contrary to what Oli claimed. ----LiquidTalk 19:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Not as badly as most people would. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 22:08, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Anyway, i don't think anyone should be saying "he can't help it" until we know for certain that he really can't. Just my opinion. ♦Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png

Then just don't comment, because that's really important about this. bad_fetustalk 20:13, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I really doubt that he can't help it. I think he can, but chooses to do it anyways. We've given him plenty of warnings before, so he is well aware of the consequences. ----LiquidTalk 20:16, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
So you are saying that being aware of the consequences should neglect the effects of his disability? That's just ridiculous. bad_fetustalk 20:24, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I never said that. I'm saying that it's not possible to prove he has a disability. I realize that I can't prove he doesn't, but you can't use a disability as evidence here. ----LiquidTalk 20:26, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Claiming to have a disease that makes you lie is... as low as anyone can get. If absolute lack of any hint at morality was not enough, the Wiki can only be harmed by editos who are prone to spreading false information and rumours. Finally, anyone claiming to have J-Mods are breaking RS Rules and therefore have no place within the Wiki. His continuous ignorance when it comes to rules, both ours and Jagex's, as well as utter inability to listen to anyone but himself, completed by his only motication being attention grabbing, this user should be banned, and not as a warning since a warning would not work on someone prone to ignoring others' actions and opinions. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 20:22, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Dyslexia is not a disease, please, stop calling it that, It's a disability Swiz Talk Review Me 20:29, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
You can't prove that he has any sort of disease/disability in the first place. ----LiquidTalk 20:30, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
And you can't prove that he doesn't. FredeTalk 20:33, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
But you can't prove that he does. ----LiquidTalk 20:34, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Look, we can be here all day figuring out is he does or doesn't, you have to see both sides Swiz Talk Review Me 20:35, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
There is absoulutely no way of figuring out if he does or doesn't as Swiz said, therefore you can't say people neither not to use it nor to use it. Here, people will need to decide themselves. bad_fetustalk 20:37, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The bottom line is that neither of us can prove if he has/doesn't have a disability. Therefore, we cannot use the disability as a reason for either side's arguments. ----LiquidTalk 20:38, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Like I said before, we have to trust what he tells us Swiz Talk Review Me 20:42, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
-.- Swiz I'm tired of you trying to apply AGF to a case where it doesn't belong. Constant lying is clearly defined to not be good faith. Therefore, AGF does not apply! ----LiquidTalk 20:45, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
And I'm tired of you not understanding, he says he has adhd, we have to believe him. And Adhd causes him to seek attention, lieng is a way of seeking attention. Swiz Talk Review Me 20:59, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - First of all, be familiar with User talk:Ruudvan10000#Work on "your" wiki and understand that of anyone here, I have easily had the most trouble with parsons in the past. I was trying to not have an opinion on the matter, but from Tedjuh's comments in the cc, I can no longer remain silent. I do not believe that Parsons is a bad person, nor should he be blocked, because he has simply misguided himself and made repeated mistakes, something I know all of us are responsible for, be it on this wiki or in real life. While some of his actions can be annoying, and somewhat disruptive, they are not in bad faith and do not seek to harm anyone. He only wants to help, nothing more. The clear solution here is to keep a close eye on him and direct him when needed. If required, we can use RS:IAR to bypass RS:DDD and instantly delete any of the "useless" threads that he creates until he learns from the mistakes. There is more I could say, but I am going to stop for now because this is already quite long. Anything else will be expressed through comments. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

In addition, parsons, please stop blaming things on your ADHD. I have the same disorder and have it well under control, and it has nothing to do with lying in the least bit. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 21:01, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Your post does not explain away the fake forum post he made of Andrew. ----LiquidTalk 21:03, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
He was plain attention seeking Swiz Talk Review Me 21:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Steler, we have tried countless to steer him on the right path, but everytime he's either ignored it alltogether or lashed out at us. Dragon 2h sword old.png Vex 327 Dragon full helm.png 21:26, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I have now heard arguments from many opposers on why Parsons may have faked the image. Let me put it this way: It doesn't matter what his motive was. The important part is that he made a serious mistake that could have had far more dire consequences. Thus, we need to hand him an appropriate punishment to stress the gravity of the situation. The maximum block time that is under consideration is one month. The actualy block time (if he is blocked) will most likely be shorter. This is a way to send a clear message that the kind of behavior he was exhibiting is unacceptable.

In real life, if I stole something because I didn't know theft was illegal, am I absolved of all responsiblity? No, I am not. I would be arrested just the same. Therefore, this case should be no different. We should hand a light punishment to stress our case, and give him a chance after the block expires to continue to improve the wiki. ----LiquidTalk 21:09, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

You're using murder as a metaphor for faking a picture? Swiz Talk Review Me 21:13, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Yes. My point is that not knowing something is wrong is not an excuse to escape punishment. We should give Parsons a light punishment for that to make a clear statement that it is unacceptable. ----LiquidTalk 21:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Murder is hugely different from faking/lying about something Swiz Talk Review Me 21:20, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, fine. I'll change it to stealing then. That is really what Parsons was trying to do (he was trying to take Jagex's intellectual property), so this would provide a better metaphor. ----LiquidTalk 21:22, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - ok if you would like to know what adhd is...i would click here because it clearly stats why he would lie and break rules --Lucid trixter

Liquid, stealing is morally wrong, but if your family was poor and hungry you would think it's right, I think this is equivalent to Parsons need for fame on the wiki Swiz Talk Review Me 21:40, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
There is a difference between stealing food for your family and violating copyright for fame. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 21:44, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
We're talking about faking an image Swiz Talk Review Me 21:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
You are missing my point. My point is that if I made a mistake and violated law, then I would be punished. Therefore, we should punish Parsons for violating policy. It should only be a light punishment, but it will get our point across. ----LiquidTalk 21:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Disussion (2)

A user moved my last comment into the main discussion area without understanding my request. I cannot edit the section unless another sub-section is added to it, so I ask a user create another section within the discussion section so I can write my comment. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 22:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Can't we just continue the discussion here? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 23:28, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think that was his point. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 23:45, February 20, 2010 (UTC) 
No, it should be a subsection of the Discussion section (starting with three = characters). Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:53, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Done. ----LiquidTalk 23:54, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Parsonsda say

ok im here to say to all users on runescape wiki how sorry and upset i am, runescape wiki is my life i love images and coding and here the things you all like to hear

Mod Cousin

no , he was a lie , he was made up when i was uploading rsmv images to wiki, back then i didnt know they where illgal, but when i found out i got rid of him, i don't like to break rules and ill never do it again

Comment - "back then i didnt know they where illgal so when i found out i got rid of him" See? He did not know what he was doing was wrong. FredeTalk 11:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

vandalizing dark runescape wiki

yes i did, but it was to stop the bad wiki, it should be there it breaks all runescape rules, so you see why i did it

Comment - The Dark RuneScape wiki doesn't break runescape rules. It merely shows what scams they used to do, but is now obsolete. It shows information of bots also. Vandalizing a wiki is never a good thing. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 11:00, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Vandalism isn't taken lightly. It doesn't matter if it is good nor bad. The point is that you vandalized and knew better. If you want to stop a bad Wiki, let the Wiki die out. Ryan PM 18:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Kid vs Kat wiki

sorry for all users who where working on a clean up on my wiki, i was under stress that day and i didnt want to upset anyone, so im say that anyone is allowed on my wiki, i dont care if you not a fan you can come along and help i will no long inter fear with other users work


yes, i have a problems lie becuse i have ADHD it makes me seek attention alot so lieing was fun for me, but now i see it time to stop i make a bow to never lie ever again, i promest.

(editing by Chicken7, with permission of Parsonsda)

Taken from Wikipedia entry on ADHD:

ADHD and other medical conditions

ADHD may accompany other disorders such as anxiety or depression. Such combinations can greatly complicate diagnosis and treatment. Academic studies and research in private practice suggest that depression in ADHD appears to be increasingly prevalent in children as they get older, with a higher rate of increase in girls than in boys, and to vary in prevalence with the subtype of ADHD. Where a mood disorder complicates ADHD it would be prudent to treat the mood disorder first, but parents of children who have ADHD often wish to have the ADHD treated first, because the response to treatment is quicker.[1]

Inattention and "hyperactive" behavior are not the only problems in children with ADHD. ADHD exists alone in only about 1/3 of the children diagnosed with it. Many co-existing conditions require other courses of treatment and should be diagnosed separately instead of being grouped in the ADHD diagnosis. Some of the associated conditions are:

  1. ^ Brunsvold GL, Oepen G (2008). "Comorbid Depression in ADHD: Children and Adolescents". Psychiatric Times 25 (10).
  2. ^ Evaluation and diagnosis of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in children (Subscription required). Uptodate (December 5, 2007). Retrieved on 2008-09-12.
  3. ^ PMID 19428109

Ryan PM 21:30, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


i have recently posted my project on yew groves , sorry about this , i didn't know there where 2 forums, since i known this i now use the forums for most things, no more yew groves, also my library was never illegal it for user to make there own books not copying books, it also has video all legal.

any other problems

pm me in game for any other thing i can explain everything

now please dont ban me, i hahve changed i love helping wiki, runescape wiki is my life, so please thinkg about this i love making images and removing shadow so please oppose thanks --Project Myface Parsonsda Talk | Sign Here | Project Myface Project Myface 10:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

And the fake image? I think everyone wants to hear an explanation for that.  Tien  14:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
What the hell WAS this fake image anyway? I'm curious... Slayer helmet.png 15:16, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
It was an image that Parsons made faking a forum post by Andrew. In it, Andrew supposedly gives him permission to copy books for his library. Not surprisingly, the plethora of grammatical and spelling mistakes marked it as an obvious fake. ----LiquidTalk 15:18, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - If Parsons is going to quit/refuse to accept his potential block, then I firmly believe that he is still acting immature, and needs to accept that he's done wrong. And Degen, I honestly don't HATE him; I do, however, hate his actions and vulgarness towards others. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 17:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Removing that farce you created only proves how immature you are. How can you ask for people to oppose when you do not admit to the picture you deleted no-less than 10 hours ago from your Photobucket? As for "your life" I don't care. I really don't care if it's all you do. I will not consider your "livelihood" when supporting your ban. On a final note: Stop using Mod Trick as your damn scapegoat. Ryan PM 18:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
How has he been using Mod Trick as a scapegoat? scoot4.pngscooties 21:09, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
He has frequently used him for the following: allowing Parsonsda to become Nomad for his avatar and body picture on his userpage (he didn't think I would know it was Mod Rathe's pictures when I told him he lied and responded with "Who?"); using him as his cousin at one point (although I never take pictures of the cc.), and another occurrence when he persisted that the new skill would come out on "15/2/10 mod trick told me", and the only other reason I find him bait is because at one point he threatened (and did) kick people that followed him when he left the cc to another Clan Chat. Ryan PM 21:43, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Forum talk:Concerning Parsonsda...[edit this page] From the RuneScape Wiki, the wiki for all things RuneScapeThis page has been deleted. The deletion log for the page is provided below for reference.

14:20, February 20, 2010 Iiii I I I (Talk | contribs) deleted "Forum talk:Concerning Parsonsda..." ‎ (already been moved to Forum:Concerning Parsonsda...) --TheLastWordSword 19:30, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support block Pending Neutral, see below per Ryan. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 19:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Changed to neutral, leaning towards slight support - Mark listed some very good points above, and if Parsons really does have ADHD, well, it explains his behaviour. However, it should be made very clear to Parsons that he shouldn't lie like that again, ESPECIALLY not with stuff like that picture. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  20:18, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Changed again, see below ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  06:05, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral-leaning towards short term block - He apologized, and he knows he is wrong. Maybe put him on probation for the time being. I think this whole discussion is a big wake up call to him and I'm fairly certain he will try to stop. And at the above list of opposers, we get consensus not count votes. So empty votes with no reasons doesn't help. scoot4.pngscooties 20:37, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

comment - it is, but what's worse this happened ages ago, i haven't done bad thinks for at least 2 weeks and this came up!--Project Myface Parsonsda Talk | Sign Here | Project Myface Project Myface 20:40, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Last I checked, the copyright violation library project of yours happened within two weeks. I think it was only one week ago. ----LiquidTalk 20:42, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

reply - it not illegal, not copy right, it a wiki project nothing to do with coping books in runescape, where did this rumour come from anyway?--Project Myface Parsonsda Talk | Sign Here | Project Myface Project Myface 20:45, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

You are taking the content, in its entirety, found in Runescape's books and adding them to your library, without any attribution to the original source. This is a clear copyright violation. Runescape and all of its contents is copyrighted by Jagex. ----LiquidTalk 20:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - You fostered it with your fallacy from Andrew Gower. That is your own fault and should have known that something like this would occur. As well it's a User project, not a Wiki project as it is in your userpage. Ryan PM 20:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
You mean userspace. scoot4.pngscooties 20:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Point is still valid. Ryan PM 20:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I know :) scoot4.pngscooties 21:06, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Lol. ----LiquidTalk 21:10, February 20, 2010 (UTC) Point 2 and 3. Gives approval of copying. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 21:24, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
From their websites. It doesn't mention content in-game.  Tien  21:33, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
So, have you ever seen Jagex closing down a fansite for copyright vio? NEVER. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 21:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I was just pointing that out. Fansites do credit Jagex for everything anyway.  Tien  21:59, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, wasn't the UnRunescape Wiki shut down for violating copyright laws?  Tien  22:02, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think that UnRuneScape and UnFunOrb were shut down for very offensive libel against various J Mods. I may be wrong though, but that was the most negative thing I saw about it.
The fact that Jagex has previously given permission to use their materials is completely irrelevant. The issue is Parsonsda creating a fake image of somebody giving him legal permission to do something. I think he has most likely learned from his mistake, but I would like to point out that that was the issue. I'm still waiting for him to explain that one, though. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 23:40, February 20, 2010 (UTC) 

Huge, massive, super-dee-duper large nobody cares: It's true, you know. Aangman793 (talk) 21:30, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

For one thing, please templatise your signature. For another, if nobody cared, nobody would post. (it's true, you know) 21:37, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
For one thing, why? And for another thing, if he's been so destructive, it should be as easy as banning him. Aangman793 (talk) 21:39, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
We are in the process of deciding if what he did constitutes a block. If you aren't going to provide constructive comments then please stay out of this thread. scoot4.pngscooties 21:45, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I found this. scoot4.pngscooties 21:45, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose, but this is his only warning Neutral, see below - If he does anything else like all this, we can ban him as long as you want. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 21:49, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

If this is the case, then I hope the next time we wouldn't need to make a YG thread and go through days of heated debate to reach the conclusion. ----LiquidTalk 21:52, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Me neither. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 21:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
If this is the consensus, it must be clearly written in the resolution that Parsons will be blocked if he violates the policies of this magnitude. That way, there will be no ambiguity about it. ----LiquidTalk 22:01, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - To prevent future problems like this, I think Parsonsda needs to try to change his style of editing. Perhaps he does have ADHD. But like Stelercus mentioned, it is completely possible to control it. It's been made clear here that although he may have a disorder, the actions that result from it are still unacceptable. For his benefit and our benefit, I urge him to reconsider his activity on this wiki. Is it worth it to continuously propose projects for attention, some of which could have resulted in serious consequences? Is it worth it to practice deception just to have things your way? He might be better off working with templates or something, since he seems to have some knowledge of coding, or taking screenshots because he loves to work with images. I'm not forcing him to do anything, but he definitely needs to learn from this and improve.  Tien  21:59, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme Support - Parsons is one of the rudest people I've yet met in over 2 years playing Runescape. He has told me (with rude language included) to shut up and stop making fun of him, when we were just pointing out that he was being ingrateful and extremely selfish in requesting a mass rollback on the KvK wiki which we spent so long editing. (How does one get 500 pages of unused images. REALLY?) He has been rude and disruptive too many times. I feel that no punishments we can give to him are too severe.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 02:32, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

EXTREME Support - You have violated the wiki rules and are now hiding behind these comments? REALLY?!!?!?!? It's too late for redemption, Parsonsda. My mind is made! --Abyssal whip.png Superplayer08Talk HS Log Dragon dagger (p++).png 02:38, February 21, 2010 (UTC)Superplayer08

Support 1 week ban - I have never supported banning a user who tries to help before (I think I was once the only person out of 20 that opposed the ban =P) but I feel that there must be some kind of consequences for Parsonsda's actions. Ignoring the personality aspect which shouldn't have any bearing on anyone's decision, the serial lying in an attempt to get YG threads passed, the blatent disregard for Yew Grove decisions as well as copyright laws, and the faked photo which as far as I can tell Parsonsda still hasn't "put in context", are all pre-meditated (not in the heat of the moment, he made a rational decision to make each one) can't be ignored due to their serious nature.

I don't think that anything will be achieved by increasing the ban time by more then a week. The longer we make the ban, the more likely it is that he will take the decision sourly and get a vendetta against the Wiki. I think that the ban should be a warning that action will be taken against his account if he continues, not a punishment for is actions. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 04:01, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1 Week Block - I don't like users who lay blame of their actions on other things. It's not mature, it's not responsible. It's a lame excuse, alright. You want attention? You can't sit still is all, and blaming anything on ADHD is a lame excuse for any action. You have full control and knowledge of what you are doing. Take the hit and come back in a week.

Bonziiznob Talk

04:40, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Changed to support 1 week block - Per Bonzi, Scimitar and Yanks. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  06:05, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1 week+ block - Well stated Bonzi. Quite frankly, I think the entire ADHD thing is BS. It may explain your actions if you have it, but it does not justify them which you are responsible for. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 08:05, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Parsonsda is sorry for what he is done, and if he does have ADHD that explains SOME of his behaviour. He is only trying to help the wiki, and if we never accepted apologies, this whole world would be calling eachother liars, because everybody lies sometime in their life, however, I do think we should give him a warning to tell him not to vandalise any wiki and to be less "power-hungry" on "his" KvK wiki.Blazestrike 12:45, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1 Week Block - Per Bonzi. {{}}Shiki | 直死の魔眼 13:24, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

'Support '- Ok, some Parsonsda claims to have adhd. Do we really know if he has that? Can anyone prove he has adhd, besides Parsonda? I think we should punish him, or as Evil Yanks said, a warning action against his account, with all the information that we truly have and know. Not something someone claims about him or he claims about himself, cause if there's no one else to prove that he has adhd, then it could a lie to save himself. Plus adhd, as said above, can be controlled. Black platebody (h5).pngPtmmtp TalkBlack full helm (t).png 13:26, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Ptmmtp, how do we know he doesn't have ADHD, he might be telling the truth, what proof do you have? Blazestrike 14:01, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Consensus and RS:IAR can override policy, when the community decides so. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 14:56, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Chess, what were you trying to tell me for an hour? OMG! --LiquidTalk 15:20, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Liquid, the picture shows that Chess was trying to tell you that parsons could not be banned for he did not break a rule.Blazestrike 16:16, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Aah, Gaz, you beat me to it. I wanted to tell chess that earlier, but I didn't feel like it at the time :P But yep. As far as I know, Gaz is right, the community has the final say. On everything. everything. MUAHAHAHAHA 16:32, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Blazestrike, I'm not claiming proof of anything. I just said that no one else can claim that he has adhd, besides himself. Black platebody (h5).pngPtmmtp TalkBlack full helm (t).png20:15 February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Parsonsda Agreement

i changed my mind , im supporting a 1 week ban and i wish to go though with it , on the following rules:

1.i have user page or talk page access
2.this thread to be forgotten but not deleted so it dosen't ruin my life
3.user treat me no differently from after this
4.any lying in clan in the clan from now on can call for a instant kick
5.any fake image uploaded to wiki will call for a 24 hour ban and the image removed
6.i will agree to listen to all help given to me
7.i will try and control my adhd more and not use it as everything
8.i can continue with [[User:Parsonsda/Improvements|Project Myface]] while im banned
9.all the illegal parts of the library have been deleted (project my face is a massive npc image update for all major npcs and some minor)

please sign below to agree with this , thanks
--Project Myface Parsonsda Talk | Sign Here | Project Myface Project Myface 17:08, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

  1. You will have talk page access, but I don't think it's possible to give you user page acces.
  2. Per RS:DDD, we're keeping this thread, but don't worry, it will be archived; it's not going to ruin your life.

White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 17:10, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I do hope you've learned something. But as for number 3, nobody can control what another user does, nor enforce any punishment unless it's against the UTP. And this thread won't ruin your life :P 17:16, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I'm impressed with your decision. As long as you don't cause trouble, you'll find that we're actually a friendly bunch. ^_^ Also, I don't think the instant kick for lying is really necessary.  Tien  17:20, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

No. Your latest comment on my talk page suggests to me that are not really sorry, and would likely not follow through on your "promises". Also, to any opposers to a block, I'm willing to bet that a lot of of you do NOT understand the severity of the faked image. The amount of leniency users are showing is disgusting me; next thing you know we'll be welcoming back Earthere... 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 17:27, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Per the image, comment on Stinkowing's talk page, and Parsons' apology, I am neutral now. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 17:32, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Just so you know, you are only allowed to post on your talk page if you are blocked, Parsons. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 17:36, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I'm impressed with your decision, that seems very mature of you. I'm still a little concerned about your latest comment on Stinko's talk page. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 19:32, February 21, 2010 (UTC) 
All Happy - nomoretrobbel.png all is well now , but the ban still stands, whitch is fine by me, im ok with it--Project Myface Parsonsda Talk | Sign Here | Project Myface Project Myface 20:33, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Support compromise - It shows that we're serious about this, and it is made legitimate by Parsons's support. This is a way to give a warning to Parsons and let him back after a light punishment to continue to improve the wiki. --LiquidTalk 00:08, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Support compromise - Per Yoshi(Liquid). Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 01:25, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Support compromise - But if you do cross the line even once more, I will support your ban for the reasons I gave above.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 02:07, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Parsonsda will receive a one week block per consensus. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 07:11, February 22, 2010 (UTC)