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This thread was archived on 19 September 2010 by Liquidhelium.

Recently, this talk page was made uneditable. If this is not against any policy, it certainly should be. Liquid is an admin, and should appear to be setting a good example. I know it wasn't him doing it, and I do not blame him for it. What if a new user needed help and seeks advice? What if someone needed to contact Liquid for other reasons? I don't mind these things as long as they are small and avoidable, which this clearly isn't. If there is a way to avoid it then sorry, but even then new users may not know how and thus it should still be limited. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 01:45, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - These used to be somewhat amusing, but at this point they are used at such extremes they are nothing more than a nuisance. These get in the way of anyone trying to view the page, not just the user the talk page is for, and will more than likely frustrate anyone who is trying to read what the page has to say. As much as I would like to allow them, I can't see a reason to anymore. Edit: I am suggesting that "nukeing" (any floating image/text intended to make the page less readable) in any form should be removed, including all templates that perform the same function. 01:20, September 16, 2010 (UTC) Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:56, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Sorry, but that's immature and pathetic. Anyone that does that is clearly disrupting the wiki. I will be very blunt here..if that's something that anyone thinks is funny then they should get the hell off the wiki. Andrew talk 02:20, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Question - Is this proposal addressing completely blocking out the page or the general idea of it? For example, my nuke template that I made a long time ago fits the "small and avoidable" description if it is used properly. --LiquidTalk 02:28, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. The big ones should definantly be banned. Why can't you just link him to one? Not saying I want to ban yourt first template, just wondering if we really need it. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 02:47, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - banning any element which permanently blocks text and system links. However the nukes put on Liquid Helm's page were just jokes that were going to be removed soon. I oppose any policy which says editors can't do this once in a while and temporarily. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:35, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Liquidhelm's nuke template ordinarily covers only a small portion of the text and covers no system links. So I also oppose any policy which would not allow templates like that. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:39, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Although it's not all that annoying to deal with (right click -> block this element), it's still far more annoying than it is funny. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 03:52, September 15, 2010 (UTC) 

As a side note, I'm also working on a script to force all system links to the top regardless of anything blocking them. If anyone wants it when I'm done, feel free to use it. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 03:56, September 15, 2010 (UTC) 
If you want to disable the talk page nukes for you, you can install this script, but it conflicts with a few templates and such (nothing major). I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 06:19, September 15, 2010 (UTC) 
I'll clarify what I support - I only support getting rid of images that significantly disrupt the average user's ability to view or edit the page. A little clippy in the bottom does not do this, but a talk page nuke as linked above does. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 03:08, September 16, 2010 (UTC) 

Support - It's very annoying. BTW its not "blocked", you can still link to edit if necessary (pain to do though). Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 04:06, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

alt+shift+e kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:07, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - This shouldn't happen. ajr 04:11, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per above...this is just taking things too far. HaloTalk 04:14, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - It really does get rather annoying and there doesn't seem to be much point of it. BerserkHackr 04:20, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Though the thread name should something like "Unreadable/uneditable talk pages" because "blocking talk pages" could mean preventing a user from editing a page. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 05:11, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - We don't allow talk pages to be protected so why should we make it that it is possible for people to not be able to edit it. It's fine if it is just a small thing in a corner or something that is hidden but if it disrupts editing then it is just annoying and disruptive. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:14, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - What Sentra said. It's just annoying, stupid and shows a lack of common sense. Not everyone knows Ctrl+Alt+e (for example, me) 222 talk 07:42, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per all. I'd also support making all of the smaller ones require a class (the same class) so that users can completely disable them via monaco/monobook/oasis.css easily. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 14:01, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support to a point - As long as the links are not usable. For example, I don't see a problem with helm's talk, I can still use the links there. bad_fetustalk 15:07, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- If you support banning all templates that block talk pages, please ajust your vote to say that. If you just post "support", I'll assume you just wish to block the big ones and not all of them. Thanks. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 00:42, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose disallowing all floating images - That is way too extreme. There is no way to determine just how much is too much. If all floating images were banned, then the clippy that I have on my talk page (and many other users have on their talk pages) would not be allowed. If a single nuke image blocks a page, then the argument could be made that the clippy blocks the page also. --LiquidTalk 01:34, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

As I said in the cc, its things that are used on other people's talk pages. I don't put my dot on your talk, and yet you and psycho put nukes on each other's talk. I know you don't mind doing it to each other, but that is, imo, where the line is drawn. If anyone besides me and liquid wants to say where they draw the line then go ahead people. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 01:40, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
And what if the recipient wants it? Look at my talk page and 3i+1's talk page. We both have a clippy in the bottom right corner that are of equivalent proportions, and say similar messages. However, what you are saying is that even though we have the exact same thing, my clippy should be allowed, and 3i+1's clippy should not be allowed, because I added the clippy to my talk page and Psycho added the clippy to 3i+1's talk page. It's been there for at least 8 months, and yet it shouldn't be allowed because it wasn't added by the owner? --LiquidTalk 01:47, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
Well, in general, I do not think its a good idea to do stuff like you, psycho, and III do. I don't really have a problem with you and them playing around, but it seems like its unavoidable that it will eventually go overboard as it did here with the big nuke. The same thing happened in the past with the fake blocks, which you were not involved in but psycho and III were. We are not a blog, image sharing site, etc, and we are also not a social networking site. I am the kind who believe that unless something is hurting, its not a problem and most of the time your goofing off isn't hurting anything, but there are times when it does. How can you say that <5 personal images per user would be worse then this? If you really can't take not having this kind of stuff going on I likely cannot get anything past to stop you. If we can agree on banning big images that block the edit button, then ok, but I would like you and your friends to take into consideration what things like this and the fake blocks do and try to avoid them as much as possible. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 02:05, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, I like that. I would support drawing the line for things that block the edit button while allowing images that don't. --LiquidTalk 02:08, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
Request for closure - From now on, all images that block the edit button will not be allowed. The discussion has been open a while now, and people have stopped posting. The idea has more then enough support to pass, also. While I still don't see the reason for any nuke at all, I have decided that since they hurt nothing I will let them and their owners be. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 02:32, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
I think we should add that anything that severely limits a users ability to read the talk-page be banned as well. Severely meaning that it is impossible to read any content on the page even if you scroll, etc. 222 talk 02:35, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
Can't you click the edit button and then it disappears into a template? I'm not saying I support any form of nukes, I'm saying that living with the nukes is easier then trying to ram this threw and arguing it out when interest in the topic seems to have faded. Third age robe top.png 3rd age farcaster Third age druidic robe top.png 02:38, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - From now on, all images that block the edit button will not be allowed. --LiquidTalk 02:42, September 19, 2010 (UTC)