Forum:Clan Camp

From the RuneScape Wiki, the wiki for all things RuneScape
Jump to: navigation, search
Forums: Yew Grove > Clan Camp
This page or section is an archive.
Please do not edit the contents of this page.
This thread was archived on 14 May 2011 by Thebrains222.

Hello everyone. With today's release of the Clan Camp, I jumped right in and grabbed the name RuneScape Wiki. So now the community can decide what to do with this, including if we want it or not, and if so what all the settings are.

Currently, I've invited everyone who wants to be invited (so they can show off a clan cloak/vexillium), designed a logo loosely based on the site colours, and ranked people (who have joined) the same as they are in the now friends chat R S Wikia.

The friends chat is not removed.

So, yeah, discuss. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 11:11, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


Comment - The friends chat is much easier to use and for our purpose it is more useful, I say we just stick with that. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 11:15, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Remember that the clan chat RuneScape Wiki and the friends R S Wikia are both active and you can be in both at any given time, as well as third chat (either a guest in another clan's chat or in your own clan chat and a guest in ours). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 11:41, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
I know we will have both, but what's the point? It's basically the same people in both, except we have to invite people to the clan one, or do things like that. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 12:21, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
So Keep fc and ditch cc per degen and doucher. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 02:30, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I have to agree with Sentra. 222 talk 11:27, April 12, 2011 (UTC) I'll re-state my position later. 06:18, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I disagree with those two ^ With this setup we can still talk in the wiki clan while joining other clan chats. (E.g. D&D clan chats and Lootshare clan chats) but if we are sticking with this, can we change the flag/Cape theme please >_> ? I realise Gaz was trying to keep in line with the wiki's skin but, as you can see here, it looks quite lame... - [Pharos] 11:33, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I don't claim to be an artist. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 11:41, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - As far as I can tell, there is a limit of 500 members per clan, and we are currently ranking anyone who wants to join the channel as "recruits". I think we will run out of space quite soon if we continue that, and people can join as guests anyways. So, I think we should only have ranks "join the clan". Oh, by the way, the motif is hilarious. [email protected]@@@ bad_fetustalk 12:04, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - We should trial having both chats for say a week and see if Jagex make any more changes that would help us decide on what to do. One thing we could do though, is use one chat for general chat and the other for Wiki Events?   Swizz Talk   Events!   14:24, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I think it makes sense to have a specific chat for events as before, and I think it's suffient to use the friend chat one we had (Rsw events) and not make a Clan Chat for it. (wszx) 16:56, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Capeoptions-1.png Okay, after getting yelled at for half an hour, it appears that these are the two most liked cape/banner themes. We're using the silver theme at the moment.

Should we have a poll on what we like best or something 0_o? - [Pharos] 14:14, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - :D we haz a clan page! - [Pharos] 14:27, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Keep the Clan Chat, it allows us to be found in the Clan Home of the RuneScape website unlike R S Wikia. It will allow more people to find us and anyone can join as a guest. My question is why have non- admins be ranked as Admin (Key) and other admins ranked as captain. Please fix the discrepancies. Thanks. Ryan PM 15:03, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

That is just a temporary thing while we need to have a few people available to invite people to the cc. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 15:05, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
>_> im sure we both told you at least 4 times Ryan, Me/Swizz/Glentra have a higher rank because we were on earlier so we could add/rank people in the clan. It will return to normal once we've settled into the update. - [Pharos] 15:15, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
I didn't get one reply for the ten minutes I was online about ranking. I asked once in the Clan Chat and once in the Friends Chat. No one had answered me. If I recall correctly, you had given me a rank of admin after changing my rank from Recruit after entering the chat. Four minutes later it was changed to captain. I fail to see why only a few are being allowed to rank while others can not. Ryan PM 15:31, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
1. I responded to you in both chats :P 2. So, by making you a rank higher, should i have also made everyone else a rank higher for no reason too 0_o? Im not actually sure if you think that everyone should move up a rank with the new system or think that we're being elitist. But as it stands, i can't change the rank required to rank others in the clan chat and until Gaz gets back im only handing out ranks equal to those in the old cc. - [Pharos] 15:52, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, we both responded to you on both chats. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:45, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

The new clan chat system seems to be more flexible in terms of administration, since we won't need to be tied to C Teng any longer. It makes sense to switch over to the cc instead of the fc, for this reason but I see no reason why we need to eliminate the fc. (wszx) 16:42, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. We can keep them both active and up to date, until C Teng does completely disappear, and then we will still have a very flexible system for our use. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 16:51, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Was the unspoken part of that: And don't you worry, we'll make sure he "disappears", soon enough. :3? - [Pharos] 16:56, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Shhh don't give it away. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 17:42, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
I've changed my mind. We definitely need to pick one at the expense of and actively rejecting the other. Some people seem willing or able to abide split chat, but it's not okay to subject everyone to it. The cc, as stated, is more flexible so I propose we select that one. I also suggest that we make a decision posthaste. (wszx) 22:26, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I think we should just stick one chat, preferably the Clan Chat as it's a lot more flexible. The main problem with it, however, is having to recruit each and every user we get whih=ch will eventually lead to us hitting the 500 limit. We could tell people to join the chat as guests - this means they can stay in the Wiki chat and talk to us, as well as being in a proper clan too. Thoughts?   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:39, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Per Swizz, the Clan Chat would definately be preferable for Wiki events, and most other things for that matter, as it's infinately more flexible, and we will be able to use its features to further promote the Wiki. As for recruiting, we could consider holding public clan meetings for all users who want to be recruited, instead of having to meet each individual user to be ranked. And regarding the limit, did anyone ever see the old clan chat exceed 500 users? Ancient talisman.png Flaysian Ancient Book.png 20:29, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Obviously there's never been 500 users on at one time, but over the course of a few months we may have 500 regular visitors to the CC all at different times.   Swizz Talk   Events!   20:35, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Just a quick suggestion about the cape, why not do a silver style, quest logo(top) and a green cabbage(bottom)? Floppyc5 21:06, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Actually I only have a problem with the dragon. Preferably any other emblem besides skills and numbers are alright. Floppyc5 21:35, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment (of course) - Things about guest clan chat. Guest CC cannot be accessed in the lobby, will not automatically log in to previous chat on login, nor remember last used guest CC. Obviously anyone wishing to be in another clan will have to use guest CC, so this is perhaps a disadvantage --Henneyj 22:40, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Let's switch to clan chat, consider that (imo) it better suits our needs. For one, it would allow multiple users to be able to assign/remove ranks. Per above, clan chat seems the way to go. ajr 22:48, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I really don't think that the rank issue is something that should be at the forefront of our considerations. It's something used so infrequently that it doesn't really matter, and C Teng does a good job of getting rank requests fulfilled in a timely manner. --LiquidTalk 22:52, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - We definitely need to pick one and stick with it. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. As for the friends chat, since it has a shorter name and I can type out longer messages without having to break it into two lines. Furthermore, the friends chat is easier to chat in, since it only requires one slash instead of two.

The Clan Chat would allow use of the assistclan, world60pengs, star find, or whatever other chats that people go in to periodically for certain things. I am currently neutral as to which one we should keep, and I'll be experimenting a bit to see which one is preferable. --LiquidTalk 22:52, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Since there is hot argument on the Clan Chat and Friends Chat about cape design, I say we do what Jagex do. We ask Everyone to submit a cpae design, then the admins of the Clan Chat decide the Top 5. Then we have a vote to see which one the community likes. The winning cape will be our clan cape. This way everyone wins. Water rune.pngWristwatchSoul rune.png 00:07, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Regarding "recruiting" clan members. I think the players with the ability to add members should be allowed to add player who enter the clan chat on a regular basis or are active players and editors on the wiki. Of course, I'll get yelled at for not providing an equation for what is active or not, just use your head. 222 talk 00:25, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Section break

Since this thread is moving annoyingly slow, I shall make proposals. I'd really appreciate if we decided this stuff quickly (at least the first point) even if we don't go with my ideas.

First, as I suggested above above, we will abandon the fc. Split chat is untenable, and the new CC is administratively superior. To this end, the friend chat will be set so that nobody may join it. We will do this because if people are given an option, they'll probably join both anyway on the chance that other people will still have discussion in the fc. Making it so nobody joins the fc will ensure a smooth and complete transition.

Second, ranks will be as follows. Gaz will retain founder/owner/gold key (as I believe this is technically impossible to remove); sysops will be given admin/bronze key; sergeant will be given three chevrons. Notice that sysops will, under this proposal, be able to generally administer the CC. I'm going to hijack this thread somewhat and propose that we just eliminate forum admins and bureaucrats as a separate CC ranks and just make them all sergeants and bronze keys respectively. If we cannot abide this, bureaucrats will be deputy owners/silver keys and forum admins will be whichever rank is a bronze star. (Hey I'd also like for us to split sysop from automatic cc rank.)

Third, all our symbols and stuff will be determined by Gaz and we'll all just have to live with it, on the understanding that when Gaz picks them he won't go around changing it all the time. I know this is somewhat at odds with how we decide things around here, but do you remember how long it took us to decide how to change our logo? Any thread about all the motifs and the like is going to be a mire, take forever and people probably aren't going to be happy with whatever we pick any way. Further, we generally agree that the wiki isn't really a clan; I think this is a good approach to continue to take. All these capes and flags are really indicative of a Clan, as opposed to just an extension of a website, and I don't think it's a good idea to put a whole lot of weight on them. (Though this may seem at odds with actually registering as a clan and using the new CC as we have done, it's acceptable because it unbinds us from C Teng and is administratively more flexible).

Fourth, anyone who asks, in good faith, will be recruited (one chevron). I don't imagine we'll have 500 people asking, so recruiting anyone who wants to won't really be a problem. If we do hit the limit, then we can address it at that time.

Just as a maybe-idea, we could re-open rfrs again. One of the new ranks has retired; we've lost Stelercus, Arin and DJ Backflip (and one of the new ranks said he was retiring but he lied). So we're down ranks, and that was the reasoning of opening them the last time. (We could also wait until the first batches of admin reviews are done, whereby we're likely to lose several cc ranks; I favor this approach.)

(wszx) 00:45, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - It would be nice to have people who are around a bit (I play the game a fair amount right now...not necessarily meaning I should be one, but I am currently the only clan admin on). It would be nice to be able to make other sysops admins. But it's nbd if they have to wait for Teng/Cook. HaloTalk 01:00, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I like it, and have no problem with it. One addition is maybe have some users be deputy leader rank, in that only they (and myself) can promote to admin rank. The suggestion is 'crats are the rank; I prefer (maybe in addition) some sysops who are often playing for this. Aside from seeing Dragon a few days ago, I haven't seen a 'crat in the clan chat for months.

Also, if we just close FC without telling a lot of people who don't edit, but just sit in chat, we'll lose all of them. HaloTalk 01:05, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
We could leave it up to crats, but I like the idea of having some specific people made deputy owner/silver key for the express purpose of promotions. Also, closure of the fc would be accompanied by an aggressive notice to that effect on the main page I suspect. (wszx) 01:08, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

While there will almost certainly be outcry about shutting down R S Wikia (and I don't really want to either), but the logical reasoning that its pretty much left in the dust by the new system far outweighs the nostalgia and such. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 01:02, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I saw Zerg on this morning...forgot which 'crat that is though. HaloTalk 01:05, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm in general agreement with most of the above. Also note that we are now free from the "shackles" of the previous system where we were restricted to 100 (200?) ranks due to the restrictions of the friends list. 222 talk 01:06, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I am against abandoning fc. For one, cc has a very long name, which is rather annoying at times. And then there is also an issue with the double slash and what not. I do recognise how minor those are. But nonetheless, the clan chat is anything but perfect as it is. I do prefer the earlier proposal - Keep the general discussion in FC, but move anything of actual substance such as events into the Clan Chat. The clan chat is much bulkier and less... user friendly, shall I say. The requirement for a personal invitation? All the things with guests? Rather extraneous, in my own opinion. I do recognise the advantages of the Clan Chat, such as the admins' ability to change it and the flexibility as well as being able to do things easier in groups. However, most people just use the CC/FC to talk. And in that regard, FC still seems easier to use. And yes, that is partly because we're all used to it.

Secondly, I do believe bureaucrats deserve their own special group. Dunno how to do that, just stating opinions. Admins being admins works well. CC admins should all remain sergeants. We do NOT need any more ranks as of yet. We can always cross that bridge when we come to it. As the only active forum admin, I officially declare that we the forum admins don't realyl care which rank you give us, am currently a lieutenant with ability to get kicked by admins and ability to kick CC admins. Doubt we will have a problem with kicking in the CC, so all the ranks are a bit pointless, as long as we have someone who can kick.

All the alterations in rank after the structure gets established will still require community consensus. Insignia and such may be picked at will as long as there are no major disagreements. Any group wishing to change it can still try to bring that issue up. And people should be able to join the CC as they did FC - at will, and should be welcomed by the community. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 01:22, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

It's also come to attention that if we switch to the CC, we will likely lose ranks, as one person cannot be ranked in more than one chat. This is not a compelling reason to stay with a fc: it's best that our ranks be both active in and committed to it. Losing ranks who select other chats over ours is no great loss. (wszx) 05:29, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

If a rank is loyal to both the wiki and their clan, we shouldn't be forcing them to make the decision between one or the other. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:43, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Loyalty to a clan and loyalty to the wiki are now mutually exclusive. (wszx) 05:47, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Says who? --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:50, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Says the fact that you cannot hold ranks in more than one CC at a time. You pointed this out yourself, keep up. (wszx) 05:51, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Except that no decision has been made that the CC will be used over the FC. You're being premature. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:54, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
I mean structurally Jagex has forced everyone to pick. (wszx) 05:55, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Oh. Well, yes. But if we decide to keep the FC open, it won't be as much of an issue. Come to think of it, is there any reason that we can't use both? --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:59, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Yes. You would know this if you actually spent any time in our chat. Most wikians are not members of another clan, and so they idled today in both the fc and the cc. People had simultaneous conversations in both, and the split chat is enormously difficult to keep track of. It is untenable to keep both active. (wszx) 06:01, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Has anyone considered the following? Moving to using the clan chat and abandoning the friends chat would cause the chat to lose ranks because you cannot be a member of two clans at once. Any administrator or bureaucrat who wished to be in any other clan would be unable to hold a rank in the clan chat. Hooray for Jagex and their community-breaking updates, huh? Anyway, aside from this issue I don't really care whether one or the other is used. I'm in another clan and am going to stay that way whatever happens here. However, for others the decision won't be so easy, and I suggest that there be a separate discussion on which ranks would be lost and whether everyone feels as though losing those ranks is okay. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:41, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, wszx ninja'd me. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:59, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Stop adding unacceptable usernames Who ever is adding people needs to pause and consider their name first. Names that we find unacceptable here, or that encourage drug use, or are offensive in some other way, should NOT be added. That simply promotes more of the idiocy we have to fight against so often. A modicum of propriety should be maintained, this is a wiki chat after all. Not a hooligan 420 club. I am absolutely not against fun, don't start twisting my words. But a small level of respectability will be good for us in the long run. It could even help attract good editors, instead of people only looking for a social club.--Degenret01 05:44, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm not quite sure where you people are getting the idea that to be "loyal to the wiki" you need to have a rank in the clan chat. Are you not able to just keep the wiki cc as your "guest cc"? Or, and here's what im seeing, have we started to see ranks as status symbols again? Is staying in the wiki cc too humiliating if nobody can tell that you're a very important rank/sysop? God forbid they assume that you're just a passer-by. Do your thing, join your actual clan and get ranked so you can participate in RCW and stuff like that. The wiki cc is, and will always be, social chatting with a few friendly events thrown in every now and then. Don't let Jagex get it into your head that we're in medieval clans which are at war with each other and you'll be shunned if you don't wear the cape/flag at all times or attempt to talk to those evil "outsiders". If lack of ranks becomes a problem, which it probably wont, we can always re-open RfRs to fill a few spots. The new features that we have here are for the lols, they really shouldn't be taken seriously lest we begin to expel people for having low stats. Then it'd just be to3 sitting in there by himself with a purple on purple cape :3 - [Pharos] 06:06, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I don't join the clan chat, for reasons most of you know, but I'm going to say this anyway: Do not use the new clan chat. Do not force people to "pick a side" like Jagex has, with laying this blanket no-multi-clanning rule. It's not fair to anyone, and you guys will definitely regret it in the long run as more and more clans are created, and more and more people become interested. That is all. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 16:00, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I know you're just going to disagree, but they've effectively made it easier to multiclan, given that you can now be in the chat of three communities at once. ;D melonWatermelon slice.png 19:04, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yes I'm going to disagree, because it is impossible to be in more than one clan at once. Sure you can be in multiple clan chats, but NOT clans. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:05, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose exclusive switch to CC - From what I can see, moving to the clan chat from friend chat is a horrible idea. A lot of Runescapeians are loyal to other clans (as has already been brought up), but may still wish to take part in the wiki, including it's chat. I myself made my own clan as a way of getting an awesome cape, and as a result cannot now join the RS wiki clan. This is highly unfair, and I still want to take part in disscussion, so the friends chat should stay as our primary means of RS chat. Preferably, I'd like some clarification as to some peoples opinions on this subject apart from the others, 'cause it's important.  Golden warpriest of Zamorak helm.png Wingcap Firemaking master cape.png 19:28, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's what joining as a guest is for. There's nothing unfair about it. (wszx) 22:52, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Stay with fc, ditch the cc There is no advantage to the cc, their are disadvantages as others have mentioned, and conversation is very disjointed at times as people use half one and half the other.--Degenret01 01:30, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Keep both - They are both easy to maintain. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 01:38, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Evil, have you spent a lot of time in just one or the other? Please go try it. Then wonder why you only understand half of what is said.--Degenret01 01:40, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Keep FC as main - As per what I said above and the ranking issue. It's more friendly, as the name implies. It's more casual, more come and go. Remember, the original clan chat's purpose was so wikians could simply talk to each other within the game. And the friend chat fully accomplishes that. Also, as per Degen, having two at the same time is pure hell. Can we just keep CC for events-only? Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 02:24, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Whichever one we choose, we need to completely abandon the other one. Otherwise we're going to have split chat because not everyone will switch. (wszx) 02:27, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - On the 4-part proposal:

  1. Abandoning the FC makes sense only if the decision is to have only the CC, therefore this part of the proposal is really to use the CC exclusively. The advantages, generally referenced non-specifically as "manageability" by proponents, are
    1. that someone other than the owner can perm-ban people,
    2. that someone other than the owner can assign ranks, and
    3. that the chat capacity is increased to 500 from 200.
    Given all that, other chats in which I participate and which are similarly loosely associated and open have decided to stay with the FC system exclusively. (Disclaimer: This is not an endorsement, only a clarification.)
  2. Distribution of clan ranks should be by role. The only roles within the clan functionality (as I see it) are:
    1. kick people from chat
    2. perm-ban people from chat
    3. maintain the clan web page
    4. recruit more people and assign ranks
    5. wear the cape
    Any role anywhere else (existing FC, this wiki, IRC, wherever) is irrelevant. (Disclaimer: I have no rank, and I rarely use the chat that exists already.)
  3. Clan standards, banners, and whatever seem fairly inconsequential to me. The question is: does the wiki care about them enough to "recruit" people just so they can wear the colors? I suppose you could recruit people into the clan, but require a rank higher than recruit to join the chat.
  4. Recruit is a rank and as such is subject to the conditions in point 2 above. However, game IDs are never deleted unless Jagex bans someone from the game. If you're going to recruit anyone who asks, I'd suggest that there be some kind of activity requirement to maintain any rank, not that that's a new topic to this wiki. However, that's a whole other unresolved discussion. Do you really want to create another context where it applies? --Saftzie (talk) 08:21, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Lootshare/coinshare is apparently a funtion only of FC. At the very least, it is not available to people "visiting" a CC. Therefore CC is not usable for events. --Saftzie (talk) 08:21, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Events haven't been held in the main chat for quite some time now. --Henneyj 13:30, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
I know. I actually do go to events. However there was some talk farther up the page about using the new CC functionality for events. Sadly, it won't work. --Saftzie (talk) 23:38, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Seems simple to me. We don't use LS/CS in our friends chat anyway, wikians are going to want to be able to continue using wiki while using services such as 1fastsc, soulfire, star find, world60pengs, housesw31, and so on. It's easy enough to use wiki as a guest chat if you so strongly desire to be part of another clan, too. I'm sure Jagex will get clued in and solve the long chat-name problem in time, and ranks who want to be part of other clan chats will have to consider where they want to stay. Easy. melonWatermelon slice.png 19:04, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Get rid of FC, bring in CC - No, I'm not saying this just because I'd have less work to do; I don't mind it that much. Looking over the above, although I see there are disadvantages to the CC, I think the advantages outweigh them. But above all, the idea that we should keep both chats reminds me of when we had two IRCs - it didn't work. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 19:32, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I prefer the Clan Chat, the intoduction of Vexilliums and Capes gives a sense of individuality, I think - Maawong 11:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Keep both - This will allow users to pick which one they prefer to be in, and since both have active users in them frequently and both have active conversations, there's nothing wrong with the system now. --LiquidTalk 00:01, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ranking (Separate to above, not a continuation)

Since it was created, we've been ranking anyone that comes in and asks for a rank. This seemed the best option because it allowed people to access the Cape and Vexillum; and what's the harm in letting them have the "recruit" rank with no actual powers.

We've found a few issues with this system though :/

  1. While we may only have around 20 people in the CC at any one time, if we continue to add everyone we will soon reach the 500 rank limit.
  2. As i discovered today, sergeants aren't able to kick/ban people who are ranked, even at recruit. Only admins+ can derank someone and then kick them, which unfortunately is an unchangeable setting.
  3. Players can only be added to the clan (given a recruit rank) in person. Meaning that an admin or dept leader has to meet them ingame to add them.

So yeah, we need to stop ranking randoms IMO. I really don't see an alternative. The current system makes sergeants quite useless and if we booted them up 3 ranks to Admin we'd have to push admins up to Dept Leaders with the B'crats and then Gaz would be left with the responsibility of... well, everything.

Discuss :3? - [Pharos] 06:12, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

So known editors and community members would remain recruit? Or will we be classifying all of them to be "randoms"? 222 talk 07:34, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Look, I'd love to be able to have "known editors and community members" ranked. They're a fellow wikian and should be allowed to join the clan and wear the cape/vex and whatnot. But already you can see the problem with that, right? How do we define the requirementsof this group? Known? Known to who? And how do you define known? Is that 'seen them around' or 'spoken with them a few times' :/ Degen suggested thatthey have to frequent the cc for at least a week to be ranked, but then the cc gets strangled with red tape... - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 08:52, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
No need to get so miffed over this. Also, we're barely a quarter of the way to being full, and I can't yet comprehend another 300+ people requesting to join our CC any time in the future. 222 talk 09:31, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Miffed...? Who are you and what have you done with brains :P And yes, fair point that we don't exactly have people tripping over themselves to join but it's still a future problem to consider. And that's problem #1, combined with #2 and #3 I still think it's an issue that needs to be adressed sooner rather than later - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 10:33, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Probably not exactly miffed, but you sounded a tad more aggressive than usual. What's problem #2 and #3? 222 talk 10:39, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, I suppose I do. But it was really just me asking myself rhetorical questions. When I get aggressive, you'll notice because I'll begin to call you things like "mate" and "buddy" and get more condescending than usual :3 But I digress, #2/3 are the ones I listed above in the intro to this section. Namely, sergeant ranks being unable to kick and admins having to meet ingame to rank people - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 11:00, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Can the star ranks kick? i.e. Lieutenants, Captains. #3 could be solved by only ranking known clan chat frequenters. 222 talk 11:50, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Current settings are sergeant and higher can kick guests (can be changed), and admin and higher can kick clanmates (forced). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 11:55, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Can we not just all be the same rank? I don't see the advantage of just star'd users being able to invite people into the clan...   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:10, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Comment -

  1. While in the first 3 or so days of the camp we got to about 100 members, since then the number of new members joining per day is a lot less. It will take a long time at this rate to fill up. There are a bunch of strategies we could use to counter this if it becomes a problem.
  2. Jagex is allowing the ability to properly leave the clan chat channel in future, so with any luck they'll allow temp kick/bans of ranks in the same way. If not, then is is it really that much of a problem if the sergeants and lieutenants being pushed up to admin?
  3. I haven't seen a thread about this one, but I believe (or maybe just hope) that Jagex will do something about this too.

Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 11:55, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - It will probably take close to, if not more than two years for us to have 500 ranked members, by which time even Jagex will likely have come close to perfecting the system. We can't really be thinking two years into the future, and many changes will have been to the made to the system by then anyway. So, per Gaz, so what if we have a few more admins? It shouldn't cause any problems. If the sergeants/lieutenants have been trusted with those ranks, they should be trusted with a rank of admin too. As for ranking all other oncomers, well, I agree that we shouldn't just rank "randoms", perhaps unless they've made say, at least 10 edits on the wiki, been a guest in the clan for a certain period of time, etc. I've had an account on the wiki for five months, and made over a hundred and fifty edits, and I've been in the wiki's FC for the same amount of time. Obviously, that's not quite as impressive as say, Cook's 100K edits, but why should I have to be in the exact same position as a person who'd never even heard of the wiki before? As for problem #3, as I said above, we could actually make use of the Clan system and hold clan meetings, where we could do mass rankings, instead of ranking everyone individually. Maybe we could get the ET to organise them and advertise them on the home page, or perhaps we could consider giving someone the job of "recruiter", where they could permanently be at the Clan Camp to recruit new members. I'm just thinking out loud here, but I don't see why some of this couldn't work. Ronan Talk 14:32, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - This thread is somewhat confusing and is divided into two inter-linked parts - the FC and CC and the second on the ranking system.

There is no consensus to shut down the Friends Chat and replace it entirely with the Clan Chat. Both chats will continue to co-exist.

We will continue to rank players who have been in the Clan Chat for a duration of time, I will not specify how long, recruiters can use common sense to determine. If we ever get near 500 recruited members, we can use "a bunch of strategies" (quoting Gaz) to resolve the problem. The ranking system will continue to be the same as before. 222 talk 04:35, May 14, 2011 (UTC)