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This thread was archived on 12 February 2011 by Degenret01.

Most of you should be familiar with this thread from December, wherein Ikin (known in IRC as Megan) used #wikia-runescape to launch a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack on another user's server. That thread concluded with Megan being blocked from both the wiki and the IRC channel for two weeks. Now I would like to propose that we ban Megan from #wikia-runescape for an extended period of time, possibly permanently if it's deemed appropriate.

Earlier today a user sent me these logs. Creeper is Megan, CraftBot is her bot JSBot, and Mgsts is Megistos:

<Creeper> !blockplaced 46
<CraftBot> khboom placed block 46 at 114:79:89 (X:Y:Z) 34 mins, 41 secs ago
<Creeper> !blockplaced 51
<CraftBot> captinbaer placed block 51 at -281.58.354 (X:Y:Z) 12 hours, 6 mins, 20 secs ago
(Megan sends several more similar commands and gets several more similar results)
<Creeper> Hm
<Mgsts> spam itc
<Creeper> fuck off
<Mgsts> no srsly
<Creeper> fine I ddos you to keep you quiet then
<Mgsts> kk
<Mgsts> this is why I don't get worried about my cloak when I'm at university

Regardless of whether it is a joke (which I could believe in this context), threatening to DDoS someone is not acceptable, particularly given her history. I joined the channel to admonish her:

20:20:22 <@Andorin> Megan
20:20:27 < Megan> wut
20:20:32 < Megan> oo I hitted 4
20:20:43 <@Andorin> I don't EVER want to see any more evidence of you threatening to DDoS someone in this channel.
20:21:06 < Megan> Fine I'll do it silencly then
20:21:35 < Megan> lol at my spelling
20:21:53 <@Andorin> Yes, at least then you'll only have to answer to freenode staff, who consider it slightly against the rules to use their networks to threaten DDoS attacks.
20:22:24 < Megan> nope because then I wouldn't threaten
20:22:33 < Megan> I would just do it out them knowing it
20:23:05 < Megan> why was there a icon in barbvillage?
20:23:20 --> Megan was kicked from #wikia-runescape by Andorin [Do you think I'm not serious?]
20:23:26 < Ryan|Skilling> @players 42
20:23:27 <+RuneScript> *** [ PLAYERS ]: Server: 42 (RS) | Players: 901 (45.05% capacity) | Type: P2P | Coinshare: No | Activity/Location: Role-Playing Server
20:23:34 --> Megan [[email protected]/megan] has joined #wikia-runescape
20:23:35 < Ryan|Skilling> Hm...
20:23:36 < Megan> Don't you?
20:24:36 < Megan> send me to jail because what the hell do I care
20:24:44 < Megan> already been there, and I didn't really care.
20:24:57 <@Andorin> You're quite the tough guy
20:24:58 < Megan> so yea.

Quite frankly, this is too much. Megan appears to have no regard whatsoever for... well, anything. Wiki policy, IRC network policy (freenode's staff wouldn't be pleased to hear about this), real-world laws, you name it. Because of this, I do not feel safe in the same channel as her; I now only connect to freenode using a method that hides my IP address. I become concerned when I combine her apparent technical knowledge with her attitude, which strikes me as generally self-serving and apathetic. She is commonly rude to other users, although her comments often don't quite cross the line. Basically, she's guilty of a thousand little offenses and a couple of big ones (this DDoS business, particularly).

Oh, and I've also had to warn her not to discuss botting in the channel, which she's done before. Nonetheless, it appears that she continues to do it:

(Thu-03-Feb-11 11:31pm) <Megan> https://i.imgur.com/u5vnc.png
(Thu-03-Feb-11 11:32pm) <sentra246> ffs brains edit conlficted me
(Thu-03-Feb-11 11:32pm) <Megan> non botting is so boring

Because I do not believe warnings are sufficient to put a stop to her behavior, I'm proposing that we ban Megan from the IRC channel. This has nothing to do with the wiki or clan chat, so please don't oppose on those grounds. Discuss. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:47, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Update: Clarification on the "botting" thing. When I was showed that particular bit of channel log, I did not take it as Megan stating that she doesn't bot, nor did I take it as a general discussion of botting. In the past Megan has made several comments that seem to indicate that she uses or has used macroing software for RuneScape, though no action could be taken because she never said anything outright about it (that I've seen). This is why I say that she shouldn't be discussing botting, not simply because discussing botting is itself a Bad Thing. (That's another subject for another thread, maybe.) The provided screenshot shows a f2p player with ~20 Att/Str/HP and 60-something Woodcutting. That, combined with her history and my knowledge of her general attitude, led me to conclude that she was trying to just barely imply that she bots, and yet maintain some plausible deniability in doing so. Of course, everyone else is free to interpret it how they wish; I just wanted to point out why I included that particular segment. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 04:24, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Update 2: I've been handed some more chat logs, all from the last few days.

[14:45:06] <Creeper> evil http://pastie.org/private/ydj6q2lttjqwbb4htdua
<snip>
[14:50:15] <Evil1888> Creeper: you can not bot and be here or bot and not be here, please choose one
[14:51:24] <Creeper> so just because I bot just like 70% other wikia's
[14:51:28] <Creeper> I'm not allowed to be here?
<snip>
[14:59:31] <Evil1888> Creeper: you just can't be here and bot on rs
[14:59:46] <Creeper> racism much?
[14:59:51] <Creeper> I'm a botter and I'm offended.
[15:00:03] <Creeper> I'm a fucking angry person and you're soon offended

And:

[23:29:36] <sentra246> u botting megan?
[23:30:13] <Creeper> ya
[23:30:16] <sentra246> pharos, the secret came out
[23:30:22] <sentra246> i am the purple elephant
[23:30:26] <Creeper> no look sentra
[23:30:27] <Creeper> https://i.imgur.com/7nFOT.png
[23:30:30] <Creeper> this is not botting
[23:30:33] <Creeper> it just some paint ofc

And:

[23:23:09] <Creeper> I'm going to get 20 str
[23:23:10] <Creeper> well the bot
[23:23:19] <Creeper> then It's nap time for me
[23:26:34] <Creeper> heres a thing with powerbots and rsbots
[23:26:49] <Creeper> powersbots hacks the client rsbots reflects it
[23:26:58] <Creeper> powerbot < rsbots
[23:27:19] <Creeper> I'm winning over every bot atm

And:

[14:35:18] <Creeper> and you know why I'm pissed?
[14:35:19] <Creeper> https://i.imgur.com/hPvZt.png
[14:35:26] <Creeper> fucking rsbots didn't give back all my auths
[14:35:38] <Creeper> I'm still missing auto hunter, auto planker, auto fighter
[14:35:46] <Creeper> fucking a lot of money
[14:36:11] <Evil1888> we banned someone earlier today for saying they buy gold
[14:36:12] <Zamorak> We don't discuss botting RuneScape here, as it's against Jagex rules.
[14:36:24] <Creeper> idc.
[14:36:24] <Evil1888> botting is just as bad
[14:36:31] <Creeper> We don't discuss ddosing
[14:36:33] <Creeper> but still I do it
[14:36:36] <Creeper> and you too.
[14:36:49] <Evil1888> "you too"?
[14:37:15] <Creeper> swearing is against the rs rules too
[14:37:20] <Creeper> but we still do it

And:

[02:22:50] <megan|afk> :<
[02:22:54] <megan|afk> powerbot is down
[02:23:00] <megan|afk> I wanted to scam people

Sorry for the wall of text, btw. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 01:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


Discussion[edit source]

So it's a bad thing that I didn't bot? --Ikin 06:13, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Sorry Ikin, but if you continue to abuse the IRC, as you have done here, you will have to be blocked from using it. Real Crazy iPhone Edit

Support - I am in IRC every day, and while I haven't witnessed the above, her attitude and often disruptive comments continually annoy IRC users and all this small rule-breaking is building up. 222 talk 08:07, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I'm honestly tired of having to read about her and DDoS. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 08:11, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Support 3-6 months - Freenode will not G-Line Megan for DDoSing other people, as they can never have sure evidence of the occurence of a DDoS attack. They will only G-Line her if she DDoSes a server in which FreeNode owns, and the IP retraces back to her own hostmask. However, threatening someone is against any server's ToS, and threatening someone like that is a major offensive issue. Call me the hypocrite for saying this, but you need to calm down. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 08:23, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Long-term or permanent IRC ban. That type of behavior is unacceptable, and from the looks of it, this is all a joke to her. Andrew talk 09:00, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Megan talks about DDoS-ing people because of what she did before. She seems to find it a joke like "Don't talk about that >=)" and I really don't think Megan will DDoS anyone anymore. It is more like a joke and reference to what happened before. And about that botting, yes, I do think she should also follow the IRC rules and stop discussing it. Megan, could you please stay out of trouble for one time? JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 09:39, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per above. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 10:23, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral - As it has been mentioned above, Megan is joking in her own way when she says all those. Sure, it's not a good way of joking, but she doesn't really intend to do any of those. Nevertheless, I can see why you would want to block her, as she is pretty unpredictable. Oh, and I don't see the relevance of the last quote, she didn't discuss anything, she just said that she finds non-botting boring. Also, since when do we block people for discussing things? Anyways, I oppose anything longer than 1 month, and I'm neutral on anything less. bad_fetustalk 11:48, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think discussing anything against Jagex rules is illegal per All RuneScape/Jagex rules and terms apply. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 11:54, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
RuneScape/Jagex rules and terms apply does not mean you can not discuss against them, it simply means you can't go encourage botting, or try to buy an account etc. in the IRC. Otherwise, you would need to kick people even for asking how old someone is, which is against the RuneScape rules under asking personal information. bad_fetustalk 12:19, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
Note that I don't think it is good to kick people for mentioning botting. If I say "i really hate botters" I am as much discussing it, and nobody will tell me to stop. That's how it's supposed to be imo, I was just telling what I think is the cause why that part is even mentioned. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 13:06, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Dude, do you even know what you're talking about? This has nothing to do with "discussing botters"....she's threatening to DDoS people. Whether or not she's serious is irrelevant. Those threats are no laughing matter, and she's also treated others with disrespect. Andrew talk 17:37, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I very well know what I'm talking about. Read the proposal, the third quotation is completely about her talking about botting. Perhaps you should go read what people said before jumping in and insulting people unless you like looking like an idiot. Now, for the second part of your comment, I never said I found her joking about DDoSing people funny nor said it is okay for her to continue that. Leaern to read. Also, you said that her intentions are irrelevant, but there is a huge difference between telling someone you will kill them and actually going ahead and killing them. bad_fetustalk 20:07, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
I'm amazed at how oblivious you are to the obvious, especially when I wasn't even talking to you, buddy. Andrew talk 23:23, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
Let's all calm down, chilluns. ʞooɔ 23:47, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Changed to support - Per the chatlogs that were recently added. bad_fetustalk 11:04, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Yes she should be banned so she can take revenge on people like she said she would. --Ikin 11:59, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

This isn't helping >_> - [Pharos] 12:22, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
Do not disrupt this discussion in order to humor yourself, Ikin. You certainly aren't helping your case. Andrew talk 17:37, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I dislike the sentiment that she's joking, so I'm going to use an example. If I'm talking to someone whom I know, and I say "I kill you," it very likely may be taken as a joke, especially if I use certain humorous tones of voice. However, this situation cannot be extended to Megan's situation due to her circumstances. Had I said "I kill you" after pulling out a knife, nobody would take my "joke" as a joke. Not only has Megan actually committed the offense which she is now "joking" about, but she also has the "knife" drawn by using a computer at the time of "joking," and I don't think Megan is stupid enough to believe that anyone else can detect a humorous tone in an IRC if she were in fact using one. As such, I find it completely justifiable to take whatever measures are necessary to prevent her detrimental actions, and, given the UTP-related nature of her actions, I wonder if this applies, as well, despite that it technically involves only the wiki and the clan chat. Leftiness 19:00, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

It does apply, I believe the closer of the thread mentioned that leaving out IRC was an oversight and it was used in the previous block Ikin thread as well. 222 talk 04:14, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support - I'm in the IRC all the time (Mgsts here) and all Megan ever really does is call people various unpleasant epithets. Anyone who would like some examples need only ask and I'll put some more up. In short she not only contributes nothing valuable to the channel but also detracts from what is at times a rather pleasant and informative channel to chat in. I think such a person belongs elsewhere. Ardougne cloak 4.png Raging Bull Talk 04:11, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

I've posted an update to the original proposal. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 04:24, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

STRONG SUPPORT I will never take this as a joke ever. I absolutely hate hackers. Also thats not the reason i support. I support because its against irc policies and wikia policies. I actually want to suggest that we take this to freenode to have them banned from the network. with a copy of channel logs. As i will not risk myself going on there with a hacker. well ddosing is prob not hacking but it is against real world laws. So i want them gone from the network. Got their ip? I will report to FBI if i could. Report their isp's and more. They should be banned from the channel none the less at minimal but i really suggest reporting to freenode about this.Coaster4321 Talk # Sign GG 20:57, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Another update. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 01:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I'm done with this kind of stuff going on some branch of the wiki, especially a repeat offender. She blatantly evaded a ban, she discusses rule breaking, and she just is plain rude to everybody who doesn't share her view points. At this point, I'd support a permaban just due to the fact she threatens and takes away from the wiki and its overall friendly feeling. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 04:32, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - She/he/other pronoun needs to take a timeout from the clan chat. She takes away more than she gives, as others have pointed out. She is extremely rude to EVERYONE, disregards all rules, and is generally a horrible person to be around. She needs to sort out her real life issues that have obviously affected her internet life before proceeding further and earning a permanent ban.

Advice on how to be human: You have a lot of potential to be a great contributor to the wiki and the community, you seem to have a lot of great skills. However, you seem keen to become nothing more than a jerk who will be banned if the attitude keeps up. Whatever the issue is, get some help, find a counselor, etc, because all you're doing is annoying everyone else and making yourself look like dirt. If you weren't such a jerk, people might actually treat you better. It goes hand-in-hand, you have to be the one to take the step. It's time to grow up, hun, and gain a few maturity levels. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:44, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI - Same principle LOL. --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 15:31, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

So... You say copying a game is the same as joking of doing things with other peoples' computers? {{{Plz}}} {{{Plz}}} {{{Plz}}} {{{Plz}}} JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 16:04, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
I...don't get that reference. ʞooɔ 18:39, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
I'm really lost in this crappy song and that crappy computer. Jeff, you're a idiot and I mean it. --Ikin 18:45, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Don't copy that floppy, that might be relevant if we were talking about copyrights. :P svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 19:18, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Piracy is illegal... DDoS'ing is illegal... technology-related... --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 22:18, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ikin, you've gone too far. (RS:UTP) --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 22:18, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Your explanation creates more questions than answers. If I posted a youtube video about wire fraud would that be remotely relevant? ʞooɔ 23:23, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe you should start thinking and then posting, as opposed to posting without thinking before or after. Ajraddatz 23:27, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
<thebrains222> right now id more strongly support banning jeff than megan, on the premise that megan has common sense and jeff is just, uh... it's weird how they want to ban you over me :/ --Ikin 05:36, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Closed Megan will be banned from our IRC for six months. If she returns after that she should be aware that a re-banning for similar occurrences of conduct could take place very easily. Sorry Megan.--Degenret01 09:24, February 12, 2011 (UTC)