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There have been a few discussions recently about the clan chat as the operastor seems to have gone a bit awol. Some people are on a bit of a power grab and people are registering all sorts of related names for possible cc use.

As C Teng cannot give the R S Wikia account to anyone else as that would fall foul of the rules regarding character sharing a new system is proposed.

I feel that tipit has a very good system by way of "unofficially" officially having the clan chat hosted by an established and trusted member of staff. Currently the tipit cc is under the user Forsakenmage but has been different in the past and may change again in the future. The chat is advertised prominiently via a sticky in the forums so people know exactly where to go. I feel this would eliminate confusion and problems this wiki has had with people registered all sorts of similar sounding names R S Wikia/RSWikia/RS Wiki/RS Wikia... etc.

Reasons to move away from R S Wikia CC

  • It's a terrible name. We are not a wikia we are a wiki. Wikia is the hosting company name we are with. It is a misleading name to expect people to use and remember.
  • It gives a friendly face for someone that should be very active. If you join the CC Forsakenmage which is the Tip.it CC then you will see what I mean.
  • MMG has stated that they are working on separating friends lists and clan chats. This is something that would be very benefitial in the future.
  • If an active member of the Wiki staff is chosen to host the clan chat people can be sure that they can contact them if need be. Ranks can be added swiftly and people kicked where necessary.
  • At the moment Cteng seems to have gone AWOL, if this happens in future then we change the host of the clan chat.
  • Having a proper host and a set of ground rules would mean that friends of the person would not be ranked and able to abuse powers. Only rswiki staff would recieve ranks in this new CC.
  • Close down all RSwiki sounding cc's that various people have registered to prevent confusion. several times I have been into a wrong clan chat which I have typod and gone into an empty CC which I thought was the official one

--Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 08:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

I assume by 'staff' you mean admins/'crats/any other trusted community members? I'd be suriprsed if any 'true' wiki staff (e.g. Sannse, Lleowen, etc) actually play RuneScape. Your other points I agree with, though it would be nice to be able to host the chat without clearing out all of your friends list to rank everyone; the separate lists thing would fix this, but still, we don't know when that's planned for.
We could advertise it on the wiki's forums, sitenotice and maybe the main page (maybe not there though). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 13:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Sannse and Lleowen are WIKIA staff not Runescape Wiki staff. Your confusion proves my point we need to get away from the old name. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 20:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
'Staff' suggests we [all editors] are employed and paid for our work. We're not; we're all volunteers. (And, technically, wikia staff are RS wiki staff, since they automatically have the tools of a 'crat, but hey, I see your point). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not moving to some backwater clan chat. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 14:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment - How would making a wikian's clan chat solve the "name problem?" If my clan chat were to be the new official chat for the wiki, then people would have to type "Tienjt0" to enter it. My name has nothing to do with the wiki, so that wouldn't really be a solution. And C Teng just posted on the shoutbox yesterday.  Tien  15:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - D4K summed it up pretty well. Why should we move to another CC? It doesn't matter if C teng isnt present,we already decided we have enough ranked users anyway.....Besides,about every RSWikian who uses clan chats know about R S Wikia. What is the point of changing. Essentially,all clan chats are the same,and making a new one would have to do all the ranks over again,and have more non-wikians. the R S Wikia cc is for wikians and mainly RSwikians only anyway....and I don't think the diffrence between to R S Wikia and R S Wiki is all signifigant. --

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17:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

In what way is this anything but forum shopping?? --Serenity1137 17:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - enough of this nonsense. We just go finished with a discussion like this. Andrew talk 18:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Huuuuugggeee Oppose - Cut it out dude, per sir scizor also. Runecrafting.gif Mo 55 55 Talk|Sign 18:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Why do you care so much about the CC Merc.? They're all the same pretty much....And anyway, if "forsakenmage" is a CC for tip.it. then why should the RuneScape Wiki use it? you said we shouldnt use R S Wikia because we're not a wikia,but we're not tip it either...same thing basically....And I don't want to be in a CC with tons of Non-wikians in it eiter,I joined the wiki because we have a good atmosphere,It might not be the same with tons of non-wikians.....Also,about %50 of our discusions involve wiki stuff,and it'll be a lot harder to hold things like wikifests and community events with tons of other people....--

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19:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

At no point did i suggest we use Forsakenmage as the RS Wiki clan chat. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 20:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter. You're suggesting we move to a diffrent clan chat,and I'm saying there isn't a point in changing to a diffrent clan chat....And anyway,I don't see Wikia getting mad at us for using its name...I mean,what's the diffrence between R S Wiki and R S Wikia? you're saying we all have to move to a diffrent CC because of 1 letter....Honestly....--
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20:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
One letter can mean the difference between a computer working and not working. One letter can mean the difference between a copyright being violated and not. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
But its not "just 1 letter". Wikia is the name of a profit making company. It is a registered trademark. This website is NOT the Runescape Wikia! --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 21:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree with that, but think of the confusion a new CC could cause. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't see any problem with the system we have now, we have plenty of ranked users on every day and very few (if any) problems. The RFR's are closed and there is nothing that we need C Teng to change on the account right now. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 00:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Scizor and Blade. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 09:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'm active again. And it can also be called the RuneScape Wikia. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 18:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

It may be acceptable but it is not correct. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 20:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I was trying to avoid calling it anything with "Wikia". But I couldn't find anything available with "Wiki". White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I see, I would've guessed the same Concerned not your fault. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - No matter how many times we say it, no matter how many proposals we oppose , we never seem t get the point across that WE DO NOT NEED A NEW CLAN CHAT!!! --— Enigma 03:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Surprisingly enough, that's because people disagree with you. People could equally say:
No matter how many times we say it, no matter how many proposals we propose , we never seem t get the point across that WE DO NEED A NEW CLAN CHAT!!!
Typos kept for clarity. ;-) JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 12:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Well, there's two main facts here that say to me "Why bother?": First off, the RfR's are down, so no new ranks need to be instated. Secondly, no one needs to be blocked, and if they keep coming, well, there's usually a rank that can keep on kicking. Also, the name's irrelevant: It gets the point across, and we all know it by muscle memory. Enough of these shenanigans. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 20:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - And this weeks YG craze is... The Clan Chat! In previous weeks it has been admins and their rights and other pointless rubbish! Lets shut up about the CC now hey?--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 06:47, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I see no problem at all with the current CC. Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 18:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for Closure This topic isn't going anywhere, and there's clearly a strong opposition from the community. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 21:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Closed

Seeing as no one has discussed on this for over ten days and there seems to be overwhelming opposition, I am going to close this now. The result was to oppose migration to a new clan chat. Butterman62 (talk) 16:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)