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This thread was archived on 26 March 2011 by Stelercus.

As much as I like the RSWP, it can only function on the condition that people actually submit to it. However, over the past few months, little content has been submit. I blame no one for this, because frankly, few people with the time to write an article are interested, and few people who are interested have the time to write. In fact, all the submissions are generally written by one of three-or-so people.

I just had this conversation with Cook. Our last-ditch effort to revive the post failed when nobody viewed the RSWP submission page (which has several links on the main page).

[18:16] <Stelercus> I think the RSWP is dead.
[18:18] <Cook_Me_Plox> I was looking at the numbers, they're not good.
[18:19] <Stelercus> So what do we do?
[18:19] <Cook_Me_Plox> Hmm...
[18:19] <Cook_Me_Plox> if we were to get it revived we would want to shuffle the box somewhere else
[18:20] <Cook_Me_Plox> Like I said I think people have developed a blindness for that spot
[18:21] <Cook_Me_Plox> but at this point I don't know there's much that can be done without starting all over
[18:21] <Stelercus> Problem is, even if everyone knew, who has the time to write for it?
[18:21] <Cook_Me_Plox> people are just not interested in it, at least in its current format
[18:22] <Stelercus> We tried to change the format. People are not submitting either way.
[18:22] <Cook_Me_Plox> what do you want to happen?
[18:23] <Stelercus> for people to start submitting.
[18:23] <Stelercus> What do I think will happen? The RSWP will whither away until we kill it.
[18:24] <Cook_Me_Plox> the point is people are not submitting.  98 views on a prime spot on the main page in 15 days is not good.

I'm sure the only person who wants the RSWP to stay more than me is User:Jack Spiral1. Given that, there's no use running from the fact that the RSWP is dead.

Discussion

Support - As nom... Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 22:34, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per ded JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:36, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say, I think you may be right. Perhaps we could just start submitting work to the Runescape Tipit Times? That would be okay, surely?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZamorakRevan (talk).

Uhh...I don't think that would work out. ʞooɔ 02:34, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - While I agree the RSWP is dead, I would prefer to find an alternative to closing it. *shrugs* Let the people speak, shall the RSWP stay or go? Jack Spiral1 01:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - There is just too large a dearth of those with the time and resources available to invest in reviving the post. --LiquidTalk 01:39, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Time for it to be put down Andrew talk 03:25, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - It's an unfortunate course of action that needs to be done. 222 talk 05:20, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - さようなら、RSWP!待って!あなたが行く前に、私は私の友人のリストに追加する必要があります!Matt (t) 06:40, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

$1 says that that came from google translate. 222 talk 07:14, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
I'll bet two. Translation: "Goodbye, RSWP! Hold it! Before you go, I need to add to the list of my friends!" Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 09:27, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
I bet 9001 JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 11:51, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
*opens wallet* Sorry, I haz no money. Matt (t) 05:25, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
Thebrains is the closest without going over. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 09:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
No, you're right too. Matt (t) 19:43, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
Its a joke matt... - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 05:37, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Support - No one is submitting to it which makes it mostly useless. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 08:05, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - <thebrains222> yeh, just go support it and help kill it --Cakemix 10:33, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Amg campaigning! keel him! JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 11:51, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
nou 222 talk 05:13, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I didn't even know this existed! I think it just should be advertised more, because, after reading some editorials, I'm quite excited about writing one myself. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 14:00, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - It's certainly not completely dead yet, and personally, I find it enjoyable. Moreover, as seen by Fswe's reaction above, there are people that still care about it. Also, it's not hurting anything. Sure, I don't mind if you remove it from the mainpage, but I believe it should stay until there is absolutely nobody visiting it - which I don't think will happen. Just because it's not the most popular project shouldn't mean it should get closed right away. bad_fetustalk 16:17, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, actually I oppose removing it from the mainpage too. The newest editorial has 846 votes in it, which means 846 people actually read it. That's not few at all. Now, I'm aware that it has been ages since that last editorials release, but then again, proven by fswe's reaction above, some people don't even know about it. I say we advertise it more for a while, and if it's still inactive, then we can reconsider. bad_fetustalk 16:24, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
The wiki post has had its own spot on the main page for quite a while now. There's also a link to the wiki post's submissions page on the wiki news template.  Tien  20:36, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - What's gone is gone.   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:59, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - If something has to be removed from the main page, then (I hate to say this) there is no better candidate than the wiki post. As an initial supporter and "chief editor" of the wiki post, I had high expectations for the project. However, it has clearly been dying out for the past several months, especially if only three people have submitted content. The state of the wiki post becomes even clearer when we realize that we even need this notice to goad people to write for it. It's great that people are interested in reading the articles. However, there are few people interested in regularly writing articles.  Tien  20:36, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I actually enjoy reading these articles and would hate to see this go. I wish that there were more frequent entries, but it seems that there's not enough people that want to write the articles. I have considered writing for the RSWP myself, but I just thought it was weird how we needed to 'email' it to some dark hole. I think it would be better if these was a page dedicated to submissions, just so...you know you're not the only one writing for the RSWP. *shrug* Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 11:35, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

And so you know what topics people are writing about, so you don't duplicate it. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 11:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Sad to say, but just like other projects in the project namespace, another one comes to pass. If it was because of just reader drops I wouldn't want to close this, but when both readership and editors on this project had fallen then one would say it would take that much more work on certain individuals to keep up and running. Maybe it'll be revived again in a few years, but until more people want to participate, I see this as the end of the RSWP. Ryan PM 15:50, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Changed position to Neutral per opposition. Ryan PM 14:46, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Whoa, I came to look at what's been happening here, and it looks like this wiki is discontinuing everything. If it's not working out the way it is, change how it works. Get users to become regular columnists, as well as letting users submit editorials. Write stories about recent updates, or quest series, or any of the 17,000 things we have pages for. Work the WP more like a real paper - have stories about Jagex's updates, interviews with players giving their thoughts. Anything. But this is one of the last places users can give their thoughts, where people might actually read it. Lack of viewings is probably down to lack of regular updates to it. This is just like the forums - some users actually really enjoy it, and closing it will put an end to that. It's getting views, even if they're not plentiful, so that proves some people still look at it. Improve it, don't close it. Real Crazy 17:47, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

  • "If it's not working out the way it is, change how it works." See Forum:Improving the RSWP.
  • "Get users to become regular columnists, as well as letting users submit editorials." Users can already do that. They aren't, and we can't force them.
  • "Write stories about recent updates, or quest series, or any of the 17,000 things we have pages for." We tried the first of those for a while. Users are not choosing to do the second two, and again, we can't force them.
  • "Work the WP more like a real paper - have stories about Jagex's updates, interviews with players giving their thoughts. Anything." See previous explanation.
  • "But this is one of the last places users can give their thoughts, where people might actually read it." I was planning to leave the RSWP page open for people to leave links to their userspace. It's not worth having any formal administration anymore. If it comes back to life in this form, anyone would be free to request Editor-in-Chief "status" on the Yew Grove.
  • "Lack of viewings is probably down to lack of regular updates to it." Regular updates are down due to lack of regular submissions.
  • "This is just like the forums - some users actually really enjoy it, and closing it will put an end to that." I enjoyed it, too, when there was something there to enjoy. The difference is that we can bring the RSWP back, but not the php forums.
  • "It's getting views, even if they're not plentiful, so that proves some people still look at it." The articles that are already there will not go away, but the way things are going, new articles are not going to appear.
  • "Improve it, don't close it." There is one way to improve it -- one. People have to write and submit to the post. Nobody on this wiki can force anyone to do that, and nobody is doing it.
The post used to receive regular submissions, though that is no longer the case. The number of submissions temporarily jump when an attempt is made to improve it, though none of them last more than a month or so. Cook and I attempted to boost interest by linking to the submission page on the main page. However, very few people even looked at the page, let alone submit anything or contact me about it. There is no interest in submitting, only interest in reading. Unfortunately, the second is totally reliant on the first. There's nothing we can do to help that. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 19:00, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
And closing the rswp helps the wiki how, exactly? Even if the activity is low, it's most certainly better than not having at all. bad_fetustalk 19:17, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
So nobody has to worry about maintaining it. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:15, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

oppose- low activity shold not mean closure, no point. on behalf of:  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.152.163.204 (talk) on 20:14, March 23, 2011 (UTC).

Oppose - Looks like some cool content in need of a paintjob. I'd definitely help and contribute to it. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:16, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - As per my fellow users above, I would strongly agree not to. Eglinton talk 20:23, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - In the event that this proposal does not pass, those who are opposing this thread will have to put forth the effort bring the RSWP back. I'm happy to continue running the post if those interested in keeping it alive will make it worth it. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:30, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try and help. I really like Real's suggestions. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:37, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
Ditto. I'll go and review a quest series or something. =P User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 07:38, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
I think he meant write newspaper articles - "Evil Mahjarrat Murders Heroes", etc. PD-R 07:48, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
I like editorials. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:08, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
OK then, just thought I'd throw that out there. PD-R 18:24, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I would be very happy if the RSWP came back, but it has to be for a long time. This can't just be something where after the thread starts some people start to care about it, but after a week or two they lose interest. Unless you guys are ready to contribute long-term, we need to close it. ʞooɔ 16:22, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if several people would write once a month, that's be good. I think it need more advertising on the main page, an introduction on the project page and perhaps also small rewards for authors as extra encouragement. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:08, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
More advertising? It's got something on the sitenotice, a box of its own..what else can we do? ʞooɔ 17:37, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
Make flashing ads for [email protected]@@@ Liek, someone sees an ad for pills, they click it, BAM, they are on RSWP. bad_fetustalk 19:25, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
Something like...

(removed for respect to people who suffer from epilipsy) (link)

(Don't say it's too big. Wikia ads are even bigger normally) JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:29, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm shocked...none of you remember this? 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 23:40, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

You put that thread up because you disliked the 10k reward system. This thread is here because the RSWP is borderline lifeless. The original abolition thread is irrelevant to this one, hence why it's not been mentioned by anyone else thus far. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:40, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I've talked to Jack about it a lot, and I know it would disappoint him greatly to see the paper go. Also, if I have to to keep it going for his sake and for all those who wish to read and contribute, I would write articles for it. Long live RSWP!--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 04:56, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I've read it on and off if I've seen something interesting I felt like reading, could probably do with some more interest in it (perhaps some new writers would help) should it be kept a poll could be placed to gather information on what people would like to read about to make the rswp more popular. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 05:16, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Rewards you say, Fswe? Now you're speaking my language! :D Regular journalists are paid for their work and time, why shouldnt RSWP ones be? Im happy to offer a reward for it. I'd prefer if we based it off the polls near the bottom, to ensure people take their time and put in the effort when submitting. Say, 20k per 100 "yes/good/like" votes in the first month? If anyone has a problem with this system then im happy to make it just 50k per submission instead? In the end however, this will just be a very small short-term boost to submissions. The RSWP'll still need some patching up and a few of the current issues brought up in this thread adressed or we'll end up with anoer of these threads again....- [Pharos] iPhone Edit 05:37, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

The polls are not always asking the user whether or not they enjoyed reading the article. In fact, it's almost never the case with editorials, which are submit most often. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 09:34, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
That kinda throws a wrench into the first option... - [Pharos] 09:42, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Move paper into activity feed

I think this could be an ideal answer to the problem of the paper not getting submissions and taking up good space on the main page with no new content. When we do have new wikipaper content, give it a space in the feed. After a few weeks or whatever of nothing new, other new content can take its place. This will reduce the demand for high activity rates, so even a couple editions a year will be enough to keep it going in a more sustainable form.--Degenret01 14:05, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't be too hard by just including it in the CommunityCorner module with {{RuneScape:Wiki Post}} since we call things differently on the mainpage now. Ryan PM 14:46, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Is the feed that Site Notice bar above articles? User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:44, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I think a load of fresh new work should partially solve the problem, 'cause I'm starting to think we're stuck in a circle. Nobody goes to RSWP because there's nothing new and nobody writes anything new because nobody visits. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:46, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Then people need to be bold and write something for the sake. PD-R 20:14, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
I nominate Fswe1, Chessmaster, and everyone else who opposed this proposal. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:22, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
Wat did I do dis tiem JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 01:37, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
What's happening?! OMG! Matt (t) 01:51, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
ImConfus.jpg http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9358/dogdudewaitwhat.jpg {{{Plz}}} JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 02:16, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
Why did I get nominated? I don't mind writing something once in a while, but I certainly am not going to take the initiative in a (probably doomed) attempt to revitalize the paper. --LiquidTalk 02:20, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
Who nawminaetd me fer wut?OMG!S T Y G 02:22, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
Nvm, I found out wut I shuld do- Make an editorial! Wewt. S T Y G 02:25, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
He used {{Username}}, boys and girls. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 02:29, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  • after submitting a paper* WUT?! *smacks Stelercus* S T Y G 02:57, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
I am going to write something, after this thread has failed. Oh, and ur nubs. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:36, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
Really, guys? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 11:02, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
I lol'd, nobody managed to figure out you used {{USERNAME}} for a long tiem. "I nominate Fswe1, Chessmaster and Chessmatster." bad_fetustalk 12:11, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
Mr. Guise, helm ruind teh fun, cuz bcuz of dat he maed me look like all u other nubz. I had teh supervishun and saw twas {{USERNAME}} but teh mr. helm remoevd eet! D= dis means [email protected]!# [email protected]#[email protected]#@! #@!#[email protected]
So, @ Fergie and Chess: Ninja'd Evil
Oh and still... steler: wat?
And chess: ""I nominate Fswe1, Chessmaster and Chessmatster."" lolfialquoteofurownname JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 12:46, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Withdrawn - "This can't just be something where after the thread starts some people start to care about it, but after a week or two they lose interest. Unless you guys are ready to contribute long-term, we need to [close the post]." Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:39, March 26, 2011 (UTC)