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This thread was archived on 29 July 2010 by Liquidhelium.

This is a proposal to implement a calculator to work alongside charm logs. After working with these charm logs for a long time, I noticed it is very easy to make a calculation/typing mistake for the numbers (I'm guilty of making these mistakes too).

Take the Aberrant spectre charm log for example:


And say I wanted to add 183 kills, 20 golds, 11 greens, 6 crimsons, and 11 blues. Well, some math wizzes would think this would be easy, but it's still very easy to make mistakes like this of actually decreasing the number of golds.

So what I propose is when a user goes to a page like this, there would be a calculator on the side that would let them input how many kills and logs they have, and then display what the correct total they should update the kills and all the charms to. Discuss! :D Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 05:22, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


Support - Sounds like a great idea, easier than using the computer calc.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 12:13, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Weak support - Meh, I don't really find it easy to make a mistake, but I see your point. bad_fetustalk 20:50, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Question - Is there any way to make it so that when you edit it, you just post your charms you got, and it somehow increments that onto the total? Just thinking out loud here. ʞooɔ 21:40, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

See Forum:Preventing charm log vandalism. This solution would cause such an effect. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 23:09, June 10, 2010 (UTC) 
I see. So are we going ahead with the Charm log submissions page, would that make this proposal moot? I'm a bit confused. ʞooɔ 23:59, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Assuming that this is given the final go-ahead (which I find likely), this suggestion would likely not be needed. I think it would make a good alternative, though, in the case that checked submissions are rejected. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 02:00, June 11, 2010 (UTC) 
I was reading Forum:Charm logs: A nightmare to maintain, so from the discussion, I thought a proposal for some sort of regulation was shot down. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 05:38, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
It was my understanding that the proposal in that forum was to restrict IP submissions further than normal editors. I believe that was what was shot down. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 15:39, June 12, 2010 (UTC) 
In Forum:Preventing charm log vandalism, I thought that the proposal reached consensus, so that we can start having a "Charm log submissions" page. ʞooɔ 16:57, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I am able to handle my math and have no trouble, but like above, others do. So per nom. Coelacanth0794 00:01, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Good luck with the coding. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:47, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I just realized that the war of legends wiki uses something VERY similar of getting logs, but when you go to edit the page you see each person's log, but the page automatically sums up the total. The only downside is that it makes the page somewhat long. See here Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 01:31, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Meh...that could get messy. It's not very hard to add really. If we wanted to do something, I think it would be best just to have it where you put in kills, # of each charm, and it just auto-updates for you. HaloTalk 01:36, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
That's exactly what I was thinking, and Stelercus was wondering about something similar for Exchange pages. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 17:03, June 12, 2010 (UTC) 
Haloolah, that's actually exactly what is does. When you go edit, you add your own individual entry, but when you view the page, it only displays the total sums. This allows for greater transparency to knowing "who added what" and would make combating vandalism easier. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 03:31, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
I have constructed a mock-up of something similar at my sandbox. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 04:09, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
That looks great. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 04:20, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Y'know, I think that combining the bot and this could work very well. Users only need to add basic data to the submissions page (and have a validating graphical interface to do so, as per Halo's/Steler's idea), but the bot validates the data and then adds it to a full log page (such that a history can be easily viewed). It then keeps the total on the current charm pages. The reason for keeping the full log separate from the other two pages is that it has the potential to become very long. This would cause extreme server load, as some of the more popular charm logs would quickly reach enormous sizes, and they would be loaded and parsed every single time someone viewed the page for the monster. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 05:45, June 13, 2010 (UTC) 
I hope this idea doesn't mess up the coding for the bot that you're working on. I was also wondering what would we do with the existing data we have right now. Would we assume that the data is error-free and use that as a starting point? Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 06:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
(indent reset)Almost, but not fully. When Dark says he is ready I was going to start checking each charm log, not fully examining but doing a skim of the data, and I would let him know as each one is cleared for use. Any errors missed would eventually be canceled out by additional entries.--Degenret01 08:13, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Or we could even start anew, though it would certainly be a pity to lose all of the good information. I doubt it would mess up TLULbot, since the bot only views the source code. This would be implemented via Javascript, and would therefore not affect TLULbot in any way. Oh, and Quarenon recently wrote something very similar for Exchange pages, I'm working on adapting it to charm logs. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 01:53, June 18, 2010 (UTC) 

Support - Useful. 222 talk 02:18, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

{{Rfc|Complete}} Matt (t) 22:34, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Just do it - This proposal has reached consensus at least once before, so just do it. Debating the same thing over and over again is an unnecessary waste of time. --LiquidTalk 02:22, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for Charm log calculator. Request complete. The reason given was: Complete

222 talk 06:10, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - The proposal will be implemented, if TLUL ever gets around to it. --LiquidTalk 02:01, July 29, 2010 (UTC)