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This is a pretty simple decision. I don't have any screenshots, though they do exist. Anyone who has been in the CC with him knows why he ought to be banned. He is not a convivial member of the chat and we do not need to tolerate his shenanigans any longer. (wszx) 00:29, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I would like to withdraw this request. Bawble is one of a group of people who have decided to make our CC unpleasant for others. We're going to have to go through this process again for each one, and given their friendship with Arin and Gangsterls, it's going to be difficult to effect any ban. I would like to save the wiki some time by closing this off now. (wszx) 03:16, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Once any other person supports a proposal it can no longer be withdrawn, unless all supporters agree.03:21, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

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Support. I've seen him in action. Oh, and for those of you who aren't sure what is at stake here: Bawble is egotistical, disrespectful, and provocative. The one time I had the misfortune of sharing a clan chat with him, he was aggressively criticizing another player in the chat for what he saw as use of inefficient equipment during Slayer tasks. He also spoke of matters such as money-making, and implied that anyone who doesn't do it his way (merchanting) is subpar. I heard that others have had trouble with him before that, and I'm not surprised to see this thread here. Others who've spoken with him should feel free to share their experiences. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 00:33, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Who? 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 00:35, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
Bawble. (wszx) 00:38, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I am sick of him assailing everything we talk about and saying how pointless it is. He thinks his way of playing the game is the only way and we can't enjoy it however we play it. Mining cape.png The Last Pun Talk Aberrant Spectre Champion.png 00:39, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Constantly "baiting" other users, which is as bad as trolling. He should find somewhere else to hang out. ajr 00:42, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I have never seen him contribute positively to a conversation. Riblet15 07:30, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - He has been going all day and for some reason hasn't been kicked. He criticises people for no reason and just says everything he does is right and what other people do is wrong unless it is what he does. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 08:00, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Because when he does get kicked he goes and adds screenshots to the last thread calling them "unjust". To anyone seeing just that tiny snippet, it appears that he is being unjustly picked on. I don't think any of the ranks really want to go through that again.

Support - It is very hard to really piss me off but Bawble manages it. He trolls, insults people and picks on anyone who doesn't follow his methods exactly. And then when he is finally kicked he has the nerve to call his kicks unjust by showing snippets of chat. He then demands that all evidence shown by any other wikian be deemed fake? Wikians that have earnt trust of the entire community. He's got to go. - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 08:31, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Need screenshots If for no other reason than to show we are not banding together just because no one likes him. In every society there the people that no one likes. You can shun them, but not lock them up/ban them. Maybe everyone should add this guy to ignore.--Degenret01 08:35, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Why can't we ban someone simply because we all dislike him and don't want him in the cc? The cc is not a right; we don't need any reason to disallow someone's presence other than "we don't want you here." We don't have to prove to anyone that we're not banding together because we don't like him—it's our cc. (wszx) 17:04, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
Every single thing you said is 100% wrong. Get over yourself. The CC is open to all unless offenses are committed.--Degenret01 17:13, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
Why isn't "offending most every user in the cc" an offense? (wszx) 20:46, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
He's not just offending people, he's breaking/coming VERY close to breaking several policies. Even though the CC isn't the wiki, wiki rules apply. Real Mad 10:47, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
"We don't need any reason do disallow someone's presence other than 'we don't want you here.'" No. It's not "your cc." It's open to anyone who would like to join, as long as they comply with the rules. If you'd like to keep people out who you don't like, then use your personal cc. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 01:36, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
I never said it was mine. I said it's the wiki's. Why can't the wiki exclude people that wikians as a whole do not like? (wszx) 03:24, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Support - You may need screenshots, but we've seen the guy in action. A troll that aims for nothing else except to disrupt conversation and baiting other wikians. He'll hardly be missed by anyone, I'm sure. LordDarkPhantom 08:41, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- Since you guys are so obsessed with full chatlogs, here's the one that I posted in the last topic before it got locked, incase you didn't see it

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2847/101227103948k.png

Please explain why that deserves a kick? That is the entire conversation, my first word to my last word, I didn't think giving my opinion on a range weapon would deserve a kick. You people say that I'm "trolling" when I'm giving my opinion, you guys think that everything I say about your methods of training being slower than mine is just to make you angry, even though my methods of training are faster and more efficient. I'd like to point out near the end, where I got kicked, someone asked me why I thought armadyl was a waste of time, and I gave them a valid response. Halo on the other hand, just calls me a moron and a troll, even though most of runescape knows that armadyl is simply a huge waste of time, teams take way too long to find, the hilt isn't even that much anymore, etc. Is it Halo's own ignorance? Does he really think that Armadyl is a good place to go for money, and he thinks that someone calling it a waste of time is just trolling even though it's not? And for the record, I have a chaotic crossbow/rigour, and I am not impressed. Sincerely, Bawble 71.132.217.134 13:14, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

When ever someone levels you just qc your level to show off and other times you just say what people do is wrong and that what you do is always right and better. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 13:18, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not voting just yet, but Sentra's last part is key. People are entitled to their own opinion, and they are free to act on it when it's not hurting anybody. If they want to kill the Armadyl boss for fun, they can do that. It's not your job to go in and tell them why you think that's stupid and a waste of time. Members of the cc clearly found that obnoxious (and frankly, arrogant), and continuing to do so after this was made clear amounts to trolling, hence your kick. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 13:25, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
"People are entitled to their own opinion, and they are free to act on it when it's not hurting anybody." Yet you are trying to prevent bawble from expressing his opinion? He has some strong held opinions yes, but I don't see anything in that chat log that constitutes a severe breach in UTP. He's not hurting anyone by saying those things, and if he is, it can 100% be solved by using the ignore list. Also, to Sentra, someone asked what his crafting level was. Don't you see it there? Now all I have is this particular screenshot to go on, as I'm not in CC that often (or at all in the past few months), but I am inclined to believe that he often behaves worse than that, since so many other people I trust are supporting (everyone in here except Riblet, who I hate). But if indeed this is what all his conversations are like, then I don't support his blocking as this is about the mildest breech in UTP as ever there was. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 18:35, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with him showing his opinion, it's the way he does it that annoys everyone. He states his opinion on matters, then claims that it's far better than anyone else's, and anything else is a waste of time - I'm reminded slightly of the Aaroncampf scenario, albeit in a different place (this in the CC, the other on-wiki). I can't give any chat logs, as I forgot to screenshot anything I saw (plus GE spam deleted most of the clan chat), but I assure you, he broke at least 3 policies, as seen below. He also completely ignored me when I asked him to read RS:AEAE, after he said Halo wasn't allowed to know a high-level Dungeoneering world because he wasn't high-levelled enough. He disregards policies, and that should not be allowed, on- or off-site. Real Mad 20:17, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
Yes having an opinion is fine but what the way he does it is completely wrong and just rude. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 07:23, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
Tbh if he's a member of a high level dungeoneering clan such as 3BO, he's probably required not to give away information about their dungeoneering world. I think he also said that Halo wouldn't be allowed to join any of the parties there anyway, which is probably true. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 19:54, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Support-*Quote*I have never seen him contribute positively to a conversation. Riblet15 07:30, December 28, 2010 (UTC)*Unguote* I agree with this.--Quest point cape.png Yt'Haar-Mej-Joelthefrog1 Prayer cape (t).png 16:20, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support- He seems to purposly come into the clan chat just to troll and acts like he wants to be kicked. --Baby raccoon (grey) chathead.png Hellow533 Hiscores Woodcutting cape (t).png 16:24, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - What I like to call a semi troll. Nothing major but constant showing off and subtle insults. He must be punished.   Swizz Talk   Events!   16:28, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Needs to stop being a stuck up asshole about himself, enjoy the game more, and respect people for not being elitists. If we clearly don't want him in the channel, then he has problems he can only deal with. --Lashazior 16:31, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - In case anyone wants reasons beyond "He's an idiot", here's a list of policies he violated last night:

  • RS:AEAE (or whatever it's called now) - Refusing to give Halo information because he's a "low level Dungeoneer"
  • RS:GTS - Telling Gaz to read the CC rules after he said Bawble was "Being a ****** about [trolling]"
  • RS:UTP - Repeatedly saying people are wrong, and not letting people have their own opinions

(I always wanted to do one of those!) Real Mad 17:42, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget the where its very borderline on breaking any rules, but he's riling up the CC - UCS appropriate for kick. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 18:33, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support per Real.

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17:48, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I've seen him do bad stuff in the Wikia CC, and Real makes a good reason for it. Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 20:53, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - If none of the above reasons are enough, I assure you the last image posted in Forum:Unjust kicking! is photoshopped or edited in some manner. I have never pmed or added him in any circumstances, and although this is difficult to prove, until he starts doing it to the rest of you. If we don't get rid of him now, this is only going to get others in trouble. He's here to stir shit up. melonWatermelon slice.png 21:48, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

In comment to this message, I saved that image and magnified it 2400 times. Here is the result:

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I'm not arguing either way, but the shades of green in the background are inconsistent with the rest of the background, and it looks to me, personally, like a short phrase was edited out and a new one put in over its place. Here is a screencap of the next part of the sentence, showing where it looks like a ")" ended the edited out part, and the texture returns to normal:

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Not voting either way, just thought I'd share my findings. I ask anyone who sees this to please, save the image yourself and zoom in for your own selves, as it's just an inconsistency I saw, but not necessarily correct in my assumption.

Alternatively, if people have issues with him, your ignore list is a wonderful place to start. Any comment of "I don't want to waste the slot on him" or any other excuse is quite honestly invalid. Swallow your pride and just ignore him if it means that much to you. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 16:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

So you're saying that the "stay out of the cc" part might be fake, but the "dumb black kid" part isn't? Can we possibly compare this with the green background of a test pm to see if there are always variations in color due to the fact that if the ground was all the same shade of green it would look unnatural? Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 16:39, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
If you look at the image, Bawble seemed to have it on the lowest detail settings. Those inconsistencies do not fit into the texture, and obviously on low detail settings you aren't going to have much detail and coloring to make it look natural like apparently there was in his image. These pixels that don't fit in with the surrounding green areas where the text is are very suspicious and I believe the image has been tampered with. Bawble seems to have filled in the text from another person that he used to make it look like Melon sent a message to him with different shades of green he thought would fit well in the area, but obviously he did not do a good enough job. I could be wrong, but I am very sure about this. Mining cape.png The Last Pun Talk Aberrant Spectre Champion.png 17:34, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
I was actually stating that the entire phrase appeared to be added in, but the first part could possibly be a comment sent by someone else to get a blue message appear second in line next to the login message, and was erased to shop this phrase in. Either way, I'm no expert in this field. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 16:44, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

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Support - Borderlining multiple policies is in itself breaking GTS. Per all. 222 talk 05:55, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - Bawble adds nothing productive to clan chat. He only hurts it. HaloTalk 22:42, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- So I just got back from the Gym, and I go in the cc and of course, as soon as I enter everyone makes rude comments, corrects my grammar mistakes, calls me a liar about going to the gym, etc. And of course, I get kicked about 5 minutes later for some reason.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9139/101230051813.png

What did I do wrong this time? I was simply reccomending saradomin brews instead of rocktail, because the quest he is doing is fairly difficult, and does take quite a bit of food. If I got kicked for saying 'son' at the end of my sentence, that is just how I talk, and no one has had a problem in the cc for it before. I'm tired of people starting arguments with me for no reason, just because they don't like the fact that I'm in the cc. Also, about me not giving the dungeoneering world to Halo, it was because the world is STRICTLY for high levels (100+ dungeoneering), I used to be ranked in the worlds cc (before I quit dungeoneering), and they told us not to give out the world to 2 binders (people with under 100 dungeoneering). Am I supposed to completely disregard that and give it to someone with 87 Dungeoneering like Halo? I don't think so. I was then told that I was required to give it to halo, because of the AEAE policy, and Halo said he wasn't even going to dungeoneer, he just wanted to know the world for reference, but I knew this was a lie because I looked at his adventure's log and he was dungeoneering, and of course, later that day, Halo was in the 100+ world, probably trying to get a team and getting denied due to his lack of 3 binds. In the end, I was just trying to help him not waste time in that world, because it is difficult to get on teams without having 100+. Sincerely, Bawble 71.132.217.134 13:44, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Actually Bawb, anyone who told you that our AEAE policy applies to that situation is wrong. Correct them or ignore them. We would be wrong to ban a wikian from a wiki event, we have zero say in what other clans do, and most of us know it.--Degenret01 16:31, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
Inside the Wiki CC, you follow the CC rules. He didn't mention anything about being ranked in that CC, or about this agreement that the world has to be kept secret. if he had, then I'm sure nobody would be mentioning this...but he didn't, so here we are. Real Mad 21:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
Real, go read AEAE. Your misusing it. This is most definitely a case where AEAE does NOT apply.--Degenret01 03:00, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
He refused to give Halo information because on his in-game experience. I'm guessing that if Halo had 120 Dungeoneering, Bawb would have happily given him the world number. I know I've gone wrong with AEAE before, but this time, it was a small discussion, so AEAE DOES apply. Real Mad 09:40, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
No it doesn't. AEAE says that you can't say "You have level <100 Dungeoneering, therefore, your argument is invalid." Bawble's CC has a policy of not giving out the world they use to those under 100 dunge, which is somewhat reasonable, given the circumstances. Nowhere does AEAE say that a member of an organization must give away that organization's secret information because anything less would be unfairly discriminatory (which it's not). That would be ridiculous. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:33, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
An editor's status, popularity, or in-game experience does not affect how they are treated and how their opinion is "weighed" in a discussion.
RS:AEAE
AEAE applies to stuff like this in addition to discussions. Real Mad 21:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
That's not what it means by "how they are treated". This isn't relevant to this thread, so if you'd like to continue, my talk page would be preferable. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:13, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Woah. Just saw this, why the hell was he kicked here 0_o If anything, I was the one talking in a derogatory manner "Seriously? Rocktails?". To anyone watching it could easily be taken as me laughing at zombie and then telling him what to take. Bawble just made a different recommendation... (>_> I wasn't actually, just surprised at his large budget for that quest..)- [Pharos] iPhone Edit 22:05, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Evidence Original video --Lashazior 15:47, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

What cc rule/policy violations is this evidence of? He states his opinion that mining stars is a waste of time because granite is faster, someone says that stars are better because they can be afk'ed, he points out that afk'ing is against the RS rules, and he gets kicked. The worst thing he did was say "please go read the rules child," using the word "child" as a personal attack (which I stated my opposition to early in the video), and even that came after civility was abandoned multiple times by others (i.e., 'we do things for fun, not xp, until you get that through your very thick skull, everyone will continue to hate you.'). Is the biggest complaint about him really that he doesn't play RS the same way as some others? Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 16:34, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
It's not WHAT he said, it's HOW he said it. I see that comment as quite sarcastic - Bawble, before you comment, read on - and a rank must have seen it the same way. (I'm doing a bit of guesswork here, if the kicker comes forward, that'll help!) Knowing how heated arguments involving Bawble tend to get, I'd say that said rank kicked to try and avoid a flame war. If he had said, "Why not use sara brews" instead, or something like that, instead of being sarcastic, then all would be well. Real Mad 21:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
You're reading bad intentions into what he said because you expect bad behavior from him. He literally got kicked for saying "It's called sara brews son." Sarcasm does not translate into text, and that's not even a sarcastic suggestion considering sara brews are a legitimate healing method to use, and he appeared to be genuinely recommended them. If he had said something like "you should use shrimp" then you could call it sarcasm. It's an unjust kick, whether people want to admit it or not. The ranks in the cc at the time were myself, Swizz, Powers, Karlis, and MerryXmas 2u, I believe. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 01:49, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, perhaps sarcastic was the wrong word, I meant patronising. Given Bawble's past record, it is quite difficult to follow RS:AGF. He phrased it badly, perhaps it was an honest mistake, but someone read it as getting close to an insult. Real Mad 09:46, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- Well, first of all, I've never even seen this 'Omid' player before, why are you calling him my friend? Just because he's 109 dungeoneering doesn't mean we know eachother. All high levels aren't friends. And what exactly is this video evidence of? Me getting wrongly kicked? Thanks. In the video, you guys say that AFK training is not against the rules, and after I said it was, I was kicked, what was that for? I'll bring up this quotation from the RuneScape rules

"AFK training is Away From Keyboard training. While you are playing on our games, you must be at the computer. Away-from-keyboard training is not allowed, and you should log out when you leave the computer."

Basically stated that in the cc in different wording, what was I kicked for? Love, Bawble 71.132.217.134 16:40, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Umm...You both said pretty much exactly the same thing   Swizz Talk   Events!   20:26, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
Bawb said that granite was faster xp than stars. However, he said it after Degen had invited the CC to come and join him, then said that "Wiki fun = huge xp waste". He doesn't appear to realise that XP is not all people care about - and given that the word "fun" was included in this conversation, it should be fairly obvious that Degen invited people so that they could have fun. He NEVER mentioned training using stars (I think). Real Mad 21:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support. Constant trolling and insulting in the CC must stop. Today someone said he's been working on a clue for a while, and bawble said "I hope you get 45 guthix arrows." I dont have a screenie, but maybe someone else does. --l00k s0m3 fr33 st00f!! (@)ʇɐuʇɐu(@)(@)(@) m0r3 fr33 st00f! 20:33, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


Evidence Oh you mean this screenie?

http://i52.tinypic.com/116rwg5.jpg


Yes hard to see but still readable, this screenie is made from the top and bottom of two others, I can post said two if need be. WgvxeSr.png - frouZAC.png 21:11, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
Reupploaded picture, same content. WgvxeSr.png - frouZAC.png 21:17, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support - This Bawble is yet another unpleasant character I have seen recently. The wiki obviously suffers too much conflict, and a high level is no excuse to troll. Judging by the evidence, and what I have seen ingame, I agree with the ban. Then, maybe we can play in peace. Rune battleaxe.png RangedwhipRune battleaxe.png 21:59, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Constant sarcasm intended to disrupt members along with faking user comments. Bad. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 09:48, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Support - i yelled at bawble, and probably deserved to be kicked for it, but i could not control my anger. he just made me so angry, that i think he deserves some time out. He's the most elitist person that's ever been in this chat.--Scimitar77 17:17, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - Seeing what others are saying and showing everyone else has helped me realize that he is nothing, but a patronizing troll. Ban him. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 20:56, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Sorry to be a jerk here, but y'all need to assume good faith. Whoever keeps on kicking his *** needs to be de-ranked. --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 01:53, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

I think they've assumed good faith for as long as they can. Have you read the logs? ʞooɔ 01:56, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but seriously, I try to apply AGF in real life. So erm... I think I know this Bawble's personality. I think I've been this guy before (act like him). I really don't want him to be the one who must suffer the consequences. I am the most sympathetic editor here, I should say. --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 01:59, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
What? So we've been joking all along? No, I don't think so, we've given him chances a few too many times, since he continues, times up. 222 talk 02:09, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to be stubborn no matter what Lol --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 02:15, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Basically, he's being labeled as a troll and kicked simply for having a different approach to playing RS and sharing his point of view. While I will grant that he is sometimes abusive in his delivery, the supposed 'victims' of his trolling are equally abusive in return and I've witnessed several instances of other cc users starting to flame him and provoke him when he's just sitting in the cc not saying anything. His behavior has been no worse than dozens of other cc members and he's the only one being singled out for a ban. To quote a friend, "If you would just listen to Bawble and come up with realistic critiques of what he was saying you would realize that taken with a grain of salt he is trying to help you." Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 02:23, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

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Neutral - I hate CC drama and usually I like it to be resolved quickly. But I honestly haven't seen much in terms of blockable/bannable things by Bawble, yes, he can be a dick, but that's not a reason to ban him for a long period from the clan chat. ʞooɔ 02:29, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

The fact that he adds nothing positive to the clan chat and continues to break policies after being repeatedly warned/kicked is though. HaloTalk 04:48, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
Adding nothing positive does not warrant a ban. And to be honest he hasn't done much in terms of breaking policies. The idea that he went against AEAE by not giving you information is absurd. He is an ass, but he is not openly flaming or trolling. I really don't care one bit what happens here, but I don't want us to crucify someone just because we don't like them. ʞooɔ 07:38, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
Support - I don't know why I tried to defend you. ʞooɔ 00:43, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm not going to take a definitive stance yet. However, after reading the screenshots of the conversations taking place and the alleged charges, I must agree with Gareth. The instances where he broke policy were quite borderline. However, I also agree that the cumulative effect of the offenses is sufficient to warrant some kind of action. That being said, I'm not quite sure that a ban is the best course of action to take. I'll come back later with a more defined opinion. --LiquidTalk 17:17, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I was writing something, but it came out almost exactly like the beginning of Gangsterls's comment, so I will oppose per him/her. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:29, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Nevermind. I came into the CC today, where I realized that he's worse than I originally estimated. Listing these reasons would be repetitive, given the length of this thread. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:22, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Bawble apparently brought in one of his "friends" to harass us. If the following image does not prove that both Ace PvM and Bawble are both trolls (or multilogging), I don't know what fucking is.

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9247/bawblefriendtroll.png

This is unacceptable, and as of the time I post this, a few other accounts have come in and bragged about their stats...AND mentioned Bawble. None of them were kicked, to my knowledge, and Ace PvM DESERVES one right now. When can it be REAL wiki business tiem? 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 02:41, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

When I saw that in the chat, I about lost it. That is the worst thing I've seen said in the chat for a long time.--Scimitar77 02:45, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

No doubt that what Ace said was unacceptable. Not unlike how many similar things said to Bawble have been unacceptable. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 03:05, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Are you actually equating "Delibird, go kill yourself. Your a waste of space." with what's been said to Bawble? (wszx) 03:47, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
"Everybody hates you," "You're a loser," "You are unwelcome in our community," etc. There's been stronger stuff said but it's so commonplace now that I tune it out. Or how about, to one of Bawble's defenders on YouTube: "Hey fag bag. Tits or GTFO," "stupid fucktard," and "get your tramp ass off my YouTube channel." Yes, it's similar. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 12:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment- Well, "Delibirdwing", I've never even talked to this "Ace PvM" guy before, and I'm sorry that he hurt your feelings, but I've never seen him before.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/555/110101185905.png

If that's not proof, I don't know what is.

Sorry, not buying it. Ace came in and said "Hi, Bawble, who are these nerds? ^_^". Clearly, he knows YOU. >_> 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 03:12, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
There is definitely some connection. He told everyone to listen to you, and seems to know you well. Why would some random guy do that? ɳex undique 03:06, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, because the cc is like a flock of sheep (hello, Mookies and qwertys) and I wouldn't be surprised if people just started doing that because everyone else did. Lega started to play along when a bunch of people were saying they were Bawble, but I don't have screenshots of that. Others saw though. Christine 03:09, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Bawble, it looks like you were fighting something high-leveled, judging by your pack yak and depleted lifepoints and prayer points. Tormented demons, perhaps?  Tien  03:28, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
He's doing frost dragons. All he ever does is cut ivy or kill frost dragons. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 12:02, January 2, 2011 (UTC)


Ban He isn't here to help or be positive in any wya at all, not with a grain of salt, not with a planetload of salt. He is here to mock and criticize anyone doing anything that he does not do. Period. Then he intentionally brings friends in to spam. I withdraw all of my opposition to this trolls banning.--Degenret01 03:12, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - ^Per that. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 03:15, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per above. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 03:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Pfffft- I never brought friends in the cc to spam, you can't say they are my friends just because they're saying my name and spamming quick chat, let's be honest, the cc is talking about me 99% of the time, talking about how I'm a liar, or how I've been playing more than 2 hours today, or saying that I trained my skills wrong, etc. Also, to the person who asked if I was doing TD's.. do you even read what I've been saying in the cc? Bosses are a waste of time, we all know this. Sincerely, Bawble 71.132.193.30 18:02, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Bullshit. I can TELL that you're lying. Why else would Ace PvM KNOW that you think your way is better (and thus refer to all of us wikians as "nerds") if you've never met him? This is utter bullshit, so I suggest you stop playing dumb. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 23:38, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Comment- Hey, kid, first of all, watch the language. Second, I'm pretty sure we're posting in an entire thread about my behaviour, and how I "think my way is better" (even though it actually is), did you ever think that this Ace PvM guy maybe just read this thread and entered the cc just to cause issues? So please, stop with your theories, I've never met this guy before, don't blame what he's doing on me, we aren't connected in any way (other than him agreeing with my methods of training being better than yours, obviously) Sincerely, Bawble 71.132.193.30 00:45, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
You need to stop just saying that parts of the game that many people enjoy, are a waste of time purely because you don't like them. As far as I know, nobody's said you train your skills wrong, they just prefer a different method. I know you're trying to help people when you tell people not to bother with things, but just try to be a little nicer, 'kay? Some people enjoy bosses/slower training/blah; everyone does this game differently, and for different reasons. Real Mad 18:08, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Purely because I don't like them? Nah, bosses are a waste of time because it's not consistent money, and averages out to terrible gp per hour over time. And yes, people harrass me all the time about my stats and how I train, clearly you're not in the cc a lot. Love, Bawble 71.132.193.30 20:03, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
Your opinion is not the only one that matters. I'm going to read that as an attempt to help, but gp/hour and xp/hour isn't all this game is about - people want to have fun too. I don't have a problem with people trying to help, but when people start stating their opinions like facts, and backing it up with reasons like "the gp/h is terrible", that's when people get annoyed. Real Mad 21:30, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - To summarize nearly everything he's ever said in our CC; "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!" By the way, how long until we can have someone determine consensus, take action, and close this thread already? melonWatermelon slice.png 20:33, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well, per policy, the earliest that I can do it is this Tuesday. But, on a ban someone thread like this one, I wouldn't be comfortable closing it until I am confident that the discussion has reached closure and that a sound consensus can be found. If the discussion is still ongoing as of Tuesday, I certainly will not close it then. --LiquidTalk 00:16, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
Discussion may be continuing but it has already reached the point of arguing in circles. Another day or two to be sure, but after a couple days of nothing new and same old same old it is acceptable to close.--Degenret01 01:24, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
Yup, a couple more days of getting kicked for no reason.
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Kicked for quick chatting my combat level. Cute.
Bawble 71.132.193.30 01:45, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
Who knows what else you may have said before that that could be too high up in chat to display or edited out? I think we've established that nobody trusts your screenshots anymore so why bother? melonWatermelon slice.png 17:05, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
Whenever someone talks about a level they gained and they're happy about it, you quickchat your level, as if showing off your e-peen. Seriously, grow up. If you're kicked a lot, why do you keep showing up? THERE IS NO REASON. --Lashazior 18:13, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
Quick chatting isn't against the rules, I'm allowed to quickchat if I want too. Also, when did we establish that nobody trusts my screenshots? Obviously you're just angry that I exposed you being racist, and if I said something before that could be too high up in chat, why would I be getting kicked 50+ lines later for it? Look at the scroll bar, there isn't much content that could be scrolled up too. Unjust kick. Love, Bawble 71.132.193.30 18:37, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
You're correct in saying it isn't against the rules however it's extremely annoying. EVERY TIME someone states one of their levels, you have you quick chat your (if it is higher) and then gloat. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who's noticed this.   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:42, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
Oh hey, what was the reason for this kick?
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2610/110103173453.png
Obviously the only thing I said was that my range level was 99. And if you are "extremely annoyed" by my quick chat, you should probably add me to your ignore list as jagex suggests (in quickchat, may I remind you)
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Love, Bawble 71.132.193.30 01:48, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
Once again, as you always do, you QC'd your own level right after someone had levelled up, and was pleased about it. You wouldn't like people telling you that you're a low-level compared to them, similarly, I don't think you understand that people can get quite upset when someone's response to them levelling is basically "Haha, I'm a higher level than you. GF nub". Real Mad 19:48, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - The general consensus is to ban Bawble. Dtm142 22:43, January 4, 2011 (UTC)