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This thread was archived on 25 November 2011 by Thebrains222.

There are various reasons why people could be banned from Special:Chat, and for varying lengths. However, there is no regulation as to how long a person should by default be banned from the chat. When it comes to blocks from the wiki, there is the seemingly default 3 days for general mischief makers, with some leniency at the discretion of the blocker. But with the chat, it really does seem to depend on the banner more than anything. This often results in inconsistent bans, with bans ranging for general disruption from 2 days (Dictator Wambat) to 6 weeks (Saradomin Knight), both for the same sort of disruptive behaviour. If we had a default ban length, then it may help to prevent inconsistencies like this, as well as help provide a guide for chat moderators unsure of how long to ban somebody for. My proposal shall cover 2 types: join/quit spammers and general disrupters.

Proposal 1: Generally, my rule for join/quit spammers was to ban them for 24 hours and to unban them sooner if they requested so. However, this is most likely too long a time, therefore I am proposing a maximum ban of 3 hours for join/quit spammers. This should be plenty of time to ensure that they have closed their connection and to notify them of their issue. Also, should they resolve the issue and request to be unbanned before the 3 hours are up, they should be so. This would be entirely the decision of the moderators though.

Proposal 2: As I pointed out earlier, the standard block time from the wiki is 3 days. It seems to me the standard ban time from the chat is 2 weeks. My initial proposal is that a default is set to 3-5 days, which can be altered if necessary depending on the reason for the ban. For example, if somebody is merely just spamming nonsense [1] this should warrent a 3 day ban, as it would if it had happened on the wiki itself. Meanwhile if somebody started posting offensive and/or dangerous links, then the ban would be extended to, for example 2 weeks to a month.

This should hopefully stop those who were unlucky enough to have a bad connection being punished any longer than necessary, as well as sort out the mess the length of bans has become.

Full details of current chat bans can be found here. What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 22:49, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Just to make it clear, I am NOT proposing that we set in stone how long certain bans are, but rather try and set a guideline to prevent inconsistencies What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 16:40, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nominator What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 22:49, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support 1 & 2 - It seems like them times are a reasonable amount. And with the shorter times, they can still join the chat but realize that they can be ban if they misbehave. Hair 22:53, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comments -

Proposal 1 - We should unkickban them after they leave for the first time, after that we can go to the hour thing, and then to the days, etc.
Proposal 2 - I'd like to be able to say lets avoid having certain things written in stone, but I kinda guess that is what prompted this discussion. I suppose that would be a good guideline, but it shouldn't be set on that length so the kicker can modify it at their discretion since not all acts are the same. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 22:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Slight support - Although I agree with the crux of your proposals, I would be loathe to have a set amount of time allocated for each type of chat offence. I feel that the above should be used purely as a guideline, and not set in stone. If we trust our Chat Moderators enough to give them the tools in the first place, we should trust them to exert discretion and their own sound judgement in such circumstances. I think it's a bad idea to establish an average length of time of a block under a given offence, as these things vary greatly due to severity, history and the personal record of the offender. All we really need to do is establish these guidelines and have trust in our authority figures. Ronan Talk 23:07, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Having a set time for the join/quit spam is a good idea, and having other bans being done in the same manner as blocks, is a good idea, so the chatmod can make a decision based on the particular scenario and also previous history in the chat. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 23:22, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support - having a guideline for ban lengths would be helpful. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 23:38, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I do not like the idea of setting the block lengths for some amount of time for offences. These should vary depending on the severity of the offence and the banned users' history. But if this were to become a guideline, where would this go? RS:CHAT is currently a policy. Smithing (talk | contribs) 04:11, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

{{Vote|Support}} - (Testing new Vote template) I agree that there should be some guidelines for ban lengths, but think that UCS should take priority: if the moderator feels that they need a longer or shorter ban (eg, a normally very kind and respectful user goes on a nonsense rampage - maybe they left the computer and lil bro wondered in), they should be able to, at their discretion. As well, I think the proposal needs to be expanded. You mention join/quit spammers and general disruptive behavior, but not other rules such as attacking other users. Hofmic Talk 06:42, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

It would be slightly hard to cover every single rule. In this case I used posting dangerous links to cover more serious rule breaking such as breaches of UTP What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 16:40, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Semi-Support - Per Flay. I would like these as guidelines, but not to be absolute. --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 12:35, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - There aren't any guidelines for banning on the wiki that I know of. 3 days is just logical for minor offenses. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:35, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not aware of any either. That's why I think it would be nice to have some in the case of future CMs since most of us already know the generally accepted times. --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 01:39, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Both proposals will be added as guidelines to RuneScape:Chat. 222 talk 11:27, November 25, 2011 (UTC)