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This thread was archived on 1 August 2010 by Aburnett.

Hello everyone. As you may have noticed, I, Ajraddatz have been making some modifications to the RuneScape:Administrators page, as well as Category:Administrators. The latter has now been divided into two subcategories; [[:Category:Active administrators]] and [[:Category:Inactive administrators]]. This change has made it easier to quickly tell if an admin is active or not, just by looking at their userpage (as well as other stuff which I won't go into, mainly because it is small and nitpicky). This proposal is about my existing and future changes to the administrators' information page. I have done two things so far on RuneScape:Administrators. First, I removed the table with the inactive administrators' usernames and date of last edit, and replaced it with two simple lists, one of inactive bureaucrats and one of inactive administrators. To briefly explain why I did this, there are two reasons. First of all, I wanted to make the entire page uniform. Second, nobody cares about when a particular inactive admin last edited, and quite frankly it doesn't even pertain to their status. An admin can be inactive and still make an edit on occasion. I have also filtered out the list of active administrators, removing both the ones that haven't edited in months an those who have made only a couple of edits within the last few months. On a list of active administrators, especially on a "contact list", people hardly need to be linked to the pages of people who only edit once a month.

Now, onto the changes which I am proposing to make. All that I have done so far was done using my common sense, but I now tread on more controversial grounds. Because both the RuneScape:Administrators page, and RuneScape:Contact us are there as a point from which to find and contact individual administrators, why don't we allow it to do that? My proposal is this: Instead of using just a list of links to all of the admins' userpages, why not instead have a table which links to their userpage, talk page, Special:EmailUser (if the said admin has a contact email address set). Additionally, we could add a link to their contributions, edit count, log actions and edit report, but that is something that I am guessing not all people will agree with. Please discuss. ajr 23:14, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment -The only issue I see is that some admins may not wish to be contactable, for what ever reason that may be. So, although it will be more of a pain in the ass to make, instead of including the category of all active admins, have the contact list page only contain those who state they are okay with it. Other than that, good work man.--Degenret01 23:34, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, that could work. I can especially see admins not wanting the email link to be widely available; that has been something that has come up on other wikis that I've done this on. ajr 01:33, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Per Degen. I'm somewhat...scared by the email thing. There is no reason sysop NEED to be emailed about wiki matters. That just sets people up to get spammed, but I suppose since it's optional, they can do themselves in. HaloTalk 04:08, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Eh, prior to 19 December 2009 every active 'crat had their name listed automatically (if they had an email registered; it was listed as well). I was the only one with a listed email for almost a year and never received a single spam message and I'd have no problem listing it again.-- 04:59, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
Well...I'm just saying it set-ups a major possibility. Maybe people actually have better things to do with their time than I thought. HaloTalk 05:04, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
You can disable email from users in prefs. CFVUSTBucket detail.pngrwojy 05:33, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't think that administrators should be getting emails from users. I have a couple reasons... There is always at least one administrator on, whether it be on the wiki, CC, IRC, TS, etc. Second, if the administrator is checking their email, they are most likely on the wiki anyway. Third, administrators talk pages are practically the same thing. Fourth, I doubt any administrator wants their personal email available to the wiki, for potential spam. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 05:00, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

As has been said, there is an option in preferences whether you want an email link available or not. For those who have it enabled, it's always been shown in the left side box when you go to their userpage, so this isn't anything new, it's just more accessible. The actual email is not revealed at all, unless the admin responds to that person's email from their personal email box. Christine 17:19, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Email should only be used for extreme or private cases. Also, "we could add a link to their contributions, edit count, log actions and edit report", according to RS:AEAE, I'm going to cross out those that don't matter... "we could add a link to their contributions, edit count, log actions and edit report"... It is a good intention but the current system is fine and 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:24, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

It is a page specifically about administrators. Why not actually have information about administrators on that page? Also, the quote you use doesn't apply here: I'm improving something, not fixing it. ajr 19:32, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Umm, I truly do not see any problems, apart from the one thing Degen said. I think many administrators do not mind being contacted through email. If they do, they can easily disable it/keep it disabled in their prefs, and when someone clicks the link, it says they have it disabled. We should keep the emailuser links for all admins though, in case they re-enable it, or just for the sake of consistency. The contributions, editcount, log actions and edit report are all good to check up on an admins contributions. It doesn't even have to be in a serious sense; just people who are interested how often the admin participates or what their main areas are. And the statement 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' from above is EXTREMELY incorrect. A lot of things 'ain't broke' in this wiki, but we continue to improve and expand. Back in 2005, a lot of things weren't broken, but they could always be better. If we had used that belief since then, where would we be now? Chicken7 >talk 06:40, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose As an admin, I do not want anyone to contact me via email. 16px‎AtlandyBeer.png 14:07, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - It's a good idea, but is emailing an admin really any faster as a means of contacting them than posting on their talk page? Besides, as stated above, there are usually several admins active on the CC, IRC, and the wiki itself. Sounds good, but the benefits seem limited. Suppa chuppa Talk 17:41, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

._. - Alright, no e-mail box. Happy? ajr 19:24, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, what am I saying? I was thinking stuff but not typing it. Like I said in response to Degen's idea, I will contact each active admin first to make sure they are OK with both the e-mail and talk page link. If they aren't, then I'll just put None provided in the box. That should satisfy everyone. ajr 19:27, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
If that's the case then just do that, there shouldn't need to be a consensus on something like that, I wouldn't think. This can probably be closed. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 19:35, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for Changes to RuneScape:Administrators. Request complete. The reason given was: complete

Ajr will contact each admin asking them if they would like their email used. If they do not, it will not be provided. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 19:35, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that was the main reason why I made a forum on it. How about the links to contribs, log actions, etc? ajr 19:37, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
That part seems fine with me. Suppa chuppa Talk 19:40, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Notice of intent - If nobody else has anything to say on this matter, then I'll implement the changes tomorrow, or the day after. I'm going to be on a plane tomorrow evening, so that could make a difference. ajr 14:11, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'm fine with it as long as you do not take the liberty of implied consent. That means that administrators must opt-in to have their emails listed, having their emails listed automatically and having to opt-out to have it removed. Of course, you could mention something on their talk pages (and say something along the lines of disable the email option in user preferences). --LiquidTalk 01:16, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
No, nothing like that. What I'm going to do is leave a message on their talk pages, and when they respond, add their email if they wish. If they don't, or have not yet answered, then I'll just fill the box with None provided. ajr 13:37, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - I've implemented the changes. ajr 21:32, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Changes implemented. --Aburnett(Talk) 21:35, August 1, 2010 (UTC)