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This thread was archived on 2 July 2010 by Powers38.

Lately, it appears that only administrators decide what polls do and do not go onto the main page. If an admin goes to {{Poll}} and changes it nobody really questions them. I am not going to use an RS:AEAE argument, but rather that it just seams wrong to me. I think we should change the format used to decide polls to something similar to the way we pick featured images. Users can propose different polls on a project page, and after a week or so should there be consensus to use it, it will be added to a list. Polls will run for about two weeks, as usual, and then the next poll on the list will be used, and so on. If a poll is time sensitive, its position on the list can be moved up (for example, it would be odd to have the Dungeoneering polls used a few months after the skill is released). If an update comes out unexpectedly and a poll on the topic would be a nice touch, then we can trust the judgment of whoever updates the poll that they will write a good one, to put it bluntly, as there will be little time to get even a rough consensus to use the poll.

This method mainly serves to ensure we get a good mix of polls and that ideas from non-administrators have a chance. We still need to use common sense and allow administrators to update the polls without consensus when there is no other way to effectively gain consensus to create one within a logical time frame.

Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 15:52, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

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  • Support - As proposer. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 15:52, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment - It is administrators who will find the consensus... That could be just as biased as the current system. It will also be a lot more of a hassle. --LiquidTalk 15:57, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
    • I think we should change the format used to decide polls to something similar to the way we pick featured images. Users can propose different polls on a project page, and after a week or so should there be consensus to use it, it will be added to a list. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 16:05, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
I saw that bit. That reminded me of the FIMG system, which I hate. --LiquidTalk 16:12, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Why did it remind you of the FIMG system when it is a copy (or at least close) of the featured image system? It's not any different from our system of consensus, really. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 22:48, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Liquid has a point, but I'm hoping sysops aren't very biased for the most part. (Also...any particular reason you guys feel the need to use bullet points for comments?) HaloTalk 16:17, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

I like bullet points Smile. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 22:48, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
Meh...they seem to confuse matters to me. But hey, whatever floats your boat I guess. HaloTalk 22:52, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - The poll template is only semi-protected. Any user may change the poll, provided they wait at least two weeks and update it using the correct format. Dtm142 16:22, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to have to oppose this now. Since any discussion-based consensus requires an administrator to find the consensus, it is a lot mroe prone to bias than the current system, where any autoconfirmed user can go and change the poll (as long as it's appropriate). The proposed changes, in essence, are reminiscent of "big government", something I'm fundamentally against. --LiquidTalk 00:04, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Slight Oppose - It seems to me like a change is unnecessary, per Liquidhelium. I would explain more, but I'm too tired at the moment. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 08:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC) 

Oppose - Just a small poll. No harm done if there's no consensus about it. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 18:46, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I don't see why not. bad_fetustalk 18:51, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

New proposal

The purpose of the above proposal was to create another way for users to submit ideas for polls when they are unable to do it themselves, though the means I proposed to do it appear unpopular (though it appears that some users are under the impression it would become the only way to create a new poll when this is not the case). This may be because the current poll has not been around long enough for it to be updated or whatever other reason. Therefore, I don't see any reason not to create a poll suggestions box as a more passive way to accomplish the goal of the above proposal. People can leave poll ideas there, and when it comes time to update the poll, anyone can change it to whatever they see fit which may be something they found in the suggestions box. Because this does not really change anything, I don't see any reason not to do this. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:00, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nom. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:00, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Nah, this isn't any better than the current version. bad_fetustalk 12:15, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Between this and the original proposal, I'd take the original proposal. This is going to be a lot more chaotic than a FIMG-style system for selecting polls. --LiquidTalk 17:49, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's just a project page where people can drop poll ideas. Nobody is admonished to even acknowledge it's existence, so I don't see what the big deal is. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:03, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think we should just make a poll when we think of one and time has past for a new one to be allowed. Anyone can do this.

Bonziiznob Talk

04:05, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

The purpose of the sub proposal is to make a place where people can leave them. Nobody has to even know it exists, let alone look at it, in order to update the poll. While one may argue that it has no upsides, you can't argue that it has down sides. I can't really see any reason not to. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 09:32, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I see that there should be a way for people to input their ideas for future polls, but people are arguing that it would make the process more chaotic. I think a place for people to add their ideas for a future poll and having a link to it is a good idea. People have input into stuff on the front page like the featured images, articles, and users, so why shouldn't there be input for a future poll? Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 19:23, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Support - It would be really useful when updating the poll, some users would get a buzz from having their thing on the front page, and it has many minds thinking poll ideas reather then only a few. I guess that it would also give users another platform to start with community involvement. (mine was AOTM) Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Spelling should also be checked. It's annoying when someone mispells encyclopedia as encycloepadia Runecrafting-icon.png Stormsaw1 Talk Sign HighscoresRunecrafting-icon.png 17:36, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

You actually technically mis-spelt encyclopaedia. Lol That is the British spelling. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:16, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
I lol'd   Swizz Talk   Events!   12:49, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - No consensus was reached, has been unedited for ages. HaloTalk 16:55, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - No consensus has been reached. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 16:56, July 2, 2010 (UTC)