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Okay, to start off, Psycho Robot and I had a discussion about clan-advertising accounts (e.g. User:RuneGeneral.com and User:Draynor.net, both of which have already been blocked today), however we found a grey area where neither of us were sure of what action to take.

User:Star Find is run by in-game player Guin987 (who runs the Star Find CC in-game) and the userpage gives several sentences about what the clan is all about. However, unlike RuneGeneral.com and Draynor.net (both of which had only 1 edit in total), Guin has actually used the account to positively contribute to the Wiki several times. From this, we know that he isn't using the account solely to advertise.

However, with regards to advertising, our block policy is somewhat vague, stating that: Advertising in any form (aside from websites listed under "External Links"). Following what is said here, the account Star Find should be blocked, since it is a form of advertising, although quite mild. But Psycho Robot and I aren't exactly sure that blocking him is the way to go, thus this page.

Proposal - Decide as a community what action should be taken for this sort of account, and based on that, we will add the extra clarification to our user block policy.

Discussion

Comment - Ban advert accounts? RS:BLOCK Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 04:16, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Block - After thinking about it for a while, I think the account should be blocked. There comes a point where a name stops being a name and starts being a billboard. If his RS account were actually "star find", then I'd be more inclined to allow it, but when the account name is different than the RuneScape name, then it makes it a conscious effort to advertise the clan in places beyond the user's own page. As such, I think the account violates the advertisement rule, and should be blocked. Also Man Tag, I think you misread the opening paragraph >_> kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 04:18, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

No clue why I put the block thing in put we should make a rule about it. Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 04:24, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
If he owns the "Star Find" clan chat, he must therefore own the account. What about my clan chat? Am I advertising for the D-ark-Ang-el clan chat whenever I mention my in-game name? I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs a.k.a. D-ark-Ang-el 23:16, November 27, 2009 (UTC) 

No block - No. Unlike the other two accounts, Star Find's userpage includes information not only about the clan, but also about himself. There are two sections about him and only one section about the clan, which I think goes to show that he joined the Wiki to contribute, not to advertise his clan. He is probably just a very loyal clan member and the clan section in his userpage is probably a "by the way" thing, he just put it there to make his userpage seem nicer and longer. --Nup(T) 04:33, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Btw, Guin987 is the owner of Star Find. C.ChiamTalk 05:18, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose blocking - As far as I see, Star Find is not harming the wiki in any way by his current actions. He is not inserting advertisements into any mainspace article, and his only promotion of the clan seems to be on his userpage and one edit to a talkpage. In addition, he is positively contributing to the wiki. Blocking him would only hinder positive contributions. Butterman62 (talk) 04:48, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

I mean users like this Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 04:50, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Comment We have to decide if we are going to allow clans, as he is a clan more than an advert. If we decide no clans allowed, then it is not going to be an exception for that account.--Degenret01 05:44, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose blocking - per Nuparu and Butter. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 05:46, November 27, 2009 (UTC) (edit conflict)

Oppose blocking - If I created a RS account called "Box Lovers", then created a clan to reflect that name, then created a RSW account, User:Box Lovers, are you going to ban me? Especially since my edits are constructive?

Hope you see my point. Also, Star Find is an in game organization, it's not outside of RuneScape, it doesn't promote other websites, all they do is help people out with shooting stars. I see nothing wrong with helping other players. Like we said, he's making constructive edits and is not advertising, there's no reason to block. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 08:22, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

What I am about to say next has zero bearing what so ever on this discussion, and I wasn't going to bring it up, but since Diriz wants to mention some good points about Star Find, you should be aware that they are also hated/despised by hundreds and hundreds of RuneScapers, if not thousands. And that is NOT an exaggeration. Seriously. I would personally welcome merch clans into this wiki before Star Find. But because I feel so strongly about this I am not speaking on the issue of whether or not we should have clans here. I am way too biased.--Degenret01 08:33, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
Again, nothing to do with this convo: OMG! Since when? What'd they do? I thought they helped people o_o wait, wat, what's going on, huh. I've even been in there a few times, they helped me find a star real quick when I needed it... Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 08:38, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
At the same time, Star Find crowds stars so fast that soloers who hunt in their home world sometimes don't even get a chance to obtain 200 stardust before the star is gone. C.ChiamTalk 08:45, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
Oh. Well that sucks. Back on topic, however I still think Guin has the right to own User:Star Find. I'll create another story for example.
A man was born hundreds of years ago, named George Zezima. He burnt down Jagex castle and killed all of the world's fluffy bunnies. The world hated him. Centuries later, Peter Zezima was born, and was hated by all for the deed that his ancestor has done centuries earlier.
Does Peter not have as much right to use the name "Zezima" as George? Just because there's one bad apple on the tree, does that mean that the rest of the tree should be killed? Just because there's a flaw that alot of people hate, does that have anything to do with the wiki, even so much that we have to block a person for expressing his freedom to pick whatever username he likes? Everyone has the right to use the words "Star" and "Find" in their username, whether they're together or not. Maybe that person just likes the name. If Guin is from the clan or not, he has the right to name his account whatever he wants, and as long as he doesn't advertise his clan (which we're already guilty of stereotyping him for that) or make bad faith edits, he should be treated just as you and I are. Note: I tend to like to use stories to make up my points in discussions, please just slap me if my stories are too stupid or make no sense, thanks. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 08:56, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
We aren't stereotyping him for it. Unlike RuneGeneral.com and Draynor.net which were advertisements the moment we were created, the name Star Find is still acceptable. There's no stereotyping here anyway, look at the userpage: Star Find is the largest shooting stars group today within RuneScape with over 1,100 registered members and counting. Star Find was established on the second of September, 2008 which is the same exact day in which Distractions & Diversions were released inti the game of RuneScape. The official clan chat of Star Find is Star_Find - join today. :) C.ChiamTalk 11:32,

November 27, 2009 (UTC)

........ so? Is there a problem with him using his userpage for what a userpage is meant to be used? It's his clan, his life, his userpage, his editing tools. He can do whatever he wants with them. If he wants to make up a story on how Jesus once made 1,000 fluffy bunnies fly over the River Styx, and say it's true, he has that right. Fiction or Non Fiction, advertising his clan or not, he can put whatever the hell he wants on his page. It's not like his name is "Star Find.Com" and he's spamming pages with "JOIN STAR FIND RIGHT [email protected]#$!#@$" He's keeping to himself on his userpage, and he has that right. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 19:49, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - I can't really make an unbiased choice here (in the same was as Degenret) so I'm going to stay neutral. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  09:00, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

No Block - Even though I would personally like to see no advertising here, I think that blocking someone just for the name would be rediculous if they have also made good contributions. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 09:40, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

If we're giving a block, it's not for the name, but for actual advertising. C.ChiamTalk 11:32, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
That's not what's being sat at the top. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:05, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

DO NOT BLOCK - Guin is a very close friend of mine and we only block accounts that are made for the sole purpose of advertising. His account is obviously not and I am offended that you guys would even consider this. I'm sure he would be quite upset if he saw this discussion. Andrew talk 15:29, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Soldier, I'm slightly concerned that there are personal issues playing a role in your opinion, with him being a close friend and all. If you had never known this person, would you still have your current opinion? Butterman62 (talk) 19:24, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose blocking - It is the actions done with the account which are the problem, not the name of the account itself. The point of the anti-advertising claim in the user block policy is not for the name of the account, but to distinguish a specific kind of vandalism such as somebody who changes content and puts into an article "Buy enhancements at 'buyviagra.com'". Yeah, I'd call that vandalism and something which needs to be removed. Even something more game-related like "Tip.it rulz!" being inserted into an article is a form of vandalism that can and should be fought against. As for the user accounts themselves.... if somebody wishes to do a more subtle form of advertising by using the account name as an advertisement, it would largely depend on how it is used. I mentioned this with the debate over blocking accounts with the "title" of "Mod" being used as well... as I thought it was also inappropriate to automatically delete such accounts. Mostly likely, vanity accounts of this nature are not going to be used much for actual edits, in which case there is little point to even perform a block.

Offensive words and racial slurs are things which are fine to block just due to the name used on the account, but that is a specific exception to what should be Assuming good faith and trying to be helpful to a new user. Assumptions of good faith can even take place with even something like Draynor.net as a user name --Robert Horning 15:38, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose blocking - Per Robert, he summed it up nicely. The user is using the account to edit pages helpfully. Also, what their page seems like is that they tell a little about themselves, and then talk about your clan. Placing stuff about your clan is allowed, just as long as it is in your user namespace. ~MuzTalk 15:56, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


Do NOT block - If any account has made positive contributions and hasn't vandalized, a little advertising should be fine. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 17:09, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I was the one who reported RuneGeneral to admin requests - because the account hadn't vandalize, the CVU wouldn't have worked. Admin requests would be the correct place to report this sort of thing in the future, right? http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 17:13, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

I would think so. Either that, or directly contacting an administrator about the matter. ~MuzTalk 17:17, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


Block - The rule states that if it is advertising, then it must be blocked. No matter if it's contributing a tiny bit, it is nonetheless still advertising. scoot4.pngscooties 17:20, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

How about you open your damn eyes. He isn't advertising. If I put information about a clan on my user page would you block me? Andrew talk 17:25, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
RS:IAR Wink http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 17:29, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
You don't have to sound quite so mad, Andrew. :/ http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 17:29, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
If there was a ridiculous discussion about blocking your good friend then you would be mad too. Andrew talk 17:30, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
Can't argue with you there.... sorry. (But I think it's pretty obvious that he won't be blocked) http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 17:38, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
You do realise that just the account name would be blocked, and he'd be free to create another one, right? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:55, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Tua, sure, you can advertise and talk about your character, yet Guin can't talk about his clan? Think your words over a bit. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 19:51, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Blocking - It seems to me that the reason Tua is supporting a block is "because the regulations say this, so technically, we're supposed to block him." I point to RS:IAR. This user is not harming the wiki in any way. So what if his userpage mentions his clan? So what if it says "join today!"? If I were to put a section in my userpage saying "I am also part of the Mercher Win clan. This clan helps people make money from the Grand Exchange without taking advantage of other people. Check it out sometime ;)", would you think it necessary to block me? Star Find (the user) has made constructive edits to the wiki. Blocking him would stop him from making a better wiki. He is obviously trying to do that, and is simply providing a bit of information about himself and his clan, in a place where it is appropriate to do that. Blocking him is not warranted. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 23:16, November 27, 2009 (UTC) 

Oppose a Block - Soldier is clearly upset that his friend is being scrutinized like this, and I would be embarrassed if it were ME that you all wanted to block. I would feel very unwelcome to say the LEAST! 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 23:32, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Idea - Ban website accounts and not clan ones like Star find? but if more clan (just clan) Accounts come ban? (And Merch clans like Goldmech) Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 01:47, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

No! They all will get treated equally. All allowed or none.--Degenret01 02:49, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Banning clan advertising is IMHO even worse than blocking website addresses (which I don't find to be a problem either) and explicitly brought this issue up on this forum thread asking for community consensus on this issue. It devolved into a debate about namespaces and Wikia limits.... and no real support for banning account names like this at all. So my question still prevails: Why are these accounts being blocked at all? This simply shouldn't be happening and IMHO is against existing policies as there is no requirement at all to block these kind of accounts in the first place. I suppose this forum thread is about establishing such a policy, to which I'm against. --Robert Horning 02:05, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Degenret is right. If a name like Star Find is allowed, then manipulation clan names should be allowed to. Despite the horrible effect they have on the game's economy, they are not breaking the rules. Jagex has confirmed this multiple times. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:58, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Just tell Star Find to remove the join today. :), then he wouldn't be advertising it anymore right. --Nup(T) 03:28, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Pyscho's correct, we would have to allow any type of clan name. Nuparu, he has a right to encourage people to join his clan. Putting that on his page is not advertising, that's exercising the free use of his userpage. Now, if he were to put that any other page other than his userpage, 'that would be advertising, and that would be blockable. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 03:31, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Wait, since that's the problem then why are we having this discussion? He isn't doing anything wrong. --Nup(T) 03:38, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Its about whether or not his account name qualifies as advertising outside the user namespace. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:47, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
It's quite obvious if you just look at his contribs.. pffft Andrew talk 03:52, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
I'll ignore the pffft. No one is accusing him of spamming the wiki with clan advertisements. If you look past your indignation and personal attachment, you'd see this. The argument raised is should a name that was consciously decided to increase the awareness of a clan be allowed? The simple fact that his name is 'star find' means that it gets all over the Wiki: in page histories, talk pages, and other places where advertisements would not normally be allowed. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 03:57, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Everybody have the right to use the name Star Find. So what if its a clan name? Maybe he prefers Star Find to Guin987. --Nup(T) 04:00, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
I have looked past my "indignation and personal attachment" as you call it. My common sense tells me it isn't advertising. People aren't going to look on page 3, edit number 27 of the Distractions and Diversions edit history page and think, "Wow! Star Find must be some clan and I'm going to go join right now!" Besides, how do you know that it was consciously decided to increase the awareness of a clan? RS:AGF, dude. It's not like he's plastering ads for pr0nz all over the place. Andrew talk 04:24, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Apologies my account name has placed the legality of my presence here into question to provoke such a discussion of me merely being here assisting in productively editing and revising the Wiki to benefit others. In no way do I go around vandalizing pages saying "z0mg join mai group 2dai!!1". I merely and briefly mention my group on my user page, and that's it. I've even edited it to accommodate to some suggestions here within this discussion. My username here on the Wiki is not meant to advertise my group; it is, after all, named after an in-game account in which I own. Star Find 04:35, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

That should be enough to close this discussion right now. Star Find is an in-game account and he's already not only explained himself but modified his user page a bit for us. Andrew talk 04:37, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

BLOCK Advertising is advertising, no matter how small

--Firemaking Call meh jat Talk Rune crossbow.png 04:45, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Gotta love people that don't even read the whole discussion. It's not advertising. Andrew talk 04:43, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Ninja'd. --Nup(T) 04:44, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
What exactly am I advertising with my account name? My account name is based off of a RuneScape account name in which I own. It just so happens that I'm the leader of a group and mentioned about it on my user page, and that that group's name is the same as a RuneScape account name; whereas, account names that mimic website URLs are actively walking billboards. However, I have made positive contributions unlike the others in which some of the people in the above discussion compared me to. 04:54, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment Actually, the rules state "No advertising in any form, except for external links", so it is still advertising when someone promotes their CC. I still say "BLOCK"

--Firemaking Call meh jat Talk Rune crossbow.png 04:51, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

So if Player A makes their Wiki name Player A and their clan chat name also happens to be Player A, this is in violation of the rules as it is considered advertising? Star Find 04:54, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

No because Player A didn't actually mention anything about that being their clan chat, someone would have to find it out for themselves. But since Star Find mentioned it and told what it was about, I would have to say it is still mildy advertising. --Firemaking Call meh jat Talk Rune crossbow.png 04:58, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Happy? Forgive me for mentioning the group in which I belong to and my rank within it unlike the hundreds of other Wiki users who do, in fact, do this. Star Find 05:01, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
That's utterly ridiculous. It's on his OWN USER PAGE. He can do whatever he wants on his OWN USER PAGE. Don't start quoting that policy. Read the beginning of this discussion. It's being called into question in this particular circumstance. Learn how to assume good faith and make sure you know what you're talking about. Lots of people talk about their clans on their user pages. Hell, even I mentioned mine and linked to my clan site for awhile until I left my clan but I'm not blocked. So what if his name is Star Find? So is that account's RS name and you don't see Jagex banning him. Wake up, people. Andrew talk 05:01, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I have just placed an advertisement for my clan chat in VERY big letters at the top of my user page. If you think Star Find should be blocked then you should be arguing the same thing for me. Try and stop me from putting that on my user page. Andrew talk 05:06, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment Well in that case I do argue you should take it down, it just looks like you are trying to convince others to come to your CC, if you weren't trying to get people to come to your cc, then you wouldnt put that information on you page. *hence adverts* Firemaking Call meh jat Talk Rune crossbow.png 05:11, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

And I refuse to take it down. It's my user page. I can do whatever I want on it. Are you going to block me? If not, why block Star Find? Are you understanding the point I am making here? Andrew talk 05:13, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well I WISH I could block... And if I could, I WOULD block you too, im not being selective. Can this argument stop, Star find said that he changed it already...

Firemaking Call meh jat Talk Rune crossbow.png

And if you did block me I would be unblocked shortly after because I have done nothing wrong. Perhaps you don't understand how some things work on this wiki, but on your user page you can do whatever you want unless it is blatantly inappropriate. If I filled my page with pr0nz and swear words and hack site advertisements then I would be in trouble; otherwise I am perfectly fine. Andrew talk 05:19, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

I just dont agree with any form of adverts at all, sorry. Im going to stop posting here, so my final word is BLOCKFiremaking Call meh jat Talk Rune crossbow.png 05:21, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

K, if he goes then I am subject to the same punishments by those who don't understand the meaning of user pages. Andrew talk 05:22, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Call, you're being horribly immature. You're threatening to block an admin (if you had the power) for using what his userpage is meant to be used for. Either go read the rules of this Wiki, along with this whole discussion, or don't post at all, because your posts make no sense whatsoever. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:01, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Also, just because you "don't agree with it", it doesn't mean that it's going to become a policy. If you're going to be this way, I'm sure no one gives a damn if you agree with it or not, you're being selfish and not putting any thought into your actions. Just 'cause you don't agree with it, that doesn't make it the truth. Your opinions don't make up our policies, the correct rules for a great community do.Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:03, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Jat, if you think Star Find should be blocked, then do you also think Sir Scizor1 should also be blocked? He's got a clan as well, in fact he even has a page specially for his clan. --Nup(T) 06:11, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
He might as well block me too, I've got a nice big advertisement for my clan at the top. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:23, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

No block - No RSW Policies broken. Why block someone if they haven't done any harm? Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 05:23, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose blocking - Guin's activity on the Wiki has been positive and helpful, so I feel that blocking him due to his Wiki name would be an unjustified action. Plus, even though I don't care much for most star groups, I have respect for Guin and Star Find since many of its members that I've encountered while mining a star on my home world have been very polite compared to other star groups. In any case, Assume good faith and Ignore all rules tend to speak for themselves here at the moment. [1] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 06:43, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Time to clean-up?

It's clear who the community favors. About 90% of the people here oppose the vote for deleting/blocking Star Find's account. I oppose the block as well. I think we have been very clear with our demands. The situation at-hand should be decisive, and the block should be reprimanded.

Think of what would happen if a user were to be blocked from the RSW just because he or she indirectly advertised subtle in-game necessities via their User Page, which, of course, is up to the user to decide what to do with, unless it forgoes RSW policy and rules. I reckon at least half of us here with user pages have some sort of indirect reference to other games, movies, shows, TV channels, foods, items, products, accessories, books, websites, music, bands, etc etc etc, you get the point.

Let advertising be advertising, as long as it does not hinder or infringe upon the very foundations of RSW's purpose, which was to promote ongoing community involvement and support for our beloved game, RuneScape, which is exactly what Star Find's intent and inherent purpose was.

End soliloquy. Exeunt left

IN OTHER NEWS, JOIN MY CLAN LOLLOOLLOLO ADVERTISEMETNS FTW!!!! I SURE HOPE I DON'T GET BLOCKED FOR THIS XOOXOXOXOOXOXOXOO ^________^♥♥♥♥♥♥--Fruit.Smoothie 06:28, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

OMG, more competition! Andrew talk 07:09, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
There weren't any demands Fruit, it was a discussion. Very simple.--Degenret01 07:16, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

LOL INORITE, WHILE WE"RE AT IT LET'S VISIT BASKIN ROBBINS FOR SUM ICE CREAM AJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJJA! --Fruit.Smoothie 07:11, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

In response @ above...

There were plenty of demands, the most common being that the administrators should NOT block Star Find, as opposed to what they originally intended to do. Discussions lead way to demands, and demands pave the road for change, change that can only be necessary through discussion. I'm starting to sound like Obama, so I guess I'll stop. While we're talking about Obama, let's all join the DEMOCRATIC PARTY CUZ U KNOW WE LOVE 2 ADVERTISE LOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLO GF. --Fruit.Smoothie 07:21, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

:Forget Baskin Robbins and Barack Obama ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ Let's all head over to Lil Diriz's, WE HAVE FREE BUNNIES AND KITTENS AND CHOCOLATE AND PENORS AND SQUIRRELS AND GAMES AND AWESOME FACES AND WIKIS AND CHICKENS AND SMILEYS AND FEET AND TEXT AND ROONZKAPE AND ANIMALS AND FLUFFY LOVE AND ICONS AND LOGOS AND KEYBOARDS :DDDD!!!![email protected]#$!#@$ =D=D=D=D=D=DQuest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png

This is just over the top and is an example of precisely the kind of behavior that can and should warrant a user block (even if only temporarily). Heck, for me it is motivation to try and make Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point added to official policy here on this wiki explicitly due to the above kind of behavior. I won't say more because I don't want to feed the beasts. None of this contributes positively to this discussion. --Robert Horning 07:56, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Yea well, he did get blocked. --Nup(T) 07:58, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Look, sorry. I just wanted to joke around a bit, since Call Meh Jat's post got me worked up a bit, and it seemed very childish and not thought out. I felt I needed to make fun a bit, and I did, and I apologize. I've stated my reasoning against Call in the first section. Sorry. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 08:15, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Well then, I apologize if my actions were inappropriate but I stand by what I did because I don't think I "disrupted the wiki" by editing my user page. Andrew talk 15:16, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Maybe that stuff up there ^^^^ disrupted the conversation, but no one should have to change their userpage because of a ridiculous conversation like this. If I could edit userpages, I would revert Star Finds edit to blank his userpage, as he has his rights, and other newbies telling him to blank it just isn't very welcoming. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 20:27, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - So where are we at now. Are majority of the community for not blocking positively-contributing accounts that have a name without a suffix? (.net, .com, etc.) Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 13:18, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment Well, i guess, Soldier, thatyou dont understand what I mean even still. I dont agree with advertising the CC, but it doesnt matter what I think, because democratically, more people voted against blocking Star Find, so can we just chill and drop it? Good lord, Star Find even changed the talk page, so it doesn't really mattner now does it?

--Firemaking Call meh jat Talk Rune crossbow.png 14:22, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

No block - Still slightly confused here because of the nonsense blabbering above, but as long as the account in question is not just advertising, then I don't see a need to block it.  Tien  16:23, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Don't Block - Is the above policy quote not referring solely to the mainspace and other content spaces? In any case, Star Find hasn't broken any policies and has positively contributed to the wiki so doesn't deserve a block. Also, ironically, the section about cleaning up is a mess of external links >.> Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 17:26, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Do not block - Star Find has positively contributed, the name is not a website and he is not blatantly advertising over the wiki; the only advertising is a small section on his user page. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 20:48, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

No block - per all, contributes positively, and people are allowed to design their userpage as they'd like within reason. this seems within reason. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 06:08, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Clarification

I feel a need to clarify what this thread is about. No one is suggesting banning Star Find based on what he put on his user page. The issue that has been raised is does his account name qualify as an advertisement for his clan because it appears in places where advertisements are not allowed such as edit histories, talk pages, vfds, and anywhere that you need to sign your comments. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 06:17, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

I think everyone is pretty clear. Only one one person voiced opposition, and everyone seemed clear on the issue. Please lets not let this topic bounce through recent changes anymore, SF can stay SF on the wiki. But this thread DOES legitimize ALL clans on the wiki henceforth. I think they all understand that also.--Degenret01 08:26, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Mind defining "clan", as I do not consider my group one? Also, in reply to your statement that if I did actually own an account named "Star Find" it would be OK in your eyes - I do. Star Find 22:53, December 4, 2009 (UTC)