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This thread was archived on 6 June 2011 by Suppa chuppa.

This forum is a follow-up to Forum:Choosing new RevisionDeleters. There is consensus to redistribute the RevisionDelete tool, and doing this in a similar manner to what was done with CheckUser seems like a good idea. Suppa chuppa Talk 20:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Nominating: {{subst:Forum:Choosing new RevisionDeleters part 2/Template|Username|Nomination statement}}

Gaz Lloyd (Contribs - Deleted contribs - Log actions)

Support - As nom. He's active during European time zones and is trustworthy. Don't see a reason he shouldn't have it. Suppa chuppa Talk 20:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per nom. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 20:47, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Active and trustworthy. --Aburnett(Talk) 21:47, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Weak support - Don't see why not. Matt (t) 22:14, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Excellent candidate for European checkuser. 222 talk 06:18, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:33, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He has already proven himself trustable with additional tools. Real Crazy 09:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Trustworthy and active in both the cc and irc. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:14, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

AndorinKato (Contribs - Deleted contribs - Log actions)

Support - As nom. Andorin has had many occasions where he could have made use of RevisionDelete. He's active and easily reachable as he's almost always on IRC. Suppa chuppa Talk 20:24, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I haven't really seen you in a while. Could you please explain why this is? JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 20:47, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

If by "a while" you mean "a few days." I simply hadn't been on IRC, RS or the wiki lately due to a combination of IRL business and the allure of another game. >> If I'm given revdel I'll make sure I'm on IRC as much as possible so I can easily be contacted to use it. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 21:27, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Andorin is a fantastic counter-vandal and I trust his judgement immensely. --Aburnett(Talk) 21:47, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support - Per nom. Matt (t) 22:11, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yes please. Active, trusted, etc. ajr 22:23, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Frequently in IRC, so would be quick to reach as well as trustworthy. 222 talk 06:18, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:33, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Easily reachable, strong counter-vandal, trustable. Real Crazy 09:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose Does not familiarize himself with how things are done.--Degenret01 13:35, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Suppa chuppa (Contribs - Deleted contribs - Log actions)

Support - As nominator. I always see him in need of this tool, it'd be a great help if he had it. ɳex undique 20:35, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support - You just ninja'd me. He would have great use for this tool. I see many occasions where he has to revdel but has to ask a 'crat. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 20:47, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Like Rsa and Joey said, he has a need of the tool. I've seen him delete at least 2 pages to get rid of 1 revision before What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 21:01, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support - I honestly cannot think of someone better to have these rights. Matt (t) 22:10, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yes please. Active, trusted, etc. ajr 22:23, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Suppa is one of the noobs that spams the block log and recent changes with reverts of vandals. In fact, just recently, he had all the blocks in over a 24 hour period. If you're giving the tool to someone for their use, it's gotta be suppa! Grim reaper hood.png Ben RyfosTalk 05:20, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - The biggest of all noobs who stop vandles from making the wiki better. ;) Superb option. 222 talk 06:18, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:33, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - per all. Real Crazy 09:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Trustworthy and very active. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:14, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Joeytje50 (Contribs - Deleted contribs - Log actions)

I know I am not an admin, but I do think I would have use for this tool. Because the main reason I didn't pass my RfA was maturity, and revdel doesn't really have to do with maturity, I hope I can get this tool. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 20:57, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support If this is allowed to go ahead, I believe Joey would use the tools effectively What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 21:01, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - The thought that we would give this right to a user that has not already passed a RfA is absurd. Use of this tool will absolutely require a significant amount of maturity and healthy dose of good judgement. Users working with this tool will have limited oversight due to the relatively small number of users with equivalent rights and the fact that whatever is hidden is only visible to those select users. If you can't pass a RfA you have not demonstrated the ability to work successfully with tools like this. --Aburnett(Talk) 21:47, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Um, no - How can you even expect this to pass? Matt (t) 22:13, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

No thanks, for reasons on his failed RfA. ajr 22:23, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Rev delete is a more powerful tool than some rights given to sysops, I would say that passing an RfA would have to be a prerequisite to receiving revdel. 222 talk 06:18, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per above, if you don't have access to normal deletion, why should a user have the rights to revision delete without passing an RfA? Sorry, Ryan PM 13:35, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Sorry Joey, but this is simply absurd. This tool clearly requires more maturity and trust than sysop rights, as someone could easily use it to hide proof. bad_fetustalk 15:55, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Are you kidding? You just failed an RfA. The community doesn't even trust you with those tools, so why the hell would we trust you with something even more powerful? Andrew talk 15:59, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Dude calm down, it was just a RFA, let's think it this way, who is most mature? Joey or me, Joey is 3 years younger then me but well is more mature... -- CakeMixwhut? 16:03, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
That's irrelevant. Let's say we have a person named John. John is more mature than a monkey. Therefore John deserves all our of trust? What the fuck kind of logic is that? HaloTalk 17:35, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
But one day John fell down in to a well and died and the monkey gained his admin status. I like this story. -- CakeMixwhut? 17:38, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
I am calm, lol. If I wasn't, you'd know. Wink I do find it interesting that out of all the people claiming Joey isn't mature enough, you chose to go after my opposition. The RFA is very important, as a bunch of people here have also said. The fact that he failed (and it wasn't even close) largely due to lack of maturity shows that the community agrees he isn't mature enough to handle such tools. Revdel is an administrative tool, and one that admins don't even have access to at the moment because it's so powerful. It's similar to oversight. Obviously if someone can't be trusted as an admin, they can't be trusted with revdel. You can argue with this all you want, but it doesn't matter. Look at the wall of opposes. Everyone agrees. Andrew talk 17:18, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Only admins should be able to receive this tool. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:14, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Also - I don't think Wikia will give this to someone who isn't an admin. Jsyk. HaloTalk 03:44, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Cook Me Plox (Contribs - Deleted contribs - Log actions)

Support Cook is one of our most active admins. I'm certain he would make great use of the tools What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 21:22, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per nom. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:45, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Cook is very active and would make good use of the tool. --Aburnett(Talk) 21:47, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I wouldn't trust his sweatshop with the rights, though. Lol Matt (t) 22:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support. Though he spams a bit too much. ajr 22:23, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - We may have to limit the amount of spamming allowed on the tool if he gets it though. ;) Grim reaper hood.png Ben RyfosTalk 05:18, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - He'll find a way to spam this tool as well, somehow... 222 talk 06:18, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Deleting every revision on Sentra's userpage, perhaps? Wink Matt (t) 06:23, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:33, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I like my revdels well done. Andrew talk 16:01, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Extreem oppose - Don't give him something else to spam! I'm joking and this is actually a Support... Real Crazy 09:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Solid choice for this. He know what he's doing and he's very active. Complete support. HaloTalk 17:30, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Agree with all of the above... xScoobsx Talk Contribs 18:25, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Thebrains222 (Contribs - Deleted contribs - Log actions)

Support - As nom. Trustworthy, a good anti-vandal, and is active in Australian timezones. Matt (t) 22:20, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Sure, go ahead :3 S T Y G 06:19, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:33, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - We need to cover all timezones with revdellers. Brains would be the best choice for covering "aussietime". JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 10:21, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per matt. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:14, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per above What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 03:48, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Slight support - Not a big fan of supporting people only because of geography, but I guess you're the best choice for the eastern area. ʞooɔ 04:00, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Haloolah123 (Contribs - Deleted contribs - Log actions) (DECLINED)

Support --Degenret01 13:22, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please. ajr 13:46, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Very active in the cc and trustworthy. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:14, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I haven't seen you do anything in months... sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:26, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Sorry Halo, I really have not seen you do much of anything in countervandalism for a a long time. You're super active in the clan chat, but not really on the wiki. ʞooɔ 23:48, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Declined - I've been really on the fence about this over the past day. I am quite active in the fc/cc, and I think that'd be fine. But I will most likely be less active once I get a job (which should be very soon), and then I don't know what fall looks like...probably even less than having a job because I'll have 8 hours a week working+16 in class. As much as I want to help, I don't think I'll be a good choice for this. HaloTalk 23:57, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

One problem

All of these may or may not be good enough people, but they have somthing in common which is not to the benefit of the wiki. They all spend more time in the IRC than the CC or FC. Now beofre you freak out spazzing, I am not saying that people in the IRC is bad. I AM saying that this limits contact methods. A very very great many wikians never have nor care to use the IRC. But a great number of these DO in fact frequent the other chat (in game) places. So in the name of common sense, name some non controversial person who can be contacted by the rest of us. It simply makes no sense to have all the revdeleters all in the same place, albeit at different times.--Degenret01 06:59, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

IRC is publicly accessible with nothing more than clicking a button to log in. There's also a User talk namespace that any single one of them would reply to relatively quickly. I see no reason why we should base all this off of who is on the FC or CC. With the group of RevDel above, you've probably got someone on Recent Changes watching 24/7 and wouldn't even need to contact them. Grim reaper hood.png Ben RyfosTalk 09:01, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
90% of our users do not even know we have an IRC. --Degenret01 13:22, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Don't forget you can't link in CC. 222 talk 09:28, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
You don't need to link, you can simply say, x user can you please revdelete the edit I just reverted on y page. You don't need to link it. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 09:40, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
If you're editing the wiki, you're not extremely likely to be in-game as well, unless you're flicking between tabs, or on dual-monitors. IRC is fine, but feel free to nominate someone that's frequently in-game Wink Real Crazy 09:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
People in game are not editing? 95% of my edits happen while I am in game, on a single monitor. And I know a lot of others do the same.--Degenret01 13:22, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

People....I raised this point because in our in game chats, we do actually get real people with real legitimate requests for things happening on the wiki. Deletes, blocks, what have you. From many people who have no idea how to use other reporting methods, as ALL they know is how to read articles, and hang in our chats. And omg yes, there are a lot of them.--Degenret01 13:22, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

How would someone who ONLY reads our articles even be aware of RevisionDelete and when it's appropriate to use it? You also neglect to mention that the person who is probably the most active in the Clan Chat (and of course is its owner) is Gaz. ʞooɔ 16:44, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Mr Cook, accusing me of neglecting to mention Gaz is inflammatory. I did not mention Gaz as I have seen him for about a total of 15 minutes in the last week. Thank you. --Degenret01 22:52, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
You are saying that you want someone who is active in the Clan Chat/Friends Chat to have access to RevisionDelete. Gaz is that person, regardless of whether or not you personally see him a lot. I'm not inflaming anything, and I would appreciate if you took attempts to poke at your argument as what they are instead of some personal attack on you. ʞooɔ 00:48, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Question: How many revdels are we picking here? Andrew talk 16:19, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

We're picking 5. If more than 5 receive significant support, we could always ask Wikia if we could increase the number. Suppa chuppa Talk 16:51, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Andrew talk 16:54, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Why can't we just give it to all the admins and get over with this... -- CakeMixwhut? 12:47, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Ask wikia. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 12:49, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Because a powerful tool, and it's a lot harder to find someone abusing revdel than it is most sysop tools. HaloTalk 23:27, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Not quite; it is hoarded by Wikia because they misuse the extension/don't understand what it was designed for. All sysops on Wikimedia have the deleterevision right, to hide obvious vandalism and spam - that is what it was designed for. The suppressrevision right is in the oversight group on Wikimedia to hide personal info. Instead, Wikia uses deleterevision to hide spam/info, and suppressrevision to hide staff actions which we aren't allowed to know about. One of the many problems with a for-profit wiki hosting company... ajr 23:37, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Ajr knows what he's talking about. I was just paraphrasing what Sannse said on the thread. HaloTalk 23:45, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Notice - There is consensus to grant User:Cook Me Plox, User:Gaz Lloyd, User:Suppa chuppa, User:AndorinKato, and User:Thebrains222 the revdel tool. I have sent Wikia a message requesting them be granted this userright. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:10, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - The 5 users have been given access to this tool. Suppa chuppa Talk 23:46, June 6, 2011 (UTC)