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This thread was archived on 4 May 2016 by Liquidhelium.

I've noticed on several occassions that the correct British spelling of words like instalment are mistakenly "corrected". So I would like to suggest an inline notice template like {{FloorNumber}} to show that is indeed correctly spelled in the wiki's preferred spelling of the English language.

EDIT: Example: instalment[UK]

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Support - As suggester Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:00, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Support - I've suggested this ingame to Gaz (I think it was Gaz, might have been Ty or Dro) at least once, but nothing's ever been done. I'd have made it myself, but I really suck at coding. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 19:05, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Pointless honestly. There are so many variations that it would flood pages with distracting notes. It also wouldn't stop people from changing it either. MolMan 19:06, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Maybe it won't stop them, or maybe it will. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:36, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
We can already see with {{FloorNumber}} that no, it won't. MolMan 19:40, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
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Neutral - It sounds like a good idea, but fit[Scottish] would the limit be? Would it just be limited tae[Scottish] tricky words like instalment[British] (which Jagex themselves have misspelt[British] at times) or tae[Scottish] all British English that is different frae[Scottish] American English (colour[British], armour[British] etc)? Having too many notices on a page (which are often ignored) may just bug people What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 19:13, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

We would have to make guidelines so it won't get out of hand, e.g. once per word like links and only the words that are "corrected" the most like instalment, colour and armour, but only the cases when they are "corrected" very often like for instance the word instalment at the beginning of quest articles like River of Blood and others. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:36, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Kind of ironic that you aren't even speaking real English. MolMan 19:39, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Hey Mol, how about ye[Scottish] stop being a dick about the English I use? There are different forms of English aside frae[Scottish] British and American What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 19:45, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry I don't understand? Did you say something about french fries? I'm sorry, this isn't a restaurant. MolMan 19:47, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
I don't think that intentionally using a niche dialect is conducive to intelligible discourse. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:37, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - create an abusefilter for that? --Iiii I I I 19:37, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Wouldn't work well. It might work for simple cases where only the word is changed, but larger edits would be filtered too often. MolMan 19:39, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Pointless honestly. There are so many variations that it would flood pages with distracting notes. It also wouldn't stop people from changing it either. There's literally 0 reason whatsoever to explain a policy on every god damn page. This proposal is as valid as putting a notice on the top of every page that says "Please don't vandalise[American]."

The only reason {{FloorNumber}} exists is because it provides a use beyond restating policy, because it also helps to remove ambiguity to the readers. When you hover over the tooltip, you get a notice explaining the difference between the two systems. Is this necessary? Sure. The proper location should be communicated clearly. Can the same be said about British versus American English? No, not really. If something says "color" versus "colour"[American], it doesn't change the meaning of the word.

This is honestly one of the worst ideas that's been proposed, almost as bad as -Matt's idea to substitute all user boxes. We'd be inflating the size[American] of pages, both in source and prose with pointless annotations. And in the end, we'd find it doesn't do anything! Most of the people changing these spellings are using the visual editor, so they'd only notice this template's existence if it were extremely obnoxious[British spelling].

This is also a ludicrous enforcement of the style guide that hurts editors as much as it hurts readers. No one wants to annotate every goddamn word that has an American variant, especially when it's probably at least 10% of our vocabularies. Who even remembers every word that has an American English variant?!

The spelling isn't even the issue. You guys are just being lazy and decided you got bored of reverted spelling changes. If you want these kinds of edits to happen less (because guess what: they'll never stop), find a way to better communicate our policies. I dunno, maybe we can have a cute little header that links directly to the style guide. That's an actual solution. But no, this idea here is downright retarded. MolMan 19:39, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Here have a Snickers, you seem to write a whole essay when you're hungry. It was just a suggestion, calm down. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:55, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
I don't like caramel. MolMan 19:56, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Simply not a good idea. Potentially saving yourselves a few seconds of reverting (and even that's dubious) in exchange for badly cluttering a ton of articles is not a worthy tradeoff. FloorNumber exists for readers, not editors. ʞooɔ[American] 19:49, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Support - So long as it's not used excessively (e.g for every instance of 'colour') as mentioned above Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 20:22, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Won't work Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:37, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - It's an example of the uselessness of {{FloorNumber}} taken to extremes. --Saftzie (talk) 22:15, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Yeah no[contrad.]. User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 08:54, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

yeah nah mate --Iiii I I I 00:28, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
yaw naw m8 - Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 00:50, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
Aww naw hell naw --Top hat (blue).pngLashaziortalkBlack cane.png 02:00, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Doubt it'll have more than a slight effect. It *might* stop some people from changing to wrong American spelling, but the huge amount of notices on pretty much every article would be extremely distracting. If people are ignorant or oblivious to our using proper real British English, can't do much about it. I've never seen anything similar anywhere else anyway, though I'd like some wikis to have "We use American spelling, please don't be offended by this travesty." tags. ;P User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 19:16, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Warning: FSWE's signature invariably links to monobook, please don't be offended by this travesty. MolMan 19:19, April 29, 2016 (UTC)
Welp, Monaco's discontinued, 'innit? ;) User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 07:31, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Is it really that hard to just revert an update? That being said, I think this would unnecessarily clutter the page. --dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 12:45, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Nah, I'll edit anything I consider editable, no matter how small. :P Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 18:54, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - However it's a persistent problem which is not limited to just our wiki. I've seen on Wikipedia, I don't remember which language it was, that it had a notice at the top which dialect it was using. Although that was a notice for just that article, we should somehow inform all readers/editors that this wiki uses British English and by extension also mention the flooring system for those confused Americans. ;) Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 18:54, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a note about what style of English to use because it has no preference for American or British. See MOS:ENGVAR. The difference is, we invariably use this one variant. I'm not against adding something to [[MediaWiki:editnotice-0|editnotice-0]] to link to the style guide, but anything more than a short sentence and a link is too much. MolMan 19:02, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
A short sentence and a link are fine. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 19:17, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - Inline notices referring to the Queen's English will not be used. --LiquidTalk 20:04, May 4, 2016 (UTC)